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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 176. (Read 3314316 times)

legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
February 08, 2019, 09:42:02 AM
All miners are legitimate miners, what do you think they are buying if they really built this new tech?



And if 75% of the total hash rate is controlled by bad actors, then I'm pretty sure an emergency hard fork to brick those ASIC's is in order...?  I mean the devs already did it once.  I can't see how it can't be done again.

And how do we tell they're bad actors? According to bitcoin logic you can't tell who is using a mining pool, so shouldn't worry about it. Still trying to understand how anyone thinks, "China has some of the cheapest electricity on earth, China has some of the cheapest electronics on earth, mining pools located in China control much of the hash, but we can't assume it's Chinese miners." It's like some people don't know how economies of scale work.
legendary
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Life, Love and Laughter...
February 08, 2019, 09:18:09 AM
All miners are legitimate miners, what do you think they are buying if they really built this new tech?



And if 75% of the total hash rate is controlled by bad actors, then I'm pretty sure an emergency hard fork to brick those ASIC's is in order...?  I mean the devs already did it once.  I can't see how it can't be done again.
legendary
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Free spirit
February 08, 2019, 04:16:21 AM
and the second that is revealed all their coins would immediately drop to worthless

Doesn't make sense to me if the truth is that they spent a lot developing a specialist hardware in an incredible short time?



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February 08, 2019, 03:11:57 AM
You don't see any negative impact over a single miner controlling 75% of the network? They could attack the chain at any time until the hard fork (2 months away) with ease.
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February 08, 2019, 02:51:19 AM
I don't know, why you guys panic. Low prices + hash rate goes up = high prices in the near future
 Wink Cheesy
I also do not understand this reaction. Now we need to buy more cryptocurrency assets, especially Monero.
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February 07, 2019, 11:23:46 PM
I don't know, why you guys panic. Low prices + hash rate goes up = high prices in the near future
 Wink Cheesy
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February 07, 2019, 07:32:59 AM
XMR and other large coins have lost too much value. Now a new story can be written. One possibility is that bitcoin could go down to $ 2400. And now the rise will begin.
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February 07, 2019, 06:57:21 AM
I meant "legitimate miners" to mean CPU/GPU miners using publicly available software and commodity hardware. It excludes FPGA and ASIC miners.
legendary
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Free spirit
February 07, 2019, 06:42:41 AM
All miners are legitimate miners, what do you think they are buying if they really built this new tech?

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February 07, 2019, 05:47:07 AM
I heard a rumor a few weeks back (Jan 19th) regarding ASICs on the network - supposedly there was a batch of 5000 miners manufactured for a private Chinese farm that went online just recently. It seems to be pretty feasible after comparing against some analytics done on the nonce ranges of historic blocks:

https://github.com/noncesense-research-lab/nonce_distribution/blob/master/nonce_distribution.ipynb

Conveniently enough, this analysis concludes the miners came online around Jan 9th. Some chit-chat from IRC matches up as well:

Quote
<@solar> i got some confirmation about asics too
<@solar> there's at least 1 group with cnv2 asics, 65nm
<@solar> supposedly a batch of 5000

So after a thorough analysis of the winning nonces for blocks 1760000-1765000 I can say this about ASICs that are on the network now:
320 cores (10 chips x 32 cores?)
each core processes nonces with 2^22 step - from 0 to ~1.34e9
Single core speed is 400 h/s - calculated from the area of spikes (which come with 2^22 step) on winning nonce graph
Overall ASIC device speed = 128 kh/s (400*320)
Around 4000-4500 ASICs online now

M5M400 they do mine on public pools: f2pool, viabtc, poolin - they all submit blocks with winning nonces strictly in ASIC nonce ranges
all 3 are Chinese pools ironically
so we can just count them in "unknown hashrate" part
which leaves only 230 MH/s known
and 641 MH/s = almost exactly 5000 * 128 kh/s solar

At the time of this post, network hashrate is 850 MH/s (640 MH/s being 75% unknown), putting us squarely in the danger zone for network-level attacks. This is also a major drain on public pools - with only 230MH/s of "legitimate" miners popular pools are operating at a significant loss, having only 60-70 MH/s on average (e.g. SupportXMR at 0.6% is just below $1300/mo, while their server expenses are approximately $5000/mo). With the next hard fork still a few months out this is a completely unsustainable scenario and will eventually lead to the closure and consolidation of the public pools, not to mention a mass exodus of "legitimate" miners.
legendary
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Free spirit
February 07, 2019, 03:50:55 AM
He so smug he has some secret plan like patenting bitcoin or some crap.

Anyway Im a long time all in Monero

(except for a bit of BTC from my bro MicG)

legendary
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February 06, 2019, 04:57:35 PM
I have been thinking to, at some point, grab some SV.

Not for any fundamental reasons, more as a hedge against CSW screwing everything up for everyone.   :/  

In the case David Klieman was SN and Craig talked a humongous wallet.dat file out of DK's wife?  And he will dump BTC into the sewer and then buy up so much BSV it goes to 10k?
legendary
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Free spirit
February 06, 2019, 03:57:30 PM
I have been thinking to, at some point, grab some SV.

Not for any fundamental reasons, more as a hedge against CSW screwing everything up for everyone.   :/  
legendary
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Monero Core Team
February 06, 2019, 03:28:42 PM
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I still have some as a hedge, though I was seriously considering dumping them but couldn't pull the trigger back then. I remember when saddam did a similar thing too. So what are your thoughts, will bitcoin get taken over by another coin (monero, bcash?, etc), or the thinking is monero will out preform bitcoin from here on out?

I consider Monero to pose a very serious long term threat to Bitcoin's dominance. This is because of the combination of the adaptive block weight with fungibility. Unlike Ethereum, which nearly dethroned BItcoin in 2017 - 2018 https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/#dominance-percentage, Monero does what Bitcoin was originally designed to do; namely be a cash like digital transactional currency. All it takes is a move in XMR / BTC such as what occurred in 2016 and Bitcoin's dominance is under threat, since the market will be comparing Monero directly with Bitcoin on a technical level. As for Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV these coins cannot compete with Monero on long term scaling let alone on fungibility.

Edit: I would watch out if Monero overtakes either Bitcoin Cash and / or Bitcoin SV in market cap. That could be very interesting. Furthermore there is no need for Monero to break the high of 0.03558 BTC in order to do that.
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February 06, 2019, 01:37:03 PM
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In any case I hate to say I told you so, but I sold all my Bitcoin for Monero over this issue with the bulk of the sales completed well over 3 years ago.


I still have some as a hedge, though I was seriously considering dumping them but couldn't pull the trigger back then. I remember when saddam did a similar thing too. So what are your thoughts, will bitcoin get taken over by another coin (monero, bcash?, etc), or the thinking is monero will out preform bitcoin from here on out?
legendary
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Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
February 06, 2019, 01:03:03 PM
Just want to point out we have seen ANOTHER one of those:

BTC dump
XMR action
BSV pump

trios again.

The XMR part is kind of subtle this time, as what I am seeing is a broad alt selloff while XMR is flat to positive.  Aside from Binance coin (and faketoshis spreadsheetcoin) XMR is the only coin holding up.

I't probably some sort of bias on my part, but I often feel like XMR bucks the trends of other alts.

BTW, what the heck is going on with BTC.  Some interesting stuff...  lots of splashing around.
legendary
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Life, Love and Laughter...
February 06, 2019, 08:29:08 AM
^  Nope, its not.  It's actually the best time to start watching it very closely again imho.  Momentum usually starts slowly, without any 'news' or any crap that everybody usually waits for before going in.
legendary
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Free spirit
February 06, 2019, 07:01:32 AM
Been sideways so long I had to change scales, scrolling out on the hourlies you cant see anything but a narrow range.

For quite a while, I don't agree its "bombing like all altcoins!" as spouted in other forum regions.

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www.daxico.com
February 06, 2019, 06:59:07 AM
Majority of crypto traders, enthusiasts, HODLers don't really expected how the cryptoworld has collapsed in relation to Bitcoin's market cap and price movement. I myself didn't even expect that Bitcoin will reach an all time low at 3,000$ plus dragging almost all of the cryptos down too. Monero (XMR) is not exempted on that trip as it also fluctuate so bad. But I do believe there's a better time for cryptoworld to come so what's more important for me now is HODLing still with my digital assets in tact.
legendary
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Free spirit
February 06, 2019, 05:13:35 AM
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