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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 1974. (Read 3314330 times)

legendary
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April 02, 2015, 10:36:34 AM
Once Monero has a GUI, I doubt I will ever use Bitcoin again. Monero will be superior in every possible way.

lol you can buy what, exactly, with monero?

Bitcoins, as an appcoin for xmr.to.


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I doubt I will ever use Bitcoin again

He's not, the merchant and xmr.to are.



He/she most certainly is as he/she is employing a Bitcoin service paid in XMR, to access merchants denominating in Bitcoin and not Monero.
hero member
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Merit: 500
April 02, 2015, 10:33:31 AM
Once Monero has a GUI, I doubt I will ever use Bitcoin again. Monero will be superior in every possible way. (Except maybe user base and market cap at first, but that can be resolved  Wink)

Everytime I read that "monero no gui blabla" rhetoric, it makes me MAAAAAAAAAAAAD

So Monero has a GUI. Even several GUIs. Here's one of them:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-monerox-a-cross-platform-graphical-account-manager-for-monero-683365

The dev has been interviewed in the last missive.

And if you tell me blabla no official gui, do you even use bitcoin official gui?

Yes, I do. Except for mobile devices. I will do the same for Monero.
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
April 02, 2015, 10:33:03 AM
Once Monero has a GUI, I doubt I will ever use Bitcoin again. Monero will be superior in every possible way.

lol you can buy what, exactly, with monero?

Bitcoins, as an appcoin for xmr.to.


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I doubt I will ever use Bitcoin again

He's not, the merchant and xmr.to are.

legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1019
April 02, 2015, 10:32:13 AM
Once Monero has a GUI, I doubt I will ever use Bitcoin again. Monero will be superior in every possible way.

lol you can buy what, exactly, with monero?

Bitcoins, as an appcoin for xmr.to.

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I doubt I will ever use Bitcoin again
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
April 02, 2015, 10:31:06 AM
Once Monero has a GUI, I doubt I will ever use Bitcoin again. Monero will be superior in every possible way.

lol you can buy what, exactly, with monero?

Bitcoins, as an appcoin for xmr.to. At least until the merchants realize they are wasting money on conversion fees to convert their appcoin back to Monero.
legendary
Activity: 3766
Merit: 5146
Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
April 02, 2015, 10:30:15 AM
Grr, I just have to pause to say I look forward to this very CHILDISH avatar joke to be over.  Makes us look like idiots in my opinion.
hero member
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April 02, 2015, 10:29:13 AM
Once Monero has a GUI, I doubt I will ever use Bitcoin again. Monero will be superior in every possible way. (Except maybe user base and market cap at first, but that can be resolved  Wink)

Everytime I read that "monero no gui blabla" rhetoric, it makes me MAAAAAAAAAAAAD

So Monero has a GUI. Even several GUIs. Here's one of them:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-monerox-a-cross-platform-graphical-account-manager-for-monero-683365

The dev has been interviewed in the last missive.

And if you tell me blabla no official gui, do you even use bitcoin official gui?
legendary
Activity: 3766
Merit: 5146
Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!
April 02, 2015, 10:28:44 AM
Once Monero has a GUI, I doubt I will ever use Bitcoin again. Monero will be superior in every possible way.

lol you can buy what, exactly, with monero?

This is an important point.  There CAN be an answer though...  Will we see one?
hero member
Activity: 826
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April 02, 2015, 10:28:20 AM
Once Monero has a GUI, I doubt I will ever use Bitcoin again. Monero will be superior in every possible way.

To buy what lol
Anything that I would have otherwise used Bitcoin for? I guess that depends on the state of the cryptocurrency economy.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1019
April 02, 2015, 10:26:03 AM
Once Monero has a GUI, I doubt I will ever use Bitcoin again. Monero will be superior in every possible way.

lol you can buy what, exactly, with monero?
hero member
Activity: 644
Merit: 504
Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
April 02, 2015, 10:25:35 AM
Well I can only hope that you are both right cause I can afford much more XMR than BTC Cheesy

hero member
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April 02, 2015, 10:25:22 AM
Once Monero has a GUI, I doubt I will ever use Bitcoin again. Monero will be superior in every possible way. (Except maybe user base and market cap at first, but that can be resolved  Wink)
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1019
April 02, 2015, 10:24:05 AM
Where I live at least, some have gone from "laugh" to "fight" already, and that is intensifying. Bets hedged, waiting if the next stage comes  Grin

Laugh, fight, win—life Smiley
donator
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1036
April 02, 2015, 10:12:25 AM
Where I live at least, some have gone from "laugh" to "fight" already, and that is intensifying. Bets hedged, waiting if the next stage comes  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1030
Sine secretum non libertas
April 02, 2015, 09:02:07 AM
There's no way you can suggest Monero will replace Bitcoin in public and not get laughed out the room.

You can't stop the signal.  Laugh all you like.  I will laugh all the way to global domination.

Monero replaced bitcoin already for perhaps a quarter of those crypto speculators with whom I interact (a self-selected but very leading group).  The cutting edge of the high-linear-risk, higher-exponential-reward speculators always recognize very quickly that risk/reward asymmetry overwhelmingly favors Monero over Bitcoin.  Once they understand the competitve landscape, the differentiation from other "altcoins", they act decisively.  Their followers are legion, and will do what they always do:  Follow.

Perhaps a buying pause for a little while now.  I dunno.  But the major gains are still ahead.  Trying to front run the dips for a cheaper buy back is exceedingly difficult in XMR.  I will not even try.  Just drip buying here.

In general:  Now is a good time to buy BTC while it is still cheap, to buy all the more XMR if it corrects a bit.  My approach is "be right and sit tight".






donator
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1036
April 02, 2015, 08:03:34 AM
Despite the current difference in market caps, all it takes for Bitcoin to be dethroned, is a small difference in the perceived legitimacy of the current and future distribution, in favor of Othercoin.

Monero has 2/3 of the coins not mined +  perpetual emission, and these might well be considered preferable from the new money pov.

To get to a level playing field, is still very far, though, due to Bitcoin's 5-year headstart and 10,000-fold brand awareness.

If the relative exchange rate continues to narrow, it is at least a sign that Monero is relatively going to the right direction even if the absolute numbers still favor Bitcoin 1,000:1.
legendary
Activity: 1834
Merit: 1019
April 02, 2015, 07:57:26 AM
It is certainly possible that a reason why Bitcoin might fall is the same reason Monero becomes "successful".
hero member
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April 02, 2015, 07:56:10 AM
regarding bitcoin as technology will be dethroned:

Glad to see some senior bitcoin holders kindle interesting and substantive discussions on altcoins. Especially thanks to rpietila and Peter R for their insights.

Regarding the The Alt-coin Narrative Cycle, which by the way was a very interesting read, I was wondering, since you disagree bitcoin is a technology which can be de-throned by better technology, on what do you base you belief and what do you think bitcoin is?

Because I don't believe bitcoin is a technology.  Bitcoin contains technology but the $7.3 billion market cap is not a measure of that.  Bitcoin is money, and money is memory.  Money represents a shared agreement between the individuals who voluntarily use it.  Our shared agreement is that spots on The Blockchain represent value and one transfers his value by signing a message with his private key (e.g., in exchange for goods or services). 

Forget about bitcoin the protocol, and even bitcoin the payment network (nodes + miners), and focus on bitcoin as a shared agreement that the distribution of wealth encoded by the blockchain is efficient and legitimate.  If it wasn't efficient, large holders would sell, and small holders would buy.  If it wasn't legitimate, people wouldn't be willing to trade their time in exchange for bitcoins, and bitcoin would have collapsed. 

So the value of money (e.g., bitcoin) primarily comes from the legitimacy of its ledger.  The legitimacy of this ledger increases as more people adopt this form of money, and as time proves that it's not a passing fad. 

Viewed through this lens, it becomes clear that even a superior technology (although I question if one exists) would unlikely de-throne bitcoin the ledger, for the new technology would simple be adopted by the ledger as the new payment system. 

In my mind, the only thing that could dethrone bitcoin would be a more legitimate ledger.  But I don't see how it is possible to create one.   

I think it is very hard to argue against this from a logical perspective; anyway even this guy sees monero as the most legitimate system besides bitcoin.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7014866

the first ~20 pages are really worth reading
donator
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1036
April 02, 2015, 07:53:45 AM
The maxim "don't invest more than you can afford to lose" is often understood in a very lacking context, as if anything in this world was not prone to loss in certain circumstances.

Therefore,

- Don't invest in paper instruments (fiat, stocks, bonds) more than you can afford to lose in the situation of a paper collapse (happened many times in history).

- Don't invest in your house more than you can afford to lose in the situation that insurance refuses to cover (happens daily).

- Don't invest in precious metals more than you can afford to lose in the situation of theft or confiscation (both do happen).

- Don't invest in crypto more than you can afford to lose in the situation of any unforeseen event (some cryptos already bit the dust; hacks and scams).

- Don't invest in anything you cannot carry with you across border controls more than you can afford to lose if you need to flee (millions every year).

The list continues.

If you deduce that you don't want to lose more than 90% of your wealth if you are wrongfully put into prison and all your assets confiscated, prepare accordingly.
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
April 02, 2015, 06:34:55 AM
I will add the disclaimer that I am another one of the people that no longer owns any Bitcoin unless they are used to purchase Monero or to use for sports betting because they don't take monero yet. There are some fundamental flaws in Bitcoin that make me think it will not succeed and some that make me not want to use it at all. Biggest is lack of privacy and the other is lack of scalability. If Bitcoin can address those two issues I would jump back in but it seems like there are too many cooks in the kitchen now to come to agreements on major issues. Two years ago I would have aggressively defended Bitcoin to someone saying the things I say now but I am losing faith.

There is another important feature of Monero apart from privacy and fungibility, the tail emission, it will actually start many many years from now, by that time Monero will be older than Bitcoin is now and still have less coins than it, but gone will be the "Smeagol factor", the perpetual inflation is minimal, and even today with current buy support would have a negligible impact in the price, but it turns Monero into a crypto more fit to be used as true electronic cash, while I expect Bitcoin to become an electronic gold.

It depends on how you see gold.
If you consider all the existing gold as a constant, then bitcoin is gold and Monero is not.
On the other hand, if you consider the gold that is on the ground, then Monero's emission looks more like gold since gold is discovered all the time.
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