[XMR] Monero Speculation - page 301.

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Quote from: spirali on April 19, 2018, 02:22:57 PM

There is an interesting article "Amazon Granted Patent For Streaming Data Marketplace With Bitcoin Use Case" at https://cointelegraph.com/news/amazon-granted-patent-for-streaming-data-marketplace-with-bitcoin-use-case :

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“For example, a group of electronic or internet retailers who accept Bitcoin transactions may have a shipping address that may correlate with the Bitcoin address. The electronic retailers may combine the shipping address with the Bitcoin transaction data to create correlated data and republish the combined data as a combined data stream.”

So, non private coins such as BTC will be less and less private as they become more adopted. I wonder what the effect will be on privacy coins. Monero can either become a refuge of privacy or dismissed because it is accepted nowhere as form or payment. What do you think?

XMR.to etc.

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There is an interesting article "Amazon Granted Patent For Streaming Data Marketplace With Bitcoin Use Case" at https://cointelegraph.com/news/amazon-granted-patent-for-streaming-data-marketplace-with-bitcoin-use-case :

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“For example, a group of electronic or internet retailers who accept Bitcoin transactions may have a shipping address that may correlate with the Bitcoin address. The electronic retailers may combine the shipping address with the Bitcoin transaction data to create correlated data and republish the combined data as a combined data stream.”

So, non private coins such as BTC will be less and less private as they become more adopted. I wonder what the effect will be on privacy coins. Monero can either become a refuge of privacy or dismissed because it is accepted nowhere as form or payment. What do you think?

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One thought I did have is that level of covert privacy revealing can become quite extensive when one considers that chains may exist that exist entirely on a lan.

Consider the vast majority of systems running backdoored Intel hardware, non airgapped cpu's and of course non Foss os's that could just be another brick in the dragnet.

Consider that someone may already have your private keys, but never want a single dollar from you in regards to stealing your moneros.

I think this was always advertised as not tla-secure though, but definitely Enterprise level anonymity..

Just speculation..

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Quote from: JuniAiko on April 19, 2018, 05:08:20 AM

I know theres a controversy surrounding the MoneroV fork (i.e. the fork isn't supported by the main Monero team), that is coming in 12 days. But it free coins, so why not. Buying in soon to take a ride on the pre-fork (buy the rumor, sell the news) style pump.. and eject before the predicted dump.

Also tax season in Australia is approaching. Wondering if there will be a pump in Monero again due to that.

NO, GET this STRAIGHT... the chain copy is not supported by ANT Monero supporters period. It is an attack on the integrity of the transaction data so by participating you are weakening the strength of the Monero Fungability and therefore hurting the project. Think of it as chipping at the Armor of the chain, anything can be killed by a thousand cuts, in this case it would probably be a trillion cuts but I think the analogy fits.

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Quote from: JuniAiko on April 19, 2018, 06:44:50 AM

Yeah I agree. But probably not an issue for those who collects their tokens after having first transferred their tokens to a different wallet + if they are not concerned with exposing their transactions details.

Probably best to move coins on Monero chain first before attempting to spend MoneroV. Looks like MoneroV is going to be tradeable at HitBTC ... not exactly an exchange that is on the trusted list ... https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/wiki/avoid

HitBtc is connected with the Bytecoin scammers. and all you have to do is type hitbtc and scam in google and you will see pages of those theifs at work.

THIS is a discussion for the main thread so I will crosspost and you can reply there. Link below

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.35099475

Quote from: generalizethis on April 19, 2018, 04:43:12 AM

My bad. Given the timing, I thought it was just another money grab project--if they are actually contributing to research and not just taking advantage of the ASIC resistance feud, then it may not be as bad as I thought. Though I'm still suspicious of the timing. TBH, I don't follow the Monero reddit as I once had, so this is my main news aggregate. Also, you are still coming on strong in the shill department (saying you are a long time hodler with noob account is equivalent to the car salesmen's "trust me!"--it comes accross as desperate, same goes for listing exchanges and the current price in satoshis).

My thoughts exactly as soon as I read that post. It was shilling period whether they had contributed to or not. the proper way to mention there coin would have been in our main thread without any price speculation. Trying to induce FOMO is not just saying hi.

Comments appreciated:

I have a thought on the Scamcoin MoneroV Chain Grab and Questions
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3352599.new#new

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Quote from: JuniAiko on April 19, 2018, 06:44:50 AM

Yeah I agree. But probably not an issue for those who collects their tokens after having first transferred their tokens to a different wallet + if they are not concerned with exposing their transactions details.

Probably best to move coins on Monero chain first before attempting to spend MoneroV. Looks like MoneroV is going to be tradeable at HitBTC ... not exactly an exchange that is on the trusted list ... https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/wiki/avoid

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Yeah I agree. But probably not an issue for those who collects their tokens after having first transferred their tokens to a different wallet + if they are not concerned with exposing their transactions details.

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Quote from: JuniAiko on April 19, 2018, 05:08:20 AM

I know theres a controversy surrounding the MoneroV fork (i.e. the fork isn't supported by the main Monero team), that is coming in 12 days. But it free coins, so why not. Buying in soon to take a ride on the pre-fork (buy the rumor, sell the news) style pump.. and eject before the predicted dump.

Also tax season in Australia is approaching. Wondering if there will be a pump in Monero again due to that.

I think the main issue with MoneroV is that it’s a blockchain hardfork - good for free coins, bad for security ... you’d be risking a lot by spending coins on this chain.

Edit: probably good for XMR price though...

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I know theres a controversy surrounding the MoneroV fork (i.e. the fork isn't supported by the main Monero team), that is coming in 12 days. But it free coins, so why not. Buying in soon to take a ride on the pre-fork (buy the rumor, sell the news) style pump.. and eject before the predicted dump.

Also tax season in Australia is approaching. Wondering if there will be a pump in Monero again due to that.

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Quote from: ?? on ??

If you count that Masari uses a weighted harmonic mean difficulty adjustment algorithm for smoother difficulty adjustment, which has been PR'd back to Monero you already have a kick-ass coin. It also has only ever used RingCT, has a fixed ring size of 13, and we plan on adding uncle mining and researching block tree sharding.

Overstatement?

WHM dev + details : https://github.com/zawy12/difficulty-algorithms/issues/3
Monero project discussion : https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/3

WHM was adopted by MSR, they didn't invent it. Reading source comments MSR devs did contribute some.

In Official XMR github Fluffypony says he prefers EMA.

Clones will be clones - good for testing stuff though.

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Facts are more efficient than fud

Quote from: Raven89 on April 19, 2018, 04:36:13 AM

Quote from: generalizethis on April 19, 2018, 04:27:41 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Also guys you should have a look at coins that actively support Monero development: Masari.

It's a Monero fork, good relashionship with Monero, only 18.5 millions total coin supply and it's still early, only 3000 sats on SouthXchange and Tradeogre.
If you count that Masari uses a weighted harmonic mean difficulty adjustment algorithm for smoother difficulty adjustment, which has been PR'd back to Monero you already have a kick-ass coin. It also has only ever used RingCT, has a fixed ring size of 13, and we plan on adding uncle mining and researching block tree sharding.

Cheers !

good relashionship with Monero,

Cringe level BS. I know there are people stupid enough to buy this line, but I really doubt they are on this thread--maybe know the community before going full-shill.

Here we go:

Masari dev writed this post when Monero forked: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/8a7ubh/only_20_of_the_blocks_coming_into_the_fork_are/

FluffyPony talked about MSR in his podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TATpQ7KogBc&feature=youtu.be&t=6074

and also tweeted about MSR before that: https://twitter.com/fluffypony/status/971103127947669505

I don't know which one of us does not really know the comunity, i am a Monero Hodler for a long time Wink

My bad. Given the timing, I thought it was just another money grab project--if they are actually contributing to research and not just taking advantage of the ASIC resistance feud, then it may not be as bad as I thought. Though I'm still suspicious of the timing. TBH, I don't follow the Monero reddit as I once had, so this is my main news aggregate. Also, you are still coming on strong in the shill department (saying you are a long time hodler with noob account is equivalent to the car salesmen's "trust me!"--it comes accross as desperate, same goes for listing exchanges and the current price in satoshis).

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Quote from: generalizethis on April 19, 2018, 04:27:41 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Also guys you should have a look at coins that actively support Monero development: Masari.

It's a Monero fork, good relashionship with Monero, only 18.5 millions total coin supply and it's still early, only 3000 sats on SouthXchange and Tradeogre.
If you count that Masari uses a weighted harmonic mean difficulty adjustment algorithm for smoother difficulty adjustment, which has been PR'd back to Monero you already have a kick-ass coin. It also has only ever used RingCT, has a fixed ring size of 13, and we plan on adding uncle mining and researching block tree sharding.

Cheers !

good relashionship with Monero,

Cringe level BS. I know there are people stupid enough to buy this line, but I really doubt they are on this thread--maybe know the community before going full-shill.

Here we go:

Masari dev writed this post when Monero forked: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/8a7ubh/only_20_of_the_blocks_coming_into_the_fork_are/

FluffyPony talked about MSR in his podcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TATpQ7KogBc&feature=youtu.be&t=6074

and also tweeted about MSR before that: https://twitter.com/fluffypony/status/971103127947669505

I don't know which one of us does not really know the comunity, i am a Monero Hodler for a long time Wink

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Quote from: ?? on ??

Also guys you should have a look at coins that actively support Monero development: Masari.

It's a Monero fork, good relashionship with Monero, only 18.5 millions total coin supply and it's still early, only 3000 sats on SouthXchange and Tradeogre.
If you count that Masari uses a weighted harmonic mean difficulty adjustment algorithm for smoother difficulty adjustment, which has been PR'd back to Monero you already have a kick-ass coin. It also has only ever used RingCT, has a fixed ring size of 13, and we plan on adding uncle mining and researching block tree sharding.

Cheers !

good relashionship with Monero,

Cringe level BS. I know there are people stupid enough to buy this line, but I really doubt they are on this thread--maybe know the community before going full-shill.

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Quote from: andrew1carlssin on April 18, 2018, 09:04:33 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on April 18, 2018, 08:46:02 PM

Quote from: infofront on April 18, 2018, 08:36:15 PM

I never thought I'd be mining Monero again after 2015. I was delighted to switch all my ETH miners over a week or so ago.

It's like stepping back to 2013! Cheesy

Well not really my electric is far too high to mine.

I just received a warning ...
in the next japanese candlestick ... sell it or deal with pain (loads of pain killers )

Thats not the end of the world, just the end of your mind.

Quote from: nazzer on April 18, 2018, 11:06:29 PM

Quote from: andrew1carlssin on April 18, 2018, 09:04:33 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on April 18, 2018, 08:46:02 PM

Quote from: infofront on April 18, 2018, 08:36:15 PM

I never thought I'd be mining Monero again after 2015. I was delighted to switch all my ETH miners over a week or so ago.

It's like stepping back to 2013! Cheesy

Well not really my electric is far too high to mine.

I just received a warning ...
in the next japanese candlestick ... sell it or deal with pain (loads of pain killers )

I switched over when it forked

XMR/USD is hitting the 200MA, XMR/BTC already broke through the 200MA barrier - I'm confident we'll see 300 again at the end of the month

I would not be surprised either, If it wasn't for the BTC bubble it would be sitting right about there now.

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Quote from: andrew1carlssin on April 18, 2018, 09:04:33 PM

Quote from: Hueristic on April 18, 2018, 08:46:02 PM

Quote from: infofront on April 18, 2018, 08:36:15 PM

I never thought I'd be mining Monero again after 2015. I was delighted to switch all my ETH miners over a week or so ago.

It's like stepping back to 2013! Cheesy

Well not really my electric is far too high to mine.

I just received a warning ...
in the next japanese candlestick ... sell it or deal with pain (loads of pain killers )

I switched over when it forked

XMR/USD is hitting the 200MA, XMR/BTC already broke through the 200MA barrier - I'm confident we'll see 300 again at the end of the month

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Quote from: Hueristic on April 18, 2018, 08:46:02 PM

Quote from: infofront on April 18, 2018, 08:36:15 PM

I never thought I'd be mining Monero again after 2015. I was delighted to switch all my ETH miners over a week or so ago.

It's like stepping back to 2013! Cheesy

Well not really my electric is far too high to mine.

I just received a warning ...
in the next japanese candlestick ... sell it or deal with pain (loads of pain killers )

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Quote from: infofront on April 18, 2018, 08:36:15 PM

I never thought I'd be mining Monero again after 2015. I was delighted to switch all my ETH miners over a week or so ago.

It's like stepping back to 2013! Cheesy

Well not really my electric is far too high to mine.

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I never thought I'd be mining Monero again after 2015. I was delighted to switch all my ETH miners over a week or so ago.

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Quote from: andrew1carlssin on April 18, 2018, 01:28:51 PM

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Why not last week or last month? Why now? Cos of birthday?
ASIC miners that planed to sell already sold long time ago, those that planed to hold will hold to some big real world use Monero hype and price spike or will hold for long term.

I think the formula/logic to dump the coins is something like.
..Asic developers must take on account ASIC Development cost (capex + opex) then calculate how much coin they mined ...then they need to wait until the price cross their profit threshold to start sell their coins ...I don't know how much it cost to Bitmain ( is it something like Cost=Masks+N×Wafers ?? ) for cryptonight algorithm maybe the development is more trick than SHA-256 ..Regards to ASIC development costs I will take bitcointalk time-machine back to 2012 and read again to remember what happened in the past ;-) ..

Dedicated Mining ASIC Project (Open for Discussion)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/block-erupter-dedicated-mining-asic-project-open-for-discussion-91173

Since they mined only 4 months, I guess they will need $1000 or $2000 Monero price for profit.

Well in life unexpected things happens. You cant do everything with profit always. Sometimes you make some mistakes. What if tomorrow there is unrepairable flaw in Monero and all coins are worth close to 0? How will then they get profit?

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Quote from: aminorex on April 18, 2018, 04:19:15 PM

Personally, I think Bitmain et filia sold as fast as they could. The remaining miners will include a higher proportion of hodlers than when ASICs were online, so that supply is slightly reduced from now on. Being just a bit behind the most profitable coins is the sweet spot for price appreciation. Too low and your coin is dying. Too high and you minimize the number of miners with a long horizon. Supply is dwindling anyhow, but price is set at the margins.

I doubt we will see a quarter in which the predecessor quarter VWAP was higher than the current quarter for a while - not until BTC tops in the 25 to 40 range and retreats to 16 to 20 range, at least.

if bch price reach the proper market price I may cash out the airdrop and invest into cryptonight ... regards to cryptonote ... it was my first coin that really compiled flawless with c++boost lib

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Personally, I think Bitmain et filia sold as fast as they could. The remaining miners will include a higher proportion of hodlers than when ASICs were online, so that supply is slightly reduced from now on. Being just a bit behind the most profitable coins is the sweet spot for price appreciation. Too low and your coin is dying. Too high and you minimize the number of miners with a long horizon. Supply is dwindling anyhow, but price is set at the margins.

I doubt we will see a quarter in which the predecessor quarter VWAP was higher than the current quarter for a while - not until BTC tops in the 25 to 40 range and retreats to 16 to 20 range, at least.

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