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Topic: [XMR] Monero Speculation - page 875. (Read 3314350 times)

legendary
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January 09, 2017, 04:04:54 AM

...snip

We need instant CC and debit ways to purchase as well as paypal to get unlinked completely and that means we need a very large financial institution that can handle the load and get the insurance for that volume.

We do - and I am gagging for this to happen. I have been looking at prepaid CCs which you can load up directly with XMR - and to a certain extent they do exist (Uquid etc.)  However, anymore than around $2500 (or GBP) in the lifetime use of the card and you need KYC / AML verification, as well as a conversation with your accountant that will mean a proper and difficult audit of your profit and loss after many years in crypto.

I don't really want to convert XMR to BTC and then exit exchanges in USD which needs to be then converted to GBP (for me) to finally end up in my bank account for all who wish to ask me about the BTC I have cashed in. 

I would love to be able to buy directly in XMR, which would be great for developing an XMR real-world economy, but this seems an age away.

Monero is the ultimate private money, but right now it is hard to keep it that way when you actually want to spend it.
legendary
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January 09, 2017, 03:43:45 AM
Why is Monero following the rise and fall of bitcoin? I thought it was following its own path in this latest rise. Maybe the whales were only using the optimism in bitcoin and had the intention to dump the moment bitcoin started to crash?

Monero is still higher than it was a few weeks ago. As for following Bitcoin, Monero's recent rise during Bitcoin's recent rise showed that XMR's value is not necessarily tied to BTC, although it is to some degree. At least it's not as directly tied to BTC's value as many other coins.

I am very confused with what you posted. What really is it? Is it following bitcoin or not because what you posted does not answer the question. If you do not have a straight answer please refrain from posting.


We used to go up (in BTC terms) when BTC went down and vice versa.

In December we kept up our price in BTC and even increased it (in spite of BTC's rise) which was historically, a change.  The GUI (and new exchanges) were a huge factor in this, akin to the DNM news spike in late August - XMR hit a dollar value ATH. 

If I seem vague, it is because the degree of this 'coupling' is now unclear and it's hard to see what will happen from now on.  We seem to not rise and fall as other alts do and the hedge value we had (inverse moves to BTC rises and falls) is not so obviously there any more. We have dipped in USD terms massively since the peak just after Christmas.

The 'apparent' coupling during the Christmas rise (since we maintained our price in BTC terms relatively well over this period) seems to mean XMR has now lost price against BTC with its drop.  This is different and means a magnification of our value fall in USD terms - that is all I am saying.

TLDR:  I am trying to spot the new paradigm correlation between BTC and XMR price.  This is, after all a speculation thread.

And if that is not clear, you are free to ignore me - but I will not stop posting, sorry. I am interested in trends in the XMR price and discussion of this matters to me.

full member
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January 08, 2017, 09:10:58 PM
Good news!

Rumor is Chinese are waiting for RingCT to launder hacked/DNM bitcoins...
8btc forums, qq groups, private chat I've had with Chinese bot operators, everyone is expecting a huge influx of volume...

Chinese are also saying Bitfinex is about to launder 'hacked' btc very soon...



What is hacked BTC??? can you explain more about it?
legendary
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January 08, 2017, 08:21:17 PM
Why is Monero following the rise and fall of bitcoin? I thought it was following its own path in this latest rise. Maybe the whales were only using the optimism in bitcoin and had the intention to dump the moment bitcoin started to crash?

Monero is still higher than it was a few weeks ago. As for following Bitcoin, Monero's recent rise during Bitcoin's recent rise showed that XMR's value is not necessarily tied to BTC, although it is to some degree. At least it's not as directly tied to BTC's value as many other coins.

I am very confused with what you posted. What really is it? Is it following bitcoin or not because what you posted does not answer the question. If you do not have a straight answer please refrain from posting.
legendary
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January 08, 2017, 05:31:23 PM
Good news!

Rumor is Chinese are waiting for RingCT to launder hacked/DNM bitcoins...
8btc forums, qq groups, private chat I've had with Chinese bot operators, everyone is expecting a huge influx of volume...

Chinese are also saying Bitfinex is about to launder 'hacked' btc very soon...

legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
January 08, 2017, 04:56:17 PM

... I give up.


Aw c'mon bro... no sweat, you know better than this, i.e. short term especially: daily swings are all over the map!

Especially lately after all the craziness that's been going on with BTC and so much XMR news on top of it all?  Honestly I'm surprised it's not swung back MORE after the way things were there for awhile, LOL.  Long overdue for short term sanity check but we're still pretty nicely 'up' aren't we?

Soon enough we'll be in the $50+ era, and looking back at this time saying wow remember when we all freaked out on one-dollar moves in the ten buck range?

It's Sunday, go pour your favorite kind of drink and relax a while Smiley

HoneyPony will still be here doin' his (her?) thing... Cheesy


Yep, having that beer now. I am not pissed off at XMR price, it's way less stressful than watching the BTC price!

I was just hoping to see we might have 'decoupled' from Bitcoin and go up when it goes down (and vice versa) as it used to.

But my little theory we might now do this is unprovable (Grrr...) so we're kind of more dependent on BTC.

For now... Wink

I think it's more that we need to use btc as a median so its volatility hits us still. The kraken USD pair sucks and it's EFT as well.

We need instant CC and debit ways to purchase as well as paypal to get unlinked completely and that means we need a very large financial institution that can handle the load and get the insurance for that volume.
legendary
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January 08, 2017, 04:23:29 PM

... I give up.


Aw c'mon bro... no sweat, you know better than this, i.e. short term especially: daily swings are all over the map!

Especially lately after all the craziness that's been going on with BTC and so much XMR news on top of it all?  Honestly I'm surprised it's not swung back MORE after the way things were there for awhile, LOL.  Long overdue for short term sanity check but we're still pretty nicely 'up' aren't we?

Soon enough we'll be in the $50+ era, and looking back at this time saying wow remember when we all freaked out on one-dollar moves in the ten buck range?

It's Sunday, go pour your favorite kind of drink and relax a while Smiley

HoneyPony will still be here doin' his (her?) thing... Cheesy


Yep, having that beer now. I am not pissed off at XMR price, it's way less stressful than watching the BTC price!

I was just hoping to see we might have 'decoupled' from Bitcoin and go up when it goes down (and vice versa) as it used to.

But my little theory we might now do this is unprovable (Grrr...) so we're kind of more dependent on BTC.

For now... Wink
hero member
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January 08, 2017, 02:44:07 PM

... I give up.


Aw c'mon bro... no sweat, you know better than this, i.e. short term especially: daily swings are all over the map!

Especially lately after all the craziness that's been going on with BTC and so much XMR news on top of it all?  Honestly I'm surprised it's not swung back MORE after the way things were there for awhile, LOL.  Long overdue for short term sanity check but we're still pretty nicely 'up' aren't we?

Soon enough we'll be in the $50+ era, and looking back at this time saying wow remember when we all freaked out on one-dollar moves in the ten buck range?

It's Sunday, go pour your favorite kind of drink and relax a while Smiley

HoneyPony will still be here doin' his (her?) thing... Cheesy
legendary
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January 08, 2017, 02:38:55 PM
American Pegasus is the Andreas Antonopoulos of Monero.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpQSoQy0xUw
legendary
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January 08, 2017, 12:27:14 PM
4 hours later, BTC dumps and we rise....

Better   Grin

EDIT: Nope we are not climbing inversely to the dip, still somewhat 'pegged'. I give up.
legendary
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January 08, 2017, 05:26:49 AM
Why is Monero following the rise and fall of bitcoin? I thought it was following its own path in this latest rise. Maybe the whales were only using the optimism in bitcoin and had the intention to dump the moment bitcoin started to crash?

Being pegged to BTC in the rise was a pretty good thing. It was possibly XMR being used to shuffle money in and out of BTC at certain points.

But I think you will see XMR doing its own thing again a little more....

EDIT: Nope - BTC dips, and so do we.   Damn.

legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
January 07, 2017, 09:18:09 PM
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Why not take revenge by shutting up completely and not offering any free advice at all since they all seem to be against you?

I am by pointing out when they are moving the market which in turn helps the n00bs to not get played.


If you are REALLY interested in helping noobs, maybe talk to their level. Plus, I've seen other predictions by so called experts that have proven completely wrong so don't think we'd just blindly follow your calls. I do appreciate you trying to help but you need more tact.

Free advice that is verifiable does not need tact, if you don't like the way it's delivered then ignore it. How's that for tact?


Why is Monero following the rise and fall of bitcoin? I thought it was following its own path in this latest rise. Maybe the whales were only using the optimism in bitcoin and had the intention to dump the moment bitcoin started to crash?

Profit taking trigger to move to usd temporarily then re buy later. Always expect this after a large gain and expect a spectacular one when BTC is in free fall.

Don't worry it will bounce back, as has been said and I know you know, this is a long term hold. either try to ride the waves (which can be costly) or just ignore the bumps in the road. Smiley
hero member
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January 07, 2017, 08:46:24 PM
Why is Monero following the rise and fall of bitcoin? I thought it was following its own path in this latest rise. Maybe the whales were only using the optimism in bitcoin and had the intention to dump the moment bitcoin started to crash?

Monero is still higher than it was a few weeks ago. As for following Bitcoin, Monero's recent rise during Bitcoin's recent rise showed that XMR's value is not necessarily tied to BTC, although it is to some degree. At least it's not as directly tied to BTC's value as many other coins.
legendary
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January 07, 2017, 08:34:01 PM
Why is Monero following the rise and fall of bitcoin? I thought it was following its own path in this latest rise. Maybe the whales were only using the optimism in bitcoin and had the intention to dump the moment bitcoin started to crash?
full member
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January 07, 2017, 08:08:30 PM
...

Why not take revenge by shutting up completely and not offering any free advice at all since they all seem to be against you?

I am by pointing out when they are moving the market which in turn helps the n00bs to not get played.


If you are REALLY interested in helping noobs, maybe talk to their level. Plus, I've seen other predictions by so called experts that have proven completely wrong so don't think we'd just blindly follow your calls. I do appreciate you trying to help but you need more tact.
legendary
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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it
January 07, 2017, 05:34:43 PM
...

Why not take revenge by shutting up completely and not offering any free advice at all since they all seem to be against you?

I am by pointing out when they are moving the market which in turn helps the n00bs to not get played.


Agree wholeheartedly.

Fluffy comes off as extremely honest, non-defensive, and competent...


Absolutely, a great presentation on all levels... well worth watching for anyone interested in XMR.

I was particularly impressed that Fluffy had the epic balls to good-naturedly use the example of coinbase closing someone's account due to bitcoin's fungibility failure... to this audience at COINBASE!!!

Oh, yeah, he "went there" and I personally LOL'ed when he did it.  Excellent speaking truth to power Mr. Pony... attaboy! Cheesy


Didn't know fluffypony was such a good public speaker.
Great combination of technical details, humor and audience engagement.


Haven't you listened to any of the podcasts?
He's a natural speaker with a pretty cool accent and a non-aggressive demeanor, he's got all the hallmarks of a professional talking head.

ADDED: Anyone that wants to sell me $700 or so pm me.
sr. member
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bagholder since 2013
January 07, 2017, 03:59:52 PM

Agree wholeheartedly.

Fluffy comes off as extremely honest, non-defensive, and competent...


Absolutely, a great presentation on all levels... well worth watching for anyone interested in XMR.

I was particularly impressed that Fluffy had the epic balls to good-naturedly use the example of coinbase closing someone's account due to bitcoin's fungibility failure... to this audience at COINBASE!!!

Oh, yeah, he "went there" and I personally LOL'ed when he did it.  Excellent speaking truth to power Mr. Pony... attaboy! Cheesy


Didn't know fluffypony was such a good public speaker.
Great combination of technical details, humor and audience engagement.
hero member
Activity: 608
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January 07, 2017, 03:20:51 PM

Agree wholeheartedly.

Fluffy comes off as extremely honest, non-defensive, and competent...


Absolutely, a great presentation on all levels... well worth watching for anyone interested in XMR.

I was particularly impressed that Fluffy had the epic balls to good-naturedly use the example of coinbase closing someone's account due to bitcoin's fungibility failure... to this audience at COINBASE!!!

Oh, yeah, he "went there" and I personally LOL'ed when he did it.  Excellent speaking truth to power Mr. Pony... attaboy! Cheesy
hero member
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January 07, 2017, 02:32:17 PM
I see patterns and I am pointing out that I have been giving this type free advice for years and have not even been thanked once. Feel free to go back and find a incorrect prediction I have made, I don't remember any. Yet I see People shilling their bags and idiot n00bs listen to them and get crushed, I'm dumbfounded by this.

Why not take revenge by shutting up completely and not offering any free advice at all since they all seem to be against you? I mean that prediction of yours that you keep repeating, I think it has been seen already so you have done your part.

Also not sure what anyone gets by going through post history. There has got to be a better way to utilize time. I remember you regretting selling way too early around the 0.007/8 mark during the runup to 0.026 last year and then frequently posting about wanting it all to come down over the next several weeks. I mean don't get me wrong, but probably noobs need to stay away from your free advice otherwise this whole thread would be full of people repeating the same thing over and over.
legendary
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January 07, 2017, 02:20:59 PM
A bright but risk-averse family member who bought bitcoin at $180 in 2013 to humor me and shut me up, spontaneously asked me how to buy Monero a few days ago. He also thanked me for getting him into this stuff, which is uncharacteristic. I've mentioned Monero to him perhaps three times since 5/2014, last time over six months ago. Not sure what that means, but it's data.

If he's smart, it just means the last time you mentioned a coin and he bought it, he has at least quadrupled his money - so he is taking notice of what else you suggested.

A relative working with me in 2013 remembered watching here with the rockets and fun as we rose up to the ATH.  He didn't buy BTC then, although I did suggest it again when it was way down low in the 200s.   We worked together again in the spring of last year and he got interested in Monero - he suggested I put a little of his wages into it for him.   He is incredibly grateful now, it was around 50c a pop at the time.

It's hard to recommend a purchase to anyone, they need to ask - you mention it's your new thing, they ask or they don't.  As no one will thank you if they lose money, they have to have open eyes and know there is a risk that it will totally wipe out.  But of course we talk and some of it strikes a chord.

It's great fun when it works out, though.
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