Xtreme Miners looks like scam.
I called the building management company (RFR Immobilien Verwaltungs GmbH, Frankfurt am Main, Tel. (+49) 69/71712990) for their address (Eschersheimer Landstraße 19-21 60322 Frankfurt am Main, Germany). The responsible advisor (Herr Schmidt) told me there is no company called Xtreme Miners there and no person called "Berg" which is shown in the impressum of Xtreme Miners.
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another scam : http://advancedminers.com/bitcoin-mining-hardware/
Heavy on pretty renders, light on realism. Looks like a scam.
Real chips don't look like that, nobody puts a fancy shiny graphic on the chip - just a basic white logo/text. It gets covered by a heat sink, so it is impractical to spend money on a slick logo. Also, the lettering on the chip appears to be raised - no real company would do that, as the top of the chip must be totally flat to allow for good heat transfer to the heat sink.
Real chips don't look like that, nobody puts a fancy shiny graphic on the chip - just a basic white logo/text. It gets covered by a heat sink, so it is impractical to spend money on a slick logo. Also, the lettering on the chip appears to be raised - no real company would do that, as the top of the chip must be totally flat to allow for good heat transfer to the heat sink.
Even if they are not a scam, they have not proven they'll deliver ON TIME
this is very important.
for example, BFL is a company that eventually delivers, but much later than promised.
so maybe extreme miners may be a great company, but it may as well be a slow-delivering company.
i'm skeptical and until multiple people have confirmed they deliver the products as advertised and on time, i may consider buying a later batch.
until then, i won't trust them.
all the evidence so far points to a scam, and the 11BTC story is not confirmed either, it may be one of the employees or a friend.
this is very important.
for example, BFL is a company that eventually delivers, but much later than promised.
so maybe extreme miners may be a great company, but it may as well be a slow-delivering company.
i'm skeptical and until multiple people have confirmed they deliver the products as advertised and on time, i may consider buying a later batch.
until then, i won't trust them.
all the evidence so far points to a scam, and the 11BTC story is not confirmed either, it may be one of the employees or a friend.
While we are talking about them being a possible scam, are there any suggestions for comparable machines? I have some investors willing to get me started on mining but I don't want to waste their money on a scam. Really looking forward to any more news about this company.
Scam at hist dumbest.
You can not just remove a VAT number just because it might irritate a customer, it needs to be on the page, as well as atleast a fax number if you are a german company.
New VAT numbers are given out by just one jurisdiction and they are searcheable the day you got them from that jurisdiction.
All in all, scam. Might be the scammer saw all the scam threads and started an offensive to continue getting btc from bright ppl that are affected by the gold digger syndrom.
You can not just remove a VAT number just because it might irritate a customer, it needs to be on the page, as well as atleast a fax number if you are a german company.
New VAT numbers are given out by just one jurisdiction and they are searcheable the day you got them from that jurisdiction.
All in all, scam. Might be the scammer saw all the scam threads and started an offensive to continue getting btc from bright ppl that are affected by the gold digger syndrom.
A friend of mine lives in Frankfurt and checked out the building for me. No indication of a company named Xtreme Miners or Jorge Berg whatsoever.
Please, if possible arrange a meeting with your friend and the head of the company.
They seem to be open for communication.
And - for sure - tell us what happened.
Hey,
So I just wanted to share my experience with xtreme miners as well..
I found their website and was blown away by their miners :O 5 TH thats crazyyy!
Anyway so I bought a miner from them.
Someone answered my mails very kindly & quickly, and sent me an order confirmation, everything was fine.
After the purchase i started to research a little about this website and found this thread..
and read all your comments saying they are a scam.. and I was like OMG and started to freak out
So I lost over 11 BTC :O which took me sooo long to mine !!!
So I emailed them, asking about the invalid tax number etc.. they replied you cant find the tax number because the business was new. then they also told me they wanted to remove the nr because its confusing a lot of customers
but i didnt care i just wanted my money back and didnt believe the mail, so i asked for a refund, but had basically no hope to get it back
To clear my mind off the mining stuff, I played fifa on my PS3
and then checked back on my wallet a few hours later .. BOOOM ... my 11 BTC were sent back! i was soo shocked but confused at the same time to see that they actually refunded my money, because which scam company would send back bitcoins?
so now i'm wondering if i did the right thing? :/
anyway i just wanted to tell you guys, maybe its interesting for some of you
https://imageshack.com/i/nlhcrzp
So I just wanted to share my experience with xtreme miners as well..
I found their website and was blown away by their miners :O 5 TH thats crazyyy!
Anyway so I bought a miner from them.
Someone answered my mails very kindly & quickly, and sent me an order confirmation, everything was fine.
After the purchase i started to research a little about this website and found this thread..
and read all your comments saying they are a scam.. and I was like OMG and started to freak out
So I lost over 11 BTC :O which took me sooo long to mine !!!
So I emailed them, asking about the invalid tax number etc.. they replied you cant find the tax number because the business was new. then they also told me they wanted to remove the nr because its confusing a lot of customers
but i didnt care i just wanted my money back and didnt believe the mail, so i asked for a refund, but had basically no hope to get it back
To clear my mind off the mining stuff, I played fifa on my PS3
and then checked back on my wallet a few hours later .. BOOOM ... my 11 BTC were sent back! i was soo shocked but confused at the same time to see that they actually refunded my money, because which scam company would send back bitcoins?
so now i'm wondering if i did the right thing? :/
anyway i just wanted to tell you guys, maybe its interesting for some of you
https://imageshack.com/i/nlhcrzp
You didn't show the payment. The 11 BTC could have been from anything. Show us all emails, the email headers, your payment, and where you received the money.
But their site and pics are so nice 
Yes I especially love the architecture of the machines that look like modern abstract buildings lol.
A friend of mine lives in Frankfurt and checked out the building for me. No indication of a company named Xtreme Miners or Jorge Berg whatsoever.
Well I actually visited the adress of vmc (virtual mining corp), and there were no signs of the company there as well. But they actually deliver.
So I think just because they don’t have the name on the doorbell plate, doesn’t mean the office isn’t there – I suppose they do this so that no customers/ journalists ring all the time
Anyway you guys are really speculating a lot here, either get it or don’t .. I would have got one if I hadn’t ordered from cointerra already
A friend of mine lives in Frankfurt and checked out the building for me. No indication of a company named Xtreme Miners or Jorge Berg whatsoever.
Because they are the new company doesn't mean they are the scam. Currently many miner production companies are using the pre-order business model to gather Capital to continue their project/business.
Some succeed and many failed. Even the successful ones like to stay as private as possible due to the high risk of being victimized by others. (These companies do have lots of $$$ and lots of R&D information, not to mention if they are in the prototype stages, they don't want the competitors from stealing anything from them.
As I recently reviewed Bitmain Tech's AntMiner 180GH/S ASIC Mining unit, many to include the Hero/Sr.Member of this forum called it SCAM, but, at the end, they did produce the miners and actually shipped as they promised
Because of so much life saving loss with these pre-orders, we started the 3rd party reviews to give potential investors more information to digest before committing their thousands of USD for the next 3-12 months until they receive the actual miners.
P.S.
I don't blame these guys/gals who calls everything SCAM, as 2012 and 2013, many millions of doller were lost in the pre-order deals. Many of them lost their Retirement and Life Saving thinking they will double/triple their money in a few months, but that didn't happen.
Some succeed and many failed. Even the successful ones like to stay as private as possible due to the high risk of being victimized by others. (These companies do have lots of $$$ and lots of R&D information, not to mention if they are in the prototype stages, they don't want the competitors from stealing anything from them.
As I recently reviewed Bitmain Tech's AntMiner 180GH/S ASIC Mining unit, many to include the Hero/Sr.Member of this forum called it SCAM, but, at the end, they did produce the miners and actually shipped as they promised
Because of so much life saving loss with these pre-orders, we started the 3rd party reviews to give potential investors more information to digest before committing their thousands of USD for the next 3-12 months until they receive the actual miners.
P.S.
I don't blame these guys/gals who calls everything SCAM, as 2012 and 2013, many millions of doller were lost in the pre-order deals. Many of them lost their Retirement and Life Saving thinking they will double/triple their money in a few months, but that didn't happen.
Hey,
So I just wanted to share my experience with xtreme miners as well..
I found their website and was blown away by their miners :O 5 TH thats crazyyy!
Anyway so I bought a miner from them.
Someone answered my mails very kindly & quickly, and sent me an order confirmation, everything was fine.
After the purchase i started to research a little about this website and found this thread..
and read all your comments saying they are a scam.. and I was like OMG and started to freak out
So I lost over 11 BTC :O which took me sooo long to mine !!!
So I emailed them, asking about the invalid tax number etc.. they replied you cant find the tax number because the business was new. then they also told me they wanted to remove the nr because its confusing a lot of customers
but i didnt care i just wanted my money back and didnt believe the mail, so i asked for a refund, but had basically no hope to get it back
To clear my mind off the mining stuff, I played fifa on my PS3
and then checked back on my wallet a few hours later .. BOOOM ... my 11 BTC were sent back! i was soo shocked but confused at the same time to see that they actually refunded my money, because which scam company would send back bitcoins?
so now i'm wondering if i did the right thing? :/
anyway i just wanted to tell you guys, maybe its interesting for some of you
https://imageshack.com/i/nlhcrzp
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/c/849/hcrz.png
So I just wanted to share my experience with xtreme miners as well..
I found their website and was blown away by their miners :O 5 TH thats crazyyy!
Anyway so I bought a miner from them.
Someone answered my mails very kindly & quickly, and sent me an order confirmation, everything was fine.
After the purchase i started to research a little about this website and found this thread..
and read all your comments saying they are a scam.. and I was like OMG and started to freak out
So I lost over 11 BTC :O which took me sooo long to mine !!!
So I emailed them, asking about the invalid tax number etc.. they replied you cant find the tax number because the business was new. then they also told me they wanted to remove the nr because its confusing a lot of customers
but i didnt care i just wanted my money back and didnt believe the mail, so i asked for a refund, but had basically no hope to get it back
To clear my mind off the mining stuff, I played fifa on my PS3
and then checked back on my wallet a few hours later .. BOOOM ... my 11 BTC were sent back! i was soo shocked but confused at the same time to see that they actually refunded my money, because which scam company would send back bitcoins?
so now i'm wondering if i did the right thing? :/
anyway i just wanted to tell you guys, maybe its interesting for some of you
https://imageshack.com/i/nlhcrzp
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/150x100q90/c/849/hcrz.png
The thing is, its all very well us doing the detective work on here, but how to shut the thing down?
they actually have beaten military grade processors!
But their site and pics are so nice
First of all, the checksum of the VAT is completely wrong, therefor there is no such VAT in germany. This is not possible, and leads to SCAM.
Then this thing is hosted in the US at:
IP address 216.185.152.159
Hostname 216-185-152-159.aus.us.siteprotect.com
ISP Hostway Services, Inc.
Country United States United States
No reason for a german company to do it, neither to not show its registers address.
The Postal address is a office park, which means .. you could actually call there and ask if there is such a company registered there and renting any office/s.
Then this thing is hosted in the US at:
IP address 216.185.152.159
Hostname 216-185-152-159.aus.us.siteprotect.com
ISP Hostway Services, Inc.
Country United States United States
No reason for a german company to do it, neither to not show its registers address.
The Postal address is a office park, which means .. you could actually call there and ask if there is such a company registered there and renting any office/s.
If the community can fund the review, I will head to Frankfurt.
So far, the claims are not way off. Not too cheap and Not too expensive. Right about the price to recover the production & R&D cost from the 1st batch. Only thing that bothers me a bit is, all of the sudden the production announcement, but the 1st batch of the entry level machines are all sold out. (This could be due to the investors wanted all the 1st batch unit to recover the VC money.)
Registrations, contact info, so far it looks legit from the public view! I'm guessing the production may be taking place in China somewhere or low cost labor country in the region.
Anyone Up for the Donation? I rather go to the factory where the production is taking place if the corporate office is in another country. I would love to travel to both locations but if the production is real & additional funding is available, then use that to go visit the office.
Here is for the Extreme Myth Buster Trip Funds:
1DkWdWLa6H1sANX45EUp5n8LaF3NoAEuZv
I promises, no more so called cheezy 1 minute video.
So far, the claims are not way off. Not too cheap and Not too expensive. Right about the price to recover the production & R&D cost from the 1st batch. Only thing that bothers me a bit is, all of the sudden the production announcement, but the 1st batch of the entry level machines are all sold out. (This could be due to the investors wanted all the 1st batch unit to recover the VC money.)
Registrations, contact info, so far it looks legit from the public view! I'm guessing the production may be taking place in China somewhere or low cost labor country in the region.
Anyone Up for the Donation? I rather go to the factory where the production is taking place if the corporate office is in another country. I would love to travel to both locations but if the production is real & additional funding is available, then use that to go visit the office.
Here is for the Extreme Myth Buster Trip Funds:
1DkWdWLa6H1sANX45EUp5n8LaF3NoAEuZv
I promises, no more so called cheezy 1 minute video.
stfu and gtfo and go eat some
+++ the internet!
its a scam 100%
Here's the response I got when I asked some questions about their hardware:
Quote
Thank you for your mail!
You are asking about a lot of detailed information here, which we didn’t put out on purpose – we don’t want to make the same mistake Avalon did, they didn’t protect all their Data well enough so that there are now „avalon clones“ available on the market. We need to avoid plagiarism here, that’s why I am not allowed to send any pictures of prototypes or any drafts and informations about the production per e-mail. I am sure you can understand this.
We are the first german company to build bitcoin miners, so obviously we want to stay unique.
Yes, we do have an investor who provided us with enough money to at least start the production, the rest is gained from our pre-orders. The company owner, Jorge Berg, is currently on a business trip where he is aquiring ven more investors.
Kind Regards, Team Xtreme Miners
They didn't protect their data well enough? THEY SOLD THE CHIPS TO MAKE THE CLONES! Apparently they don't even understand what happened here. You are asking about a lot of detailed information here, which we didn’t put out on purpose – we don’t want to make the same mistake Avalon did, they didn’t protect all their Data well enough so that there are now „avalon clones“ available on the market. We need to avoid plagiarism here, that’s why I am not allowed to send any pictures of prototypes or any drafts and informations about the production per e-mail. I am sure you can understand this.
We are the first german company to build bitcoin miners, so obviously we want to stay unique.
Yes, we do have an investor who provided us with enough money to at least start the production, the rest is gained from our pre-orders. The company owner, Jorge Berg, is currently on a business trip where he is aquiring ven more investors.
Kind Regards, Team Xtreme Miners
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