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In America we don't have a lot of options for sportsbooks online. I've been limited at a few on top of that due to some lucky streaks. That being said, Betcoin has scammed so many people that they've reserved their own level of hell. Their scam rating speaks for itself.

I was dumb for ever playing there, that's for sure, and it has literally cost me thousands upon thousands of dollars because they will scam you left and right  for thousands and then they give you a $2 casino bonus free play and act like they are fucking magnanimously generous.

All I care about now is making sure these cunts can't scam anyone else like they've scammed me. They've probably stolen millions from players by this point. Literally millions of dollar.s

No response. What a shocker.

Guys, it is pretty simple. If you need a bitcoin book, play at Nitrogensports.eu.

Betcoin.AG is fucking trash and that's why their scam rating is the lowest of any book on this website.

2 years they bent their customers over and fucked them in the ass without lube with fraud lines.

2 fucking years.

Zero compensation.

David, karma is coming.

If anyone has any doubts of Betcoin's integrity regarding his claims, please review his previous posts on this account as well as his other account, javybaez2020. He has accused at least 3 other books of this same thing, while issuing death threats and unnecessary expletives. We are more than happy to post every conversation we have had with this player (and there are several daily) where he threatens to either leave the site or go to forums if his wishes are not granted. We don't want to overwhelm this thread going back and forth but we 100% stand by our decision with this player. If you are telling a book how much you love them and then 3 hours later how much you hate them, obviously there is more to the story. Please let us know how we can assist with clearing this up for people.

What did you do with the hundreds of thousands of dollars you made off of customers for scamming them and processing bad line movements without their consent or approval or knowledge?

Answer that question, David.

It's just fucking offensive.

You admit your sportsbook scammed customers without requiring them to approve bad line movements for 2 fucking years and you think there should be no consequence to that.

2 fucking years that the bad line was accepted despite the good line showing at the top of the screen on the betslip.

2 fucking years of scam, fraud, theft.

And you think you're absolved.

Like I said, karma is a bitch. You'll pay from your flesh one day.

So for 2 years your sportsbook processed bad lines against the player's consent. I played there for 2 years.

How many chips do you imagine that cost me? LOL.

You have no comment, because you know you can't justify it.

It's fraudulent, it's a scam, and you're a joke. Everyone see that. Look at your trust rating for fucks sake. Why does no one rate you positively? Your trust rating is in the fucking toilet you fucking scum.

   
   
March 10, 2019: He was given a 50 mBTC casino bonus which was requested to "get me back in the action". Upon receiving the bonus he asked for additional free spins.

March 12, 2019: Player asked for and received 100 mBTC casino bonus for brief sports downtime.

March 13, 2019: Player asked to have chat back after being banned for death threats on players. This request was granted.

March 19, 2019: Player claimed odds changed from -435 to -625 after placing wager. We added 42.2 mBTC to make up the difference.
javybaez2020: That sounds fair to me. Honestly, if it goes from -125 to -135 I'd still place the bet so I don't mind it being accepted. But -400 to -600 or stuff like that, there are situations where I'd rather change my mind and not bet it. So if that kind of event happens, I'll make a ticket. Thanks for being understanding while the process gets easier. I appreciate that. Shows you care about the long term viability and players.

March 20, 2019: Player asked for status points earned from account kerrywoodwins20 to be moved to javybaez2020 and we allowed this.

March 25, 2019: Player asked for free bet because he was having a difficult time. 35 mBTC was added to account.

March 27, 2019: Player disagreed with the grading on a wager and threatened to leave sportsbook

April 3, 2019: Player complained because betslip visibility was delayed 20 minutes. Received 50 mBTC casino bonus.

April 5, 2019: Player asked for a sports bonus for tough times. 35 mBTC free bet was added.

April 7, 2019: Player said odds changed from -400 to -263 after clicking to submit, and requested 30 mBTC. We added 33.88 mBTC based on his numbers.

April 7, 2019: Player asked if we could buyout his potential 2nd place bracket from our March Madness contest. We did so at 0 additional juice.

April 8, 2019: Player demanded compensation for what he felt was an unfair line on basketball (but he still bet on it and did not dispute until after it was resolved). We refused to compensate him and he threatened to leave unless 100 mBTC was added. 100 mBTC was added as a courtesy and he was told that if he asks for any additional bonuses within the next 30 days they will be denied.

April 10, 2019: Player asked if there was anything he could do for some funds to be added to account. We told him that if he gave us an honest review, then we would review it and add an account bonus based on quality. He added reviews to several websites, including BitcoinTalk and received compensation for it.

April 16, 2019: Player asked for a bonus-
javybaez2020: Again, thank you for all that you do, and I understand if the answer is no. I just hope it is obvious that it is a mutually beneficial situation for me to know that my action needs to be here so that bonuses are awarded when I lose so much in such a short time period. I figure that management will need to review this request, so I'm fine being patient!
Betcoin: Hi Javy, this time we are going to have to say no. We can probably do something every 30 days based on your play over the past month. Please contact us in a few weeks and we will get you taken care of. Thank you for your understanding. We appreciate you and truly wish you the best of luck.
javybaez2020: Thanks for your consideration and I completely understand. Please let me know if you guys reconsider because I’d love to send my next few deposits this way but being without funds is a real bummer and if I’m being honest bookmaker usually hooks me up with some nice bonuses in special situations where I’ve lost a lot of money in a short time.
We added a courtesy 25 mBTC bonus
javybaez2020: Thank you for the small gesture. I understand it is a business decision and ultimately we all have to do what we think is best.
javybaez2020: I hate to do this, but if we can't come to some kind of arrangement I feel I must move on to play with bookmaker.
Player asked to leave the site and his request was granted. Later he asked to come back by email and we agreed that he could come back and every 30 days he would have 5% of his losses over the previous month added back.

Today (April 18, 2019):
javybaez2020: Hi Betcoin. Just wanted to say thanks. You guys went above and beyond. I failed every time so it didn't cost you anything, but I appreciate the gestures and everything and I'm glad you guys kept trying. I am completely flat broke now, can't even get McDonalds lol but I do appreciate you guys helping out. Let me know if I can do anything for you guys for compensation. I'm hard up and I'm glad to help you guys out anyway that I can.I defended you guys from scammers over at bitcoin talk a few days ago. Hope you guys saw that! Hate to see you guys have scammers try to take advantage of your generosity.

Most recent ticket (disputing a wager from 4 days ago. As you can see this is not the pattern of this player):
jabybaez2020: Hi Betcoin,
I know this is late notice, but I made this bet while I was driving and so didn't get a chance to go on live chat and report it. Since I was winning at the time, I also just didn't remember it and then I believe I had another major issue that took priority. There was a line discrepancy on a bet I won a few days back. Here is the ticket ID. I have it logged in my phone. ID: 46229788 The line given was -167. The line I submitted my ticket on was -131 Now  I know since this is last minute that you won't necessarily think I'm being honest, but I do have it logged in the notes section of my phone so I know that it happened and you can also check the ticket history and ensure that the -131 was there at a point before my wager was accepted.
I'm sure you'll want to research it, but with me being out of funds, I would at least appreciate it if this was taken care of at some point. Thank you, I have no problem being patient and there's no rush. I should have around 600 mBTC tonight to play with once my payroll goes in to my greendot.
Thank you as always!
Love you BETCOIN!
Javy

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Support Randy:
This will be reviewed and considered.
Best of luck with your wagers!
Have a really great night!

javybaez2020:
Hi Randy!
No rush. I'm going to bed anyway. Big day tomorrow!
Thanks!

Javy

Support David:
Hello, we are looking into this and have credited you while this is reviewed. The system is fixed now and the lines will be rejected if the line changes after you click submit. As in all live betting, the lines may change suddenly in either direction, so please double check to make sure that you like the line before confirming. We will not be able to do this again without a long research period, because this error is fixed now, and there is no reason why this should be happening. Thank you for playing.

(89 mBTC was added and then 33 was deducted immediately  because based on the odds he claimed he was due 56 mBTC)

Support David:
FYI, we originally added the wrong amount, so some was deducted to correct to the 56 you would have been due for the odds change you specified. Thanks again.
 
javybaez2020:
Oh man that 33.60 extra would have been a real treat right now...
No way to convince you that discrepancy was a sign that it should have been put in, huh?
Smiley

Javy

Support David:
Haha best of luck to you Javy.


javybaez2020: haha no seriously
The basketball team I put the 56 chips on just decided to lay down and take a steaming dump on the court and not play the entire 2nd quarter, probably threw the match. So i'm hoping that you would seriously consider leaving the 33.60 chips in there as a show of good faith for my deposit I'm making tonight.

Taking money out of the account is a bad omen for me, I'm very suspicious. Please don't do that to me!

Javy

javybaez2020: Typo**
Very superstitious* lol not very suspicious haha

Javy

 
Support David:
There is nothing that can be done. Sorry. Good luck.

 
javybaez2020:
That's very disappointing. Gamblers are very superstitious by nature. Really shouldn't be taking funds out after putting them in.
But oh well. Guess that's how it goes.
Best of luck
Javy

Support David:
You too, thank you.

 
javybaez2020: In the future, if I continue to play here
Please do not remove funds after placing them in my account.
That is a legitimate concern. How can you not see how that would be very bad for a player? I have bad luck the last month and you make my problems worse with horrible karma, removing funds.
Very sad.

Javy
 
Support David:
We added an incorrect amount and then corrected it. We gave you the exact amount you requested without a review so you wouldn't have to wait. The review would take at least 72 hours, so we did this to accommodate you. Thank you.

 
javybaez2020: I have to be honest
Im disappointed with you guys.
You should have left the slight extra amount you put in there. Now I place a bet to try and get those amount of funds as a sign and I lose that bet.
What a horrible way to show a player you care about them. "Here are some extra funds" - OH wait, just kidding, let me take that back.
Like giving a kid a piece of candy and then saying no you just get a bite size snicker bar, you don't get the full snickers bar.
Unbelievable to be honest. I would not have expected that from you guys. I made a bet SOLELY to get to that amount that you put in and it loses.
Horrible. I expected better from you guys. I really did.

Javy

 
javybaez2020:
That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that your live betting platform has glitches that have cost me money with lines changing and not being accepted, you put in the funds that were owed to me, and also enticed me with a slight few extra chips, and then said no, even though you're down $20,000 to us over the last 2 weeks, we're going to take back the $100 we put in accidentally.
Does that seem reasonable to you? I'm down $20,000 to you and you put in $100 worth of chips by accident and your first instinct is to immediately remove it, leaving the player with horrible luck and bad superstitious thoughts.
If that seems reasonable to you, so be it. It's appalling.

Javy

 
Support David:
We have gone above our already normal excellent service to make you happy so many times, Javy. We are more than fair in every situation. We can't spend all day going back and forth with you every time you don't get your way. You received the amount you asked for without us even looking into it. Sorry we cannot give you the extra that was added by accident and then immediately removed. It is up to you if you accept this decision, but we guarantee you that you will not find another book who would have even paid out this line change, let alone give you extra chips that were mistakenly added. We appreciate you and we believe we have done plenty to show you this. But this issue is closed and any further inquiries about it will not be answered. Thank you.

javybaez2020:
Permanently close my account. I also want to make clear I never want this account re-opened under any circumstance.
I made a bet solely to get the chips back that you removed. You can pretend like this is not your concern, but it is. You put those chips in, and you should have left them in. Dealing with gamblers, you can not pretend we are not superstitious. We are 100% superstitious, every single one of us. What you did was not appropriate.
To remove $100 worth of bonus chips that were put in by a happy mistake, to spite the customer, a customer who has lost $20,000+ worth of chips in 2-3 weeks, that's just unbelievably petty. If you are going to be unbelievably petty with a customer who has funded your book so reliably and consistently lately, then please close my account permanently. You know I am right deep down. You can not possibly think that was appropriate to remove those funds once they were added.

Javy
 
Support David:
All set, thank you.

As you can see this player was clearly happy with our services, so much though that despite having the account closed several times he has begged to return. Also, his claims of 0 compensation are absurd because he has received everything he is due and then some. We feel that we have gone above and beyond for this player and will continue to not be swayed by extortion attempts. We are happy to provide additional info, if necessary, to preserve our reputation.  Any questions, please let us know.

Example 1:

Player takes the New England Patriots ML -100 and hits submit... line moves to -160 and accepts without the player confirming that he agrees to -160.

Example 2:

Player takes the New England Patriots ML -100 and hits submit... line moves to +160 while the bet is confirming, it shows +160 on the left side of the screen as the new line... Betcoin software process the -100 bet rather than giving you the positive line change or asking you to re-confirm.

ZERO compensation was awarded to players for doing this to them for 2 fucking years. And to be clear, they did this to me on a bet just 3 days ago. They claim it is changed, it is absolutely not.

We don't do any grading manually. Each concern you had was addressed and handled to your full satisfaction. We have literally hundreds of tickets from you where you asked for something and we were happy to oblige. The live sports error was fixed a month ago and today you tried to claim an error from 4 days ago. Someone who posts as often as you would obviously not wait 4 days to dispute this. Without even reviewing the bet, we added the chips you asked for, 56 mBTC. First we added 89, and then removed 33. This is what set you off. You have since sent several support tickets and emails demanding the additional 33 that you did not even want to begin with. We can only go so far. Please play at the sportsbook you trust the most, but do not expect any of them to credit you chips based on your claim that the line moved. We are the only ones who have done that for you and we did it every time you asked. Thank you.

How could you possibly side with a sportsbook that set up their system to manually process bad line movements against the player without their consent?

That's fraud. They committed fraud for 2 years and didn't compensate anyone.

Were you told that? Because here is the actual conversation that took place..

Hello Betcoin,

I love you guys. I really do. You guys offer more games than anyone in the industry and that is something that is super awesome. My luck has been awful the last few weeks, which I'm sure you've noticed. I have appreciated how you've listened to me and taken my concerns seriously. I enjoy that I am listened to and not just shrugged off like other sportsbooks would.

I have deposited around 0.8 BTC ($4200 or so) the last 2 days and lost it all instantly. I don't say that so you'll feel bad for me, but I do want to make clear that I have made this my main sportsbook and intend to do so going forward. I will never trash you guys on the forums again. I am way past that.

I am asking humbly for one more bonus of around 150-200 mBTC. I know this is not a typical request and you probably never do this for anyone else, but I am flat broke now for the next week and would love one more chance to climb myself out of this hole. I know you've given several bonuses and I know this is unusual, but I'm literally begging you. Begging you to please find some mercy and see my deposit history and playing history and see that I"m the kind of player that is worth an out of the ordinary bonus like this.

I will not get angry if you say no. I will just be out of action for a while.

In exchange for this bonus, I will advertise your book on sportsbookreview, SBRforum, peepsplace, twitter, instagram, and the bittalk forum. That's all I can do right now but I would be glad to contribute articles and anything else you guys like in the future.

Please consider my request thoughtfully. That's all I ask. This has been the worst gambling stretch of my life and I'm just trying to cope here and this would go a long way to making this my permanent book forever, which will definitely be good when I come into more money.

Thank you for your time

Javy

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Support Jessica:
Hi Javy, thank you for the kind words. I will send this to supervisor for review. The review sound great.

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javybaez2020:
Hi Jessica,

Thank you for sending for review. I know it is a lot to ask but with my average deposit amounts and routine deposit amounts, I do feel it is something that should be reviewed and something that can be a sound business decision if a player is in an extended losing streak, to keep him engaged and playing so he doesn't lose interest altogether.

Obviously I would never ask if I was winning or if I had a short losing streak after a long winning streak. I am just down on my luck and know that a little break now and then is how we all benefit.

Thank you for your consideration.

Javy

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javybaez2020:
As a last possibility, if another bonus is impossible, could I possibly have an extension?

For an example, 250 mBTC uploaded to my account and then my next deposit, subtract the 250 mBTC and I would start from the new balance. My average weekly deposit amount is around 1000 mBTC I would guess when I am losing, so that would be no problem to subtract the 250 mBTC from future deposits.

I realize this is unusual but I am an unusual player and I'm sure you guys see that I will always play here and won't run off.

Please consider this as I think it is a good option.

Thank you

Javy

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Support Randy:
Hi Javy, We are not heartless to our players when losing.
And we actually are also very happy when they are winning.
What you are asking is indeed rare, but will most certainly get full attention.
That's going to take a day for our managers and sports managers to consult.
It won't fall on deaf ears.
We will get back to you on this.
Thanks in advance for you patience.

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javybaez2020:
Thank you for that. Please let me know as soon as you guys discuss. I was considering putting off some bills that are due today just to get back in the action, but that might not be the wisest decision, so I'd love if you guys could consider the 250 mBTC credit that is deducted from my next deposit. My next deposit would be no later than next Monday.

Thank you!

Javy

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Support David:
Hi Javy, please post the reviews on the sites you listed in your request and then send us links to each one. Please make them more comprehensive than what you already posted on Bitcoin Talk.. ie what specifically you like about our offerings, service, withdrawals etc.. Obviously sites like twitter you won't be able to write as much but on sbr and btctalk you can get more detailed. Once you send us the links to each review, we will get you taken care of with 100-200 mBTC based on the overall quality of the posts.

Let us know if you have any questions.

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javybaez2020:
Hi David,

That is a very generous offer. I greatly appreciate it. I have finished my review for Bitcointalk. I posted it in your main thread but I also thought it was worth it to start another thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5130326.new#new

I'm not sure if they'll remove that since I see moderators talk about a sportsbook only having one dedicated thread, so I posted it in your main thread as well.

https://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbooks-industry/3536688-my-e...

Here is the thread for SBR.

For the other ones, I will need to include links or just keep the reviews more succinct to spread them, but I wanted to know what you thought of this one first before I go ahead spreading it everywhere else I can think of. Please let me know what you think. I worked very hard on it and 100% mean every word!

Javy

Betcoin, why don't you just do the right thing you spineless fucking cunts?

You had software that automatically processed bad lines for your customers for fucking years. How the fuck do you think you can move on without compensating every single customer on every single bet that was fraudulently changed to a worse line?

Fuck off, you spineless cunts. One day, you'll be sorry for carrying water for this fraud. But it'll be too late by then.

Speaking of extortion, I was told I could have some of my funds back that they stole from me if I wrote a positive review.

Of course I did so. I'd rather be scammed out of $5000 rather than $10,000. Who wouldn't?

Think about their character that they have to pay people for positive reviews, and steal money from people and then extort them to provide positive feedback to earn some of the money  they stole back.

Betcoin admitted that they had a fraudulent live sports betting system that processed bad lines without the player's final approval for 2 years. Interesting to note that this fraudulent live betting sports system was not an accident either, as it did not process positive line movements for the player, so this was an intentional scam, not an incompetence scam.

For 2 years, they forced customers to take bad lines that were not what the player agreed to. That's 2 years, hundreds of thousands of bets, probably each bet resulting in a few chips here and there on average.

That adds up to tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of scam stolen funds.

Ask them about these hundreds of thousands of scam stolen funds and what they've done with those scam stolen funds and see what they say.

They will not answer.

About the line you have qouted which is really a serious one if its true.Betcoin.ag might be fucked up more if he do have solid proofs with these claims. Any forms of extortion
will really put you down. This is indeed proper to place on Scam accusation regarding on this matter and answering the topic title, if a thread is moderated then OP do have the full
control on deleting negative comments and remain the positive ones but this act is always been shady.

Dude, if you have a scam accusation on betcoin, you should post your concern here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0. The account of betcoin was red tagged by DT for users who wanted to try playing on their site be warned. Raise a concern if you have one.

seriously man why you didn't report that live odds thing earlier ??

why did you continue playing with Betcoin while you know that they are dropping the live odds when you bet without notifying you ?? and why are you bringing it now ?

that's indeed fraud and I'm not discussing that point , I'm totally against that and yeah it's a scam move

but sometimes this happen , if a sportsbook decided to fix it after it happen then that's good if not I will just open a scam accusation and then never come back to that site again

but you are saying that this has happened with you several times , then why you continued playing there at fist place ?

if this what really happened and you continued wagering there without informing the community here then this is your fault to be honest cause people here will have no idea at all if this has happened with you several times as you are claiming

you are making it hard to catch up with your story , please create a scam accusation and post all of your screenshots

that's not extortion , you lost the money and it sounds to me that they are being way too nice to offer you a bonus or reward in exchange to review

extortion is forcing you to do something in order to get your money back , but when you lost that money it doesn't belong to you and they aren't forced to give you back anything ( unless there is a VIP contract or something similar )  

It's because the thread of betcoin.ag is self moderated. He can moderate the thread and delete whatever comments about their services. Having a self moderated thread is your right in this forum. But, if there is another thread that raises up a scam accusation they're not the person to moderate it so bad comments will never be deleted just like your comment and these: