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Quote from: sherbyspark on June 13, 2015, 01:45:51 PM

Quote from: LadyLuck on June 13, 2015, 07:34:35 AM

Is there such a thing as "provably unfair"?

Its not a concept used on any of the sites, but once you see a site cheat, like incorrect rolls or skipping nonces, then I suppose you would call it provably unfair .

but thats the thing, it is provable so therefore you can notice things like skipped nonces

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Quote from: LadyLuck on June 13, 2015, 07:34:35 AM

Is there such a thing as "provably unfair"?

Its not a concept used on any of the sites, but once you see a site cheat, like incorrect rolls or skipping nonces, then I suppose you would call it provably unfair .

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Is there such a thing as "provably unfair"?

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Quote from: anderson00673 on June 12, 2015, 04:13:36 PM

Quote from: ssstand on June 12, 2015, 10:39:07 AM

Actually i am playing dice right now, but sometimes i back to roullete in a best trusted site, and
i earn 0.1 using the same play i played at other sites.

now it caused me another question playing the dice game....

i am playing with chage 70

and if i bet with minor amount, the streak win appears very usually, also appears streak lose, but it
just reaches to 3, or 4 as a lot, it happens sometimes, and i learn what you taught me, this really
could happend

now when i am writing this post, i set it auto play with very minor amount too , 0.000002 if i
remember it correctly, however, i forget to set the multiply on loss to 0 , i left it to 2 ( Cry

i know this obvious explode the balance ... )

and my sister came to my room and talked to me, so i couldn't noticed it neither,
and magic happens, now i have got the epic streak lose that i didn't see anytime when i bet
with minor amount, i know i have to verify the p.f. and i also trust the site i am playing,
someone could help me to understand this probability relate to the higher bet ?
is because the house edge ?
( i have noticed that the streak lose appears more often if i bet higher )

Thank u in advance...

https://i.imgur.com/ehwZ56t.png

p.s. see u my 0.12 btc ... i will remember u.... should i suggest to them leave the "multiply when lose to 0" ?

OK so the way the math works out is like this:

For your first bet, you have a 50% chance to win. OK now lest say you have this streak:WLLWWWWLWLLWLLWWWLLLLLLLLLLLLL(X)

X is your next bet. What are the chances that you will win? Drum roll please:

50%.

I am very careful with online gambling. I think there is a chance that every site fudges the numbers when they think they can get away with it. My method is this: I don't try to win money, I look at it as an entertainment expense. I never lose more what I plan to, and when that is gone I am done. I never set aside more money than I would miss. Sometimes I come out ahead with this, usually not. But make no mistake: the house always wins. So please just have fun but never use more money than you can afford to lose. If losing effects your life in any way then it is too much.

Your dice example here does look a bit shady, but it really is possible. The only way is to check the PF system before every bet. IMO if oyu put it on autobet then you are asking for trouble.

Thanks your advice and the math explanation, i know this could happen and has its chances, what i wonder if there is some factor that makes the streak win/lose happens more times related to the amount
of my bet.

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Safedice is using the provably fair system with nonce, so you don't need to verify your bets one by one.
Just change your seed after your betting session to reveal the server seed, then enter your client seed and server seed on
http://dicesites.com/safedice/verifier, and you could check all your bets at once.

Very useful information !!! i didn't know that, this is really convenient for the verification !!!

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Safedice is using the provably fair system with nonce, so you don't need to verify your bets one by one.
Just change your seed after your betting session to reveal the server seed, then enter your client seed and server seed on
http://dicesites.com/safedice/verifier, and you could check all your bets at once.

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Quote from: ssstand on June 12, 2015, 10:39:07 AM

Actually i am playing dice right now, but sometimes i back to roullete in a best trusted site, and
i earn 0.1 using the same play i played at other sites.

now it caused me another question playing the dice game....

i am playing with chage 70

and if i bet with minor amount, the streak win appears very usually, also appears streak lose, but it
just reaches to 3, or 4 as a lot, it happens sometimes, and i learn what you taught me, this really
could happend

now when i am writing this post, i set it auto play with very minor amount too , 0.000002 if i
remember it correctly, however, i forget to set the multiply on loss to 0 , i left it to 2 ( Cry

i know this obvious explode the balance ... )

and my sister came to my room and talked to me, so i couldn't noticed it neither,
and magic happens, now i have got the epic streak lose that i didn't see anytime when i bet
with minor amount, i know i have to verify the p.f. and i also trust the site i am playing,
someone could help me to understand this probability relate to the higher bet ?
is because the house edge ?
( i have noticed that the streak lose appears more often if i bet higher )

Thank u in advance...

p.s. see u my 0.12 btc ... i will remember u.... should i suggest to them leave the "multiply when lose to 0" ?

OK so the way the math works out is like this:

For your first bet, you have a 50% chance to win. OK now lest say you have this streak:WLLWWWWLWLLWLLWWWLLLLLLLLLLLLL(X)

X is your next bet. What are the chances that you will win? Drum roll please:

50%.

I am very careful with online gambling. I think there is a chance that every site fudges the numbers when they think they can get away with it. My method is this: I don't try to win money, I look at it as an entertainment expense. I never lose more what I plan to, and when that is gone I am done. I never set aside more money than I would miss. Sometimes I come out ahead with this, usually not. But make no mistake: the house always wins. So please just have fun but never use more money than you can afford to lose. If losing effects your life in any way then it is too much.

Your dice example here does look a bit shady, but it really is possible. The only way is to check the PF system before every bet. IMO if oyu put it on autobet then you are asking for trouble.

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Quote from: casinobitco on June 12, 2015, 11:29:39 AM

Flash-based, garbage , out of the box casino software is not 'fair'

try HTML5 Roulette, which is provably fair -- https://www.casinobitco.in/bitcoin-casino/roulette/index

i have already played there, too, but i lost almost my bitcoin lol, thanks ur suggestion...

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Flash-based, garbage , out of the box casino software is not 'fair'

try HTML5 Roulette, which is provably fair -- https://www.casinobitco.in/bitcoin-casino/roulette/index

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Actually i am playing dice right now, but sometimes i back to roullete in a best trusted site, and
i earn 0.1 using the same play i played at other sites.

now it caused me another question playing the dice game....

i am playing with chage 70

and if i bet with minor amount, the streak win appears very usually, also appears streak lose, but it
just reaches to 3, or 4 as a lot, it happens sometimes, and i learn what you taught me, this really
could happend

now when i am writing this post, i set it auto play with very minor amount too , 0.000002 if i
remember it correctly, however, i forget to set the multiply on loss to 0 , i left it to 2 ( Cry

i know this obvious explode the balance ... )

and my sister came to my room and talked to me, so i couldn't noticed it neither,
and magic happens, now i have got the epic streak lose that i didn't see anytime when i bet
with minor amount, i know i have to verify the p.f. and i also trust the site i am playing,
someone could help me to understand this probability relate to the higher bet ?
is because the house edge ?
( i have noticed that the streak lose appears more often if i bet higher )

Thank u in advance...

https://i.imgur.com/ehwZ56t.png

p.s. see u my 0.12 btc ... i will remember u.... should i suggest to them leave the "multiply when lose to 0" ?

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Quote from: vendetahome on June 12, 2015, 09:14:30 AM

Quote from: adaseb on June 12, 2015, 08:47:33 AM

That's why I don't understand why people choose roulette over dice. Dice actually has a much lower house edge.

I guess its for the fun factor.

do you gamble because you want to get free money and use it instead of job or you want to have fun and spend your time? it depends on that

What the heck are you talking about? Read carefully what he posted about..

Quote from: adaseb on June 12, 2015, 08:47:33 AM

That's why I don't understand why people choose roulette over dice. Dice actually has a much lower house edge.

I guess its for the fun factor.

People have their own preferences.

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Quote from: adaseb on June 12, 2015, 08:47:33 AM

That's why I don't understand why people choose roulette over dice. Dice actually has a much lower house edge.

I guess its for the fun factor.

Because there is no thrill in dice not even the roll effect like on roullete you will see the ball rolling

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Quote from: adaseb on June 12, 2015, 08:47:33 AM

That's why I don't understand why people choose roulette over dice. Dice actually has a much lower house edge.

I guess its for the fun factor.

do you gamble because you want to get free money and use it instead of job or you want to have fun and spend your time? it depends on that

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That's why I don't understand why people choose roulette over dice. Dice actually has a much lower house edge.

I guess its for the fun factor.

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A few casino sites "might" sometimes cheat in middle of a game without you noticing or being suspicious. Since you likely won't be verifying each and every bet, they might RIG the casino a bit for their advantage. This is just my opinion but never heard of this happening since people don't verify all the bets they made.

Quote from: RHavar on June 10, 2015, 12:20:37 PM

You really need to do more than just change the client seed, you have to verify the outcome and the hash. Ideally what we'd see is some browser plugins that do the whole process for us, and we can verify the code of the plugin.

and this..

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Regarding the loss: The losing chance of your bet is 2/35, so you should expect to see a loss every 18.5 bet on average and it is not that exceptionally rare to see 3 losses in 18 bets.
Regarding PF system: As RHavar mentioned, you should change your client seed and verify the hash after every bet. If something doesn't match, you will know that the site is scamming you with a proof.

BTW, roulette has a rather high house edge (2.7%) when compared with some other games, but it is up to you to choose the games you most enjoy.

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Quote from: ssstand on June 10, 2015, 02:20:43 AM

I know it's provably fair, but this really makes me think if
there is any "special" mechanism beyond the screen.

This is not the first time happens to me, also there are
another things similar to this...

Unless im mistaken you put a bet on every number appart from 2 and lost? that will happen occasionally with the odds on a roulette wheel.

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Not only do you have to make sure that the site is provably fair, you have to make sure that the site is fairly random. How is this site coming up with the results? Are you sure the results are 100% unbiased?

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I've seen that before where the same number comes up 3 times in a row and there are even some sites that give a "jackpot" for when it happens. I've also seem "0" come up 3 times in a row. That's about the time that I realized roulette is not the game for me. I'll stick to the bingo and dice fun thanks very much.

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Quote from: vennali on June 10, 2015, 03:20:09 PM

2 Questions,
1. what site is this ? Looks like a live casino.
2. Any proof of the fact that all your previous bets were on the same numbers except for 4 and 16 ?
Because having a number 3 times in a small sample size is always possible. The screenshot was taken after wards, which could mean you just placed the chips on all the numbers except for the one that appeared 3 times almost in a row in the past. This could be used to affect the reputation of a casino. But since you didn't mention the name this might be unlikely.

1. i have put the link at the third post, the game provider seems SoftSwiss ? because i know
many sites use their game as a "template" and each site do their modification maybe ?

2. no, it's not my intention to affect their reputation, and this is the final things that burns my thoughts because this is not the first time that appeared this. And as many of you have said, what that screenshot is happening is not crazy at all, but this was what caused me to think about the p.f.

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2 Questions,
1. what site is this ? Looks like a live casino.
2. Any proof of the fact that all your previous bets were on the same numbers except for 4 and 16 ?
Because having a number 3 times in a small sample size is always possible. The screenshot was taken after wards, which could mean you just placed the chips on all the numbers except for the one that appeared 3 times almost in a row in the past. This could be used to affect the reputation of a casino. But since you didn't mention the name this might be unlikely.

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