Topic: Yobit spam on the forum (Read 8444 times)

That is if the campaign lasts a month or so. I'd much rather see them stretch this out over long period of time like a Chipmixer or 777 campaign instead of burning out their reward reserves like this. The fact that anyone can join without any quality filter is kind of annoying.

And I know, if they actually had that kind of filter Yahoo would not accept me into such a campaign (because reasons) but I would still like to see such a step to be implemented.

I also wouldn't have represented them as a campaign manager especially because Yahoo isn't handling transactions/payments. However, Yahoo has accepted the job, and Yobit has definitely made some enemies of the forum by their antics. However, like I said they have at least made the step in the right direction by hiring a reputable campaign manager.

A number of people here said that this campaign is good because it exposes spammers, but what is the benefit in this when the spammers only get kicked out of the campaign. I've been observing a couple of those serial campaign abusers, like the happy bunch from my old thread (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47859323) and guess what, they lied low for a while and some that did not get red trusted or banned resurfaced in yobit campaign.
This is their normal tactic to stop posting for a few weeks or even months and join another campaign where the manager is less strict or doesn't remember them anymore.

Yahoo has a really good reputation on this forum and runs many successful signature campaigns.
We all know he's very strict and doesn't like spamming.
Yobit, on the other hand, is highly compromised as a campaign here in the forum due to a lot of spamming issues.
If I were Yahoo, I would never accept position of campaign manager in Yobit and risk my hard-earned reputation.
Any way, it's his decision and I hope he will be successful in detecting and removing spammers.
He is probably last chance for Yobit on this forum.

There are huge workload in early days, but workload will decrease over time.

In fact, the manager must not check all 10 posts of shitposters to ban them from the campaign. Shitposters and their shitposts are very easily to recognize. Just a quick scan on their post history, last 20 posts, and manager will know whether they are shitposters.

Hence the assumption that manager has to check all of 3100 posts (310 participants x 10 posts per day / participant) is wrong.

In addition, after a several days, shitposters will be banned from original list of 310 participants, so workload will decrease considerable over days.
More than that, there are less and less shitposters enroll and join the campaign over days when they see what happens with early shitposters.

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They will have bigger effects from their campaign and more positive feedback from community if they do something (besides what they already have now) :
- Narrow down total number of participants: No one will complain if they only hire limited high quality posters, who fail to enroll in ChipMixer
- Increase payment rate: No one will complain if they have payment rates as same as ChipMixer or just a little lower.
- Reduce total posts per day/ week: 50 or 60 in total, weekly. I don't think our community will complain about it.

He has already asked for the communities help by reporting to him any users who are spamming the forum. Again, it will likely take a few weeks to get it all under control, and remove most of the trouble makers. Allowing Yahoo a grace period to sort out the campaign makes sense. However, Yahoo has tied his name to this campaign now, and if the spammers haven't been weeded out in a month or so then I imagine it will reflect badly on Yahoo. Having said that Yobit has made the first steps to cleaning up their name in hiring a reputable campaign manager, and user of the forum. I guess we will have to wait, and see how this unfolds.

Yobit guys are not known for listening to advice, and they have a disdain for this forum (hence the promotion of their own forum).

I can help Yahoo by reporting the shitposters - any mod can look into my reporting history and can verify how much reporting I do on a daily basis these days. All Yahoo has to do is ask and I'd gladly help him (and the forum) by weeding out the shitposts) if not the shitposters.

That's something yahoo will have to deal with and if he can't get control of the campaign then it won't look very good for him and there should be repercussions for that, but it shouldn't be too hard to keep checking the new participants and kicking them off if they're blatantly shitposting. He should probably get in contact with yobit to change the way people can sign up and make it so they have to be accepted first or even overhaul the way the campaign runs completely.

I think this is easy to do when you have help and maybe Yahoo already is or will be working soon with an additional manager or somebody he knows and trusts as a quality checker.

I would do the same and at first, I would try to do it solo, and if that wasn't possible I would just seek help.

Yobit can afford to hire even a few high-quality managers, I assume, when they are running the biggest signature campaign on the forum right now.

It'll take time, and I imagine it'll be a bumpy first few weeks for Yahoo, but eventually he should narrow it down to the better quality users. That estimate of 3100 new posts a day will dramatically decrease given time, because if we assume that nearly every user will on average post 10 times a day you can bet your buck most of them aren't constructive, and will be kicked sooner or later.

The problem is that a one person can hardly keep under control a few hundred people, and their numbers are growing steadily. The last statistics suchmoon posted two days ago shows 310 participants, and if we assume that each of them will make at least 10 posts daily, we get 3100 new posts to check every day, mission impossible. How will things look like when this number becomes twice or three times higher?

True that, but on the bright side of this campaign, this will expose spammers, alt accounts, shit posters, and other form of cheating through signature campaign, including those account who just recently woke up from a long period of inactivity. Yahoo on the other hand is doing all his might as a quality checker with the help of concerned users in the forum to identify these spammers and put them on the list. Thus, it will be easy for Theymos to eradicate these violators.

Though there were also good posters.

Well this is something yahoo should be dealing with as that's his job now. As long as he kicks the problem users off and gets on top of things then there should be no issues. If he doesn't then that's a different matter. There's a few from that thread you linked that are suspicious though:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/aysg76-809633 aysg76 gap from April 22, 2019 to September 29, 2019
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/btccoffee-308192 btccoffee April 05, 2019 to September 28, 2019

These two are almost certainly alts posting back to back:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ailmand-770367 Ailmand February 13, 2016
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/inkdatar-775064 Inkdatar February 18, 2016

Probably unrelated but this user has a huge gap in his posts from November 29, 2017 to July 18, 2019:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kyraishi-143378 Kyraishi


Well they should if they want to promote it here because they had their signatures blacklisted last time they did nothing.

I just said this on another thread :


Making a few small amendments to the way this campaign is run would make the world of difference. But seeing how they are promoting their own forum, I don't think they care about the health of Bitcointalk at all.

In just a few days army of cryptotalks/yobit spammers flooded the entire forum, there is no effective defense against the wrong set of rules. 20 posts per day+unlimited spots and two days ago there is 300+ participants in this signature campaign. I have no doubt that the situation will only get worse, much worse than to open one thread and see how a quality conversation is when one account and his alts abuse signature campaign.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5188341.60 (from post 75).

Like what asche said, the signature campaign can be used as a rat-trap against spammers in the forum.

Yahoo explicitly mentioned that he does not expect everyone to achieve the maximum 20posts/day and he will not hesitate to remove users who have been cheating/spamming their way in the signature. It all boils down if you think it is worth to lose your account in exchange for some bitcoins.

Well in the list, Yahoo regularly updates it with new members being included in the BANNED HAMMER.
List: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/list-of-banned-participants-in-the-cryptotalk-campaign-5188200

I completely agree with your logic, let them spam if that's what they do but for sure they will be caught very soon as not only yahoo is checking the participants, there are also a lot of concerned members that are helping by reporting the spammers in the campaign.

When they are out, they will be out forever and cannot come back anymore, unless yahoo will once again renew is SMAS list and will start fresh but that's too kind of him already or if it will happen, it might take a year or years again.

Well first case actually allows to detect said spammers.

So in the long run it is more effective.

For the short term you might be right, but who cares about short turn?

Let all these people burn their Hero/Legend/Sr accounts. Once they loose them they will never manage to get enough merit to get another.
I'm happy to see this happen and to nail as many as possible.

Since the launch of the Yobit campaign, many Discussions and criticisms on this topic have been running in this forum. Now manager and many others are trying to eliminate spam from this forum. Since highest 20 posts per day limit according to the rules of Yobit campaign. And people have already started spamming to get their highest payment. But what I want to say here is that Yobit should change the rules of the campaign from 20 posts cap to 10 posts/lower than 20 posts is better, rather than looking for spammers all day. Is not it?

As mentionned before you should contact the BM, yahoo about this.

Reporting his posts is also a good idea overall.