Topic: yogg sweeping again - Playtoshi edition (Read 2155 times)

physical bitcoins, or third party private keys generation should not be trusted or even accepted at all !

  Aye a nightmare indeed it is....I just wish he is held accountable for his actions and not get away with this...it will set a bad example for any future physical bitcoin creator who might get any ideas that by doing so there are no repurcussions!

   I do hope someone does find a way in Europe to get justice done once and for all.

Yogg would have made much more money while continuing to make and sell new CK and others cards on the long term...rather than stealing his customers...CK was selling fast...Still can believe that all this happened...What a nightmare...

Yes i agree. That's why it should be easier to tell the authorities that he made false claims when registering his company. Much more simple to understand and to verify for the court. And i can tell you the French government hate being stolen/taken for a fool...

I agree with this.  At this point I would say there is next to 0 chance of anyone recovering anything from yogg.  However, if people really feel that they were wronged and want any kind of justice, a small claims court would likely be the only way forward.  Who knows, maybe the person going through the effort would be able to recover something small for themself, but likely not.  It would be about inconvenience and nothing more.

People wanting to take this to a criminal court have to realize that no contracts were signed (to my knowledge) so a court would likely side with yogg even in the event you could prove it was him who emptied the coins, which is unlikely unless he withdrew them directly to an exchange where he had verified his account. 

I stand by the statement that if you want ANYTHING done, someone in France will have to take him to small claims court.  Otherwise, let this be a learning experience and make sure that if you're going to trust someone, they have something to lose by betraying that trust.

Would it even be possible to prove the theft in front of a judge? You'd have to find a judge who understands Bitcoin and collectibles, or get a credible expert to explain it. You'd also have to prove yogg (and not someone else) emptied the collectibles. I'm not a lawyer, but it looks tricky to provide evidence where the online world touches the real world.

Do you have evidence?
If it is true, it would be considered much more seriously by the court, and he would have a jail sentence. A thousand time stronger for the judge. They are not joking here with that.

Well, IMHO it depends your motivation...If your goal is to get your fund back, then yes i agree unfortunately.
But, if you want to make him understand that his behavior is robbery and that laws do exist, then i don't think it's a waste of time.

To me he carried on stealing, just because he didn't get any warning from the authorities.

I've been told he has zero affiliation to that site - it must have been some sideproject he helped with long ago, also his documents to register AALTWORLD were phony and done by some russian/ukrainian dude who just sells his id out to create phony records for people on the darkweb IIRC ... Can't recall his name right now, but it doesn't really matter I guess, it can all be traced online.

Thanks bestcoin, appreciate it. Is there any type of class-action type of law over there? https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/class_action#:~:text=Overview,group%2C%20or%20%22class%22.

Did you not read my post? Taking Yogg to court is an utter and complete waste of time.  Why can't people understand this? Good lord.

I'm ready to help. Small court does exist in France. But to my knowledge only if the loss suffered is under 5.000 euros. I think the "real" court would be better.

Although some said he has no assets, it looks as if he is still running a company "COINIVERSE" in Paris.
https://www.societe.com/societe/coiniverse-821120342.html


 

Here's the issue with that... I tried, and we don't have anybody that I'm aware of anymore - Nobody in France (even victims) want to help, they just tell me they don't want to get involved and it's not worth the time etc. IDK. That's just what a few French people told me. The only way to really do this is to go in person to the Rouen/Normandy Police and present this in person. Phone calls are not going to work here, even if you speak fluent french...

Sorry everyone, this guy has burned my life down in many ways too, so I feel your pain, and I have literally done everything I can think of here, so I'm out of ideas.  

I haven't chimed in on happenings to date, but I had a gut feeling about Yogg from the start and never purchased any products other than one, a Diwali. I did this in support of a trusted forum member and friend, Agrawas. Having forgot about purchasing this item years prior as it was only loaded with .001, I found it in the safe recently. The POS Yogg swept it. My fault for not pulling the funds before he did. I'm not trying to dip into the messy reimbursement thing going on, and we all know that physicals come with risk in the hands of a POS like Yogg. Licking my wounds, but here to stay. Another one bites the dust....

https://imgur.com/a/rtAG7f2

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/address/bc1qckqrggmf83aw0h5a5jnn76uggwl43scu49qge3/

I would think a "miner" would use a pick axe or shovel   , but OgNasty is right, violence is not necessary. The dude doesn't seem to be in a good place and probably needs help himself. He does need to meet justice though which would involve jail time and a record for harming others financially.

No funds from the auction should be needed for this to take place. Suing would be a waste of time and funds, as it would cost more money and you'd get nothing back. All you'd need is to report it to the correct authority and present the evidence. They would need to see the evidence for a judge to issue a warrant for his arrest. If they can't find him at his address on file, the next time he is pulled over or has an encounter with authorities he'd be taken in.

Note: this will lead to an investigation and make the forum a crime scene as all comments will be reviewed involved with CK and related topics. All I'm saying is be prepared for unintended consequences of an investigation...whatever that would present.

Maybe just make a thread of all known information on the perp and known value of crime to make it easy for the Judge and prosecuting attorney, as they may not understand the theft. That should move this along faster and I can get back to my collecting without distractions and negativity. 

I don’t think we need to be advocating violence, but it does seem like someone should be doing something. In the United States I think the way forward with something like this would be to take him to small claims court. It would be a pain in the ass and I think you could only recover $500 per victim, but if France had something similar and we had a Frenchman here who was willing to waste some of their time to be an annoyance to Yogg, I think that wouldn’t be a bad way to move forward.

I knew about mj’s escrow services… I didn’t know about this one!

Seems to be enough for a plane ticket to France and $5 wrench

What you need to understand is there’s not jack shit you can do besides notifying French officials /filing a criminal report or whatever it’s called there. Yogg has no money, and this means you can spend all the time and money you want to sue him, but what’s that going to do if he’s got no money to pay his victims back.

I’m still blown away by the general lack of understanding of this. The poll asking what should be done with the funds raised for victims of Yoggs scams, easily going in favor of suing Yogg shows a serious lack of understanding of the law and how suing someone works. I believe I’m the only one who’s consulted a European lawyer about this who stated what I already knew. I know because it wasn’t the first time I’ve consulted an attorney about suing someone. Not to mention I’ve worked for a law firm before and we saw theft cases where people wanted to sue all the time.

Has there still been no update on how the donated funds are going to be distributed?  This really isn’t a hard decision people.

   Responded with some questions on your thread.

This works, using Electrum. I tested it on Testnet.
Or this, although slightly more complicated, should work on Bitcoin Core.