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As further as I can remember only I, YOSHIE and one person (Little Mouse) knew about the etc, who asked me few days ago about the loan via telegram. How did you know about that? Are you alt of that person (Little Mouse)? If you are alt of (Little Mouse) why you are not posting from that account.
This is where I have mentioned about that to let the user know that there’s nothing going on- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56600031
If you wanted to keep that information secret, I'm sorry that I publish it here. Extremely sorry, I just wanted to give the update here.
No problem as you have posted it publicly. We have no problem for that. As I didn't know you have posted publicly, I was confused.
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As further as I can remember only I, YOSHIE and one person (Little Mouse) knew about the etc, who asked me few days ago about the loan via telegram. How did you know about that? Are you alt of that person (Little Mouse)? If you are alt of (Little Mouse) why you are not posting from that account.
This is where I have mentioned about that to let the user know that there’s nothing going on- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56600031
If you wanted to keep that information secret, I'm sorry that I publish it here. Extremely sorry, I just wanted to give the update here.
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Not having any information in your loan thread about the continuation of YOSHIE's loan status with you after the last agreement is something that can lead to speculation when the borrower has been inactive for several weeks without a word. that's why my speculation came up against YOSHIE.
Have I used your fund to give the loan? If not why wasting time for it?

Why did you never ask him to submit partial proof of payment in the related thread?
I do not need it. And I don't think it is business any of you out of me and YOSHIE. You may ask anything regarding the loan if I create scam accusation. Until then you should skip about this loan.

Do you only receive interest on your loan with YOSHIE without repaying the principal?
I do not think I should  provide any information to you. It is our business, not you.

160 ETC is the total loan that you mentioned to someone a while ago.
As further as I can remember only I, YOSHIE and one person (Little Mouse) knew about the etc, who asked me few days ago about the loan via telegram. How did you know about that? Are you alt of that person (Little Mouse)? If you are alt of (Little Mouse) why you are not posting from that account.
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I am getting partial repayment almost each month. And I am getting response when I am sending message, so there is no problem about the loan. Even I got partial repayment last month.
Why did you never ask him to submit partial proof of payment in the related thread? Do you only receive interest on your loan with YOSHIE without repaying the principal? 160 ETC is the total loan that you mentioned to someone a while ago. But I stopped speculating about loans after YOSHIE was active and proved itself. The problem is resolved because both of you have other agreements that I cannot interfere with.

Quite frankly, you aren't involved in the repayment so it's none of your business to question loan terms that loaner and loanee have agreed on privately.
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Is adding counter feedback and giving positive trust to someone an appropriate use of the trust system?
Before new system, counter feedback was used to remove red warning message for accounts which were tagged. It can serve to show trust senders that their negative trust is inappropriate and they should remove it (for example, lauda-eddie13 fight IIRC over some words, lauda tagged eddie, 2 users countered feedback then lauda tagged eddie again and feedback was countered again, then lauda decided it is best to remove negative feedback).
@marlboroza: since all negative feedback on OP has been removed, you should probably remove your positive feedback too.
Already done. OP can lock this topic.
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This kind of abuse of the trust system by dt is unfortunate. They act at will and abuse their power to protect their sects, friends and friends. They have broken the trust system and made it an irreplaceable kingdom.
People have been saying this same thing about the trust system and the DT members in it for years now.  I'm not sure if the rotating system has made things better or worse, but with Lauda gone there do seem to be fewer "cliques" within the DT system.

I hadn't read any of your previous posts, OP, so I'm not sure why YOSHIE and the two others tag-teamed you with neutral and negative feedback, but I don't think any of it is justified.  You might have been too persistent in asking YOSHIE to prove her identity (she wasn't gone all that long and I don't think there's any evidence that the account changed hands), but I don't think that's so offensive that it deserves even a neutral, much less ones harshly-worded as the ones you got. 

Everyone involved here should just take a breath and re-evaluate the importance of the issues at hand, which IMO, are not critical.  I don't think a member who's been gone a few weeks should have to sign a message to prove their identity, and I also don't think someone insisting they do so should get blasted on their trust page.  Get a thicker skin and don't leave what amounts to retaliatory feedback for a trivial issue.
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@marlboroza: since all negative feedback on OP has been removed, you should probably remove your positive feedback too.
Is adding counter feedback and giving positive trust to someone an appropriate use of the trust system?
I wouldn't do it. I would use neutral to counter a negative tag if I think it isn't warranted.
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@marlboroza: since all negative feedback on OP has been removed, you should probably remove your positive feedback too.
Is adding counter feedback and giving positive trust to someone an appropriate use of the trust system?

I never agreed with counter-feedbacks. Even if someone is tagged in what I deem to be unfairly in my opinion, I would never give a counter positive trust rating just or the sake of it because there is no justification for it.


My negative rating was left primarily because Fact Finder stated he was using an alt account to post because he did not want using his real account.
I don't think that deserves negative feedback, see:
I don't have a problem with alt accounts as long as they're not used for evading bans. If you're hesitant to say something controversial because you don't want it to be associated with your name, please create an alt account and say it.
I understand what you quoted from theymos (the word controversial was never defined by him so we can interpret that quote differently from person to person) but nutildah summed up the scenario very well in an earlier post in this thread:


It's a low blow to hound a guy over a loan when the lender has expressly made clear that it's all good. And I definitely would not label OP's behavior of throwing shit around to see what sticks as "trustworthy."

Is Yoshie/JollyGood/Timelord's use of the trust system proper in this instance? Probably not. But its not like they are dissuading the next Vitalik Buterin from participating in the forum. This person was likely issued a red trust by Yoshie on another account and now they are trying to get revenge. It's a blind stab at retribution that is totally tactless given Yoshie's recent misfortune.
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So what does this "we communicate" exactly mean? Someone is telling you that they will return you your money then next month they are telling you "don't worry, I will return you your money" then next month they are telling you again "I will return you your money, don't worry" over and over again, until when? I've been there couple of times, don't trust such people with money! They will probably eventually return you money, but the time you have to wait for it...uhhh.
The loan-case gave me the same feeling, but as long as shasan is okay with it, why would anyone else care?

Great! I consider this sorted now.

@marlboroza: since all negative feedback on OP has been removed, you should probably remove your positive feedback too.

My negative rating was left primarily because Fact Finder stated he was using an alt account to post because he did not want using his real account.
I don't think that deserves negative feedback, see:
I don't have a problem with alt accounts as long as they're not used for evading bans. If you're hesitant to say something controversial because you don't want it to be associated with your name, please create an alt account and say it.
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My negative rating was left primarily because Fact Finder stated he was using an alt account to post because he did not want using his real account. The rest of the comment in my rating was secondary.

(For reasons I do not want to state) I have changed the feedback to neutral.


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I think you are missing my point here. Never mind. Send me PM when (if) you and JG remove negative ratings.
I think issuing a positive counter-trust to such an account is an over-reaction; perhaps worse than Yoshie's neg tag on a throwaway account.
Doh! It's not. It is counter-feedback to emotional negative feedbacks, as soon as they remove tags I will remove counter as well.
This Fact Finder account was created purely to stir shit. If they had honest intentions they would have just posted from their main account.
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This person was likely issued a red trust by Yoshie on another account and now they are trying to get revenge. It's a blind stab at retribution that is totally tactless given Yoshie's situation.
What's difference between Fact Finder speculating about Yoshie and you speculating about Fact Finder being alt account of red trust user who is doing this for revenge? Does it mean that you will also get negative feedback?  Tongue
If this kind of action occurs frequently on this forum, the forum will have nothing left to do.

If someone wants to accuse, he can create 1-5 accounts and then discard.
This could happen for you and me, does that make sense.
IF? Shocked Shocked Shocked Where have you been all this time?
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I am also human having a deep feeling of love, so, some of my friends in this forum suggested the best for me on this matter.

As suggested: and my decision: "neutral" for the user: @Fact Finder.

So, I appreciate everyone here, hopefully in the future it will be better for everyone.
Regards.
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My final thought on the subject is if I were in Yoshie's situation and somebody opened a thread demanding to know the latest info about an outstanding loan I had, I wouldn't give them a red trust for it, but I would tell them to go fuck themselves.
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I'm not the one trying to bring down an established cheater buster [...] by slinging some shit about an outstanding loan that affects nobody in any capacity.
Trying to bring someone down by raising question about loan status because account become inactive and asking him to sign message because account changed password, got it. Not to mention that "active loan" neutral feedback showing information of not repaying loan on time. Yeah, that definitely deserve negative feedback.  Roll Eyes

I said they "probably" didn't deserve the feedback.

How hard is it to understand that the loan is none of anybody's business except for that of Shasan and Yoshie? Is Yoshie suddenly asking for loans or money in any capacity? No. As a matter of fact he turned down Timelord's free money. So give it a rest, you're working overtime to defend somebody acting out of revenge and with dishonest intentions.
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I'm not the one trying to bring down an established cheater buster [...] by slinging some shit about an outstanding loan that affects nobody in any capacity.
Trying to bring someone down by raising question about loan status because account become inactive and asking him to sign message because account changed password, got it. Not to mention that "active loan" neutral feedback showing information of not repaying loan on time. Yeah, that definitely deserve negative feedback.  Roll Eyes

On side note, nutildah can you lend me 4000$ I promise I will return you 4400$ in 20 days?  Cheesy
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Nobody owes you anything. Shasan owes you nothing, Yoshie owes you nothing. Stop asking people to do things for you.

If Yoshie removed the negative tag against you, then you'd truly have nothing on him, because the whole loan thing is nothing. So, I do hope he does that. And I'm willing to bet he does understand why its not a good reason to tag people just for criticism.
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Who told you that there is a problem with me regarding the loan?
Not having any information in your loan thread about the continuation of YOSHIE's loan status with you after the last agreement is something that can lead to speculation when the borrower has been inactive for several weeks without a word. that's why my speculation came up against YOSHIE.


I am getting partial repayment almost each month. And I am getting response when I am sending message, so there is no problem about the loan. Even I got partial repayment last month.
Why did you never ask him to submit partial proof of payment in the related thread? Do you only receive interest on your loan with YOSHIE without repaying the principal? 160 ETC is the total loan that you mentioned to someone a while ago. But I stopped speculating about loans after YOSHIE was active and proved itself. The problem is resolved because both of you have other agreements that I cannot interfere with.



Yes: you are not mistaken with me, it's just that you are too careless in judging and responding to someone, you are too reckless in your actions, that is what is called the "employer's eating weapon".
Careless? You just want to maintain your reputation when some of my questions go unanswered during your time off. Why are you so eager to cover my mouth with the power called the trust system? Who is careless now? You are guilty of using the trust system to act as a shield after a few questions I have asked.

It seems, you don't really understand the DT work system, so you think DT is useless stuff, you can tinker with your behavior that looks sloppy and doesn't make sense.
This statement makes me smile YOSHIE. You are the DT1 that has been trusted by several other DT1 users to occupy this position. You're just using the bias of all the open conversations there is that your imagination is telling you I'm trying to attack you. And

Now you have it all, enjoy.
You begin to show me the power you have from the trust system. You are too hypocritical YOSHIE to say that you need to learn better how to use your current strengths. You consider yourself a king of power who can make others believe in your opinion. That is utter foolishness.



It seems like you are unhappy with having received a red tag from Yoshie on a different account and now you are trying to exact vengeance on him. Which isn't cool to begin with, but it's especially not cool seeing as how we tend to believe his story over anything you have to say.
Clearly, you have some personal grudges, resentments, or frustrations against YOSHIE, but you're not man enough to bring them up with your main account
Not a good question. That thread was created with the simple goal of shitsmearing. It's obviously an alt of somebody who was tagged by Yoshie for what could be a legitimate reason.
All this is full of hatred, you start speculating about me even you are stirring up the truth with emotional hatred.

Everyone here who looks so mad at me is stirring up the facts with hatred. The trust system is not the right way to use it as a protection when you never like someone when they are accusing, speculating, asking questions. YOSHIE's selfishness has created new problems so that she cannot truly be trusted.

nutildah, you're nice. Don't let your brain keep thinking that I'm trying to ruin your friend's reputation. He was truly guilty of using the trust  system to solve his problem. Now this case has escalated to abuse of the trust system, so you have no reason to say I can't be trusted. The 3 responses on my profile are evidence of the so-called abuse of the trust system.




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What's difference between Fact Finder speculating about Yoshie and you speculating about Fact Finder being alt account of red trust user who is doing this for revenge? Does it mean that you will also get negative feedback?  Tongue

I'm not the one trying to bring down an established cheater buster - currently recovering from an accident of some sort - by slinging some shit about an outstanding loan that affects nobody in any capacity. I've received negative feedback for far less.
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I think you are missing my point here. Never mind. Send me PM when (if) you and JG remove negative ratings.
I think issuing a positive counter-trust to such an account is an over-reaction; perhaps worse than Yoshie's neg tag on a throwaway account.
Doh! It's not. It is counter-feedback to emotional negative feedbacks, as soon as they remove tags I will remove counter as well.
This Fact Finder account was created purely to stir shit. If they had honest intentions they would have just posted from their main account.
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This person was likely issued a red trust by Yoshie on another account and now they are trying to get revenge. It's a blind stab at retribution that is totally tactless given Yoshie's situation.
What's difference between Fact Finder speculating about Yoshie and you speculating about Fact Finder being alt account of red trust user who is doing this for revenge? Does it mean that you will also get negative feedback?  Tongue
If this kind of action occurs frequently on this forum, the forum will have nothing left to do.

If someone wants to accuse, he can create 1-5 accounts and then discard.
This could happen for you and me, does that make sense.
IF? Shocked Shocked Shocked Where have you been all this time?
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Any of that left on this forum?
So tell me how a good system works.

I have feelings too and @JollyGood, @Timelord2067, should take it too.

I might be able to change my mind to change the word neutral or delete it.
Let's end this dispute, if at all possible.



Whereas a calm factual statement in italic can carry the same warning without misusing the trust system.
I also appreciate both of them in the decision of trust that I give.

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If this kind of action occurs frequently on this forum, the forum will have nothing left to do.

If someone wants to accuse, he can create 1-5 accounts and then discard.
This could happen for you and me, does that make sense.



IF? Shocked Shocked Shocked Where have you been all this time?
Already seen this one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/clarification-yoshie-5325469

Sad no.

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