You are the product. Corporations spying on us deeper than we thought?

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Quote from: barisbilgili on December 07, 2023, 10:35:20 PM

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People accuse TikTok that are spying on everyone's device. Everyone doesn't realize that every app that we have on our own that we have permitted to that we don't seem to care about at all is spying on us.
They get our privacy and data that's sent to them upon downloading and installing them.
Everyone is right that we are their products and things that we're taking on internet for free, they are not really free at all because there's a consequence of obtaining them.

Maybe some people don't really understand when installing applications on their cellphones and allowing access to their cellphones so that they can find out about what we do on our cellphones. If we install dangerous applications and also allow access to our cellphones, of course this will be very dangerous. data that we store on the cellphone.

It will indeed be very vulnerable to free applications that ask for access to the cellphone we have and there is no guarantee for the data on our cellphone, currently there is nothing that is truly free in this life, of course there are consequences for what we have done. use and very few people are aware of this.

It's really scary to acknowledge that the potential risks associated with installing applications and granting access to personal data on smartphones is indeed crucial in today's digital age. Many users may not fully be aware of the implications of allowing certain apps access to their devices. Reminding the danger of installing random applications and the importance of being cautious about granting permissions is very important. Free applications often come with a hidden cost, and users need to be aware of the risks for the security of their data.

Your point about the lack of true free services and the existence of consequences for our actions in the digital realm is well taken. Users need to be more conscious of the apps they install. Reviewing permission requests critically and prioritizing their digital security are so essential. I think it's recommended that smartphone containing important data is not being used to install other random applications.

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Quote from: serveria.com on November 21, 2023, 03:31:14 PM

Ok, everybody knows we are being spied on by the corporations like Google, Meta, Microsoft etc. That's a pretty well-known fact and is generally accepted by the public. However, I started noticing some alarming facts recently: I am being offered stuff I mention while I'm on the phone. Then, I noticed they're offering stuff I mention while chatting with my family while the phone is located somewhere in the room.

Finally, what's really scary, today I was talking to someone (while my phone was nearby) regarding a car key. I started using my phone a bit later and I was shocked to find out there's an ad containing the very same Merc key we were discussing and I was holding in my hands! Then suddenly I realized this is not the first time something like that happens. Which means that the phone is listening? (recording?) to our conversations and possibly also filming the whole thing?

Can we discuss it? Perhaps I'm overreacting or being paranoid and there's a simple explanation for this? Roll Eyes

Same, I think also. who has experienced targeted ads triggered by conversations. it's possible they track online behavior for targeted advertising. That seems to be the aim. So whether it's Google or Meta (Facebook), what they really need is data racking on consumer conversation history. it's for their business, not for crime, that's what I think.

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The pervasiveness of corporate "spying" extends far beyond the realm of fictional nightmares. While the collection of user data through cookies and social media interactions is undeniably pervasive, it's primarily driven by the insatiable commercial appetite for personalization in advertising and marketing strategies. However, under this seemingly innocuous facade lies a potential threat to individual privacy and autonomy that demands deeper contemplation.

The ability to track and analyze individual behavior online empowers corporations to craft detailed profiles, predict future actions, and ultimately, influence our choices. This personalized manipulation manifests in targeted advertising that often feels intrusive and exploitative, shaping our desires and influencing our decisions in ways we may not even be aware of. The fear of such intrusive surveillance is not a figment of the imagination. Numerous instances of government overreach and corporate data breaches serve as stark reminders of the potential dangers lurking within our increasingly data-driven world.

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Quote from: serveria.com on November 21, 2023, 03:31:14 PM

Ok, everybody knows we are being spied on by the corporations like Google, Meta, Microsoft etc. That's a pretty well-known fact and is generally accepted by the public. However, I started noticing some alarming facts recently: I am being offered stuff I mention while I'm on the phone. Then, I noticed they're offering stuff I mention while chatting with my family while the phone is located somewhere in the room.

Finally, what's really scary, today I was talking to someone (while my phone was nearby) regarding a car key. I started using my phone a bit later and I was shocked to find out there's an ad containing the very same Merc key we were discussing and I was holding in my hands! Then suddenly I realized this is not the first time something like that happens. Which means that the phone is listening? (recording?) to our conversations and possibly also filming the whole thing?

Can we discuss it? Perhaps I'm overreacting or being paranoid and there's a simple explanation for this? Roll Eyes

this issue regarding infiltrating into ones privacy is becoming seriously alarming. If it's true that these companies access people conversation and might even go to the extent of recording you, I think it had become a serious issue.

The thing about granting permission to most apps is that if you recuse them access to your location, camera, calendar and other key things, they might not even give you the access to effectively use most of the features that are in the app.

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Quote from: barisbilgili on December 07, 2023, 10:35:20 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on December 05, 2023, 07:15:07 PM

People accuse TikTok that are spying on everyone's device. Everyone doesn't realize that every app that we have on our own that we have permitted to that we don't seem to care about at all is spying on us.
They get our privacy and data that's sent to them upon downloading and installing them.
Everyone is right that we are their products and things that we're taking on internet for free, they are not really free at all because there's a consequence of obtaining them.

Maybe some people don't really understand when installing applications on their cellphones and allowing access to their cellphones so that they can find out about what we do on our cellphones. If we install dangerous applications and also allow access to our cellphones, of course this will be very dangerous. data that we store on the cellphone.

It will indeed be very vulnerable to free applications that ask for access to the cellphone we have and there is no guarantee for the data on our cellphone, currently there is nothing that is truly free in this life, of course there are consequences for what we have done. use and very few people are aware of this.

But what are "dangerous applications"? Is Facebook "dangerous"? Is Google "dangerous"? Google comes preinstalled on some or all Android devices if I'm not mistaken? And regarding access, I have already mentioned above: how can we not grant Instagram, for example, access to our cameras? It's kind of defeats the whole purpose of that app.

If we can remember the case of Mark Zuckerberg about some informations or private data of some users, I think that would be one of the thing that could be considered dangerous, since people can't do anything but the team itself to fix the issue. These apps are legal and would literally assure someone's data to be safe and secured but the thing is once we used their application they would literally have any information about us like for example the IP address, emails, password and etc. which literally supports the idea of "we are the product" cause people have no choice but to use it, only people could do is to customized their settings by their limiting their access for every app like in the Instagram, where they could only get to use the camera once I only open the app.

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Quote from: barisbilgili on December 07, 2023, 10:35:20 PM

Quote from: batang_bitcoin on December 05, 2023, 07:15:07 PM

People accuse TikTok that are spying on everyone's device. Everyone doesn't realize that every app that we have on our own that we have permitted to that we don't seem to care about at all is spying on us.
They get our privacy and data that's sent to them upon downloading and installing them.
Everyone is right that we are their products and things that we're taking on internet for free, they are not really free at all because there's a consequence of obtaining them.

Maybe some people don't really understand when installing applications on their cellphones and allowing access to their cellphones so that they can find out about what we do on our cellphones. If we install dangerous applications and also allow access to our cellphones, of course this will be very dangerous. data that we store on the cellphone.

It will indeed be very vulnerable to free applications that ask for access to the cellphone we have and there is no guarantee for the data on our cellphone, currently there is nothing that is truly free in this life, of course there are consequences for what we have done. use and very few people are aware of this.

But what are "dangerous applications"? Is Facebook "dangerous"? Is Google "dangerous"? Google comes preinstalled on some or all Android devices if I'm not mistaken? And regarding access, I have already mentioned above: how can we not grant Instagram, for example, access to our cameras? It's kind of defeats the whole purpose of that app.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on December 05, 2023, 07:15:07 PM

People accuse TikTok that are spying on everyone's device. Everyone doesn't realize that every app that we have on our own that we have permitted to that we don't seem to care about at all is spying on us.
They get our privacy and data that's sent to them upon downloading and installing them.
Everyone is right that we are their products and things that we're taking on internet for free, they are not really free at all because there's a consequence of obtaining them.

Maybe some people don't really understand when installing applications on their cellphones and allowing access to their cellphones so that they can find out about what we do on our cellphones. If we install dangerous applications and also allow access to our cellphones, of course this will be very dangerous. data that we store on the cellphone.

It will indeed be very vulnerable to free applications that ask for access to the cellphone we have and there is no guarantee for the data on our cellphone, currently there is nothing that is truly free in this life, of course there are consequences for what we have done. use and very few people are aware of this.

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Quote from: DabsPoorVersion on December 06, 2023, 05:04:21 AM

Quote from: serveria.com on December 05, 2023, 04:18:49 PM

Quote from: Hamphser on December 05, 2023, 04:11:50 PM

Hmm lets just separate this kind of topic about on trying out to correlate Bitcoins privacy thing considering that we are really that trying out to make talks or explains about those companies are really that
trying to hear off on what are the words that we are basically be discussing on the sense that they did really come into a point that even on just talking beside with your phone with other people
does automatically giving out suggestions basing up on what you had discussed. When it comes to privacy then it do really crosses out that line because it does really remove out that real essence
of privacy.

It do really just turns out that they are really that desperate on trying to hook up buyers or clients basing up on what they are looking for. They do really need to reach out
into that kind of certain extent for the sake of profits or revenue on which this is something not ethical to be done anymore. If this one had been proved out then people would be making out those discussions and casual talking which they might be turning off their phones. Grin

Not many people can afford to turn off their phones frequently. Many are using their phones for business and are waiting for important calls. Turning off a phone can ruin their business.

To me it's kinda clear that it's already happening. Just would like to know how is that possible.

It only becomes possible because every application on our mobile phones has access/permission to everything we search online. In online, everything is connected. We no longer have our privacy the time we connect to the internet. We have nothing to do with that. Like if you search for shoes online, every ad that appears on your mobile screen will be about shoes.

Aside from the permissions on applications, if you see a prompt every time you open a certain website asking if you allow cookies, it's either you accept all cookies or reject it. Internet cookies are bits of data, by this, they (the main server) can identify the user, prepare for web pages/searches, or even save the site login info for you.

We unthinkingly choose privacy over convenience. Our apps need access, but where do we draw the line? Consider that every online search leaves a digital footprint. This data helps companies customize adverts, services, and content. Imagine entering a room where everyone knows your name and preferences. Freaky, right? But wait - isn't this also convenient? Doesn't time pass faster when commercials are more relevant?

The cookie issue follows. We leave cookies like internet breadcrumbs. They help websites remember us, improving our experience. But they also let firms track our internet activity. Double-edged sword, right? We love personalized content but lose privacy. What's the answer? More data use transparency from companies? Stricter rules? Should people be more mindful of their digital footprints? It's a challenging choice, but in the digital era, ignorance is risky

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Quote from: serveria.com on December 05, 2023, 04:18:49 PM

Quote from: Hamphser on December 05, 2023, 04:11:50 PM

Hmm lets just separate this kind of topic about on trying out to correlate Bitcoins privacy thing considering that we are really that trying out to make talks or explains about those companies are really that
trying to hear off on what are the words that we are basically be discussing on the sense that they did really come into a point that even on just talking beside with your phone with other people
does automatically giving out suggestions basing up on what you had discussed. When it comes to privacy then it do really crosses out that line because it does really remove out that real essence
of privacy.

It do really just turns out that they are really that desperate on trying to hook up buyers or clients basing up on what they are looking for. They do really need to reach out
into that kind of certain extent for the sake of profits or revenue on which this is something not ethical to be done anymore. If this one had been proved out then people would be making out those discussions and casual talking which they might be turning off their phones. Grin

Not many people can afford to turn off their phones frequently. Many are using their phones for business and are waiting for important calls. Turning off a phone can ruin their business.

To me it's kinda clear that it's already happening. Just would like to know how is that possible.

It only becomes possible because every application on our mobile phones has access/permission to everything we search online. In online, everything is connected. We no longer have our privacy the time we connect to the internet. We have nothing to do with that. Like if you search for shoes online, every ad that appears on your mobile screen will be about shoes.

Aside from the permissions on applications, if you see a prompt every time you open a certain website asking if you allow cookies, it's either you accept all cookies or reject it. Internet cookies are bits of data, by this, they (the main server) can identify the user, prepare for web pages/searches, or even save the site login info for you.

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People accuse TikTok that are spying on everyone's device. Everyone doesn't realize that every app that we have on our own that we have permitted to that we don't seem to care about at all is spying on us.
They get our privacy and data that's sent to them upon downloading and installing them.
Everyone is right that we are their products and things that we're taking on internet for free, they are not really free at all because there's a consequence of obtaining them.

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In one way or the other we give access as well as accept their terms and conditions unknowingly. Through this we give access to the media, as well as the mic, maybe through that its happening. Everything have turned to be a big business and data sharing is more commonly taking place. Recently had an experience, how data are being gathered for few cents and got shared. Bought a chips packet and in that there's a cashback which can be claimed. Tried to claim and it requests for our entire data starting from mobile number to our address. I did everything and finally the terms and conditions, tried to read and found out a term which is really interesting. Accepting the terms and conditions means you're agreeing to share the data gathered to the sister concerns of the firm. These days spying the consumers based on their interest have turned to be common and this needs to be rectified.

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Quote from: Hamphser on December 05, 2023, 04:11:50 PM

Hmm lets just separate this kind of topic about on trying out to correlate Bitcoins privacy thing considering that we are really that trying out to make talks or explains about those companies are really that
trying to hear off on what are the words that we are basically be discussing on the sense that they did really come into a point that even on just talking beside with your phone with other people
does automatically giving out suggestions basing up on what you had discussed. When it comes to privacy then it do really crosses out that line because it does really remove out that real essence
of privacy.

It do really just turns out that they are really that desperate on trying to hook up buyers or clients basing up on what they are looking for. They do really need to reach out
into that kind of certain extent for the sake of profits or revenue on which this is something not ethical to be done anymore. If this one had been proved out then people would be making out those discussions and casual talking which they might be turning off their phones. Grin

Not many people can afford to turn off their phones frequently. Many are using their phones for business and are waiting for important calls. Turning off a phone can ruin their business.

To me it's kinda clear that it's already happening. Just would like to know how is that possible.

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Quote from: davis196 on November 28, 2023, 08:00:47 AM

I don't know about whether or nor our smartphones are recording us. I usually hate wearing my smartphone in my pockets and I don't keep my smartphone turned on for very long periods of time. You can do an experiment to prove your theory. Talk about something in front of your smartphone and then do a Google search(or Bing search) about the thing you talked about.

It's true that it's likely not wise to "trust" your smartphone but I don't think we can jump into the conclusion that devices are actively listening on us at all times. It is definitely possible but I can see it more likely to be targeted and not used on the masses because of the inherent risks for the party doing it incase it's revealed.

What I personally think is that people underestimate the vast amount of information that can be inferred by what you and your friends/family do online. Just by browsing something, the advertisers can infer another, seemingly unrelated thing about it. That's more likely how these suggestions come to be. You also need to understand that it's not just your personal activity online. If someone you know has let a social media platform access to their contacts, that means you will be easily connected to that person too.

There's so much information that can be gathered and inferred indirectly without the need for spying directly. The problem is that a lot of the "spying" is perfectly legal.

Today's internet exchanges are closely examined. This is advanced behavioral prediction, not observation. Companies are monitoring not only what we do but also why and what we might do next. Despite our online activity being deciphered, Bitcoin stands out. It signals a move toward private, controlled finance. Bitcoin challenges online transparency. It provides some privacy in a world when our every move is tracked and analyzed

Consider the legality and ethics of this'spying.' A complex web of legal and moral issues. However, Bitcoin triumphs here again. It represents a growing financial privacy and autonomy movement, not merely a digital asset. Bitcoin is a beacon of financial self-determination in a data-driven world. Not just its value, but the values it embodies. In this age of digital scrutiny, Bitcoin is more than a financial option

Hmm lets just separate this kind of topic about on trying out to correlate Bitcoins privacy thing considering that we are really that trying out to make talks or explains about those companies are really that
trying to hear off on what are the words that we are basically be discussing on the sense that they did really come into a point that even on just talking beside with your phone with other people
does automatically giving out suggestions basing up on what you had discussed. When it comes to privacy then it do really crosses out that line because it does really remove out that real essence
of privacy.

It do really just turns out that they are really that desperate on trying to hook up buyers or clients basing up on what they are looking for. They do really need to reach out
into that kind of certain extent for the sake of profits or revenue on which this is something not ethical to be done anymore. If this one had been proved out then
people would be making out those discussions and casual talking which they might be turning off their phones. Grin

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Quote from: Natsuu on December 01, 2023, 05:18:12 AM

I dont think they’re eavesdropping. I thought about that too and I thought that maybe they just know the pattern of my vibe from online stuff or I may not know it but I am already browsing the thing that I want. It's understandable to feel concerned, but it's more likely that targeted ads are based on your online activity and preferences rather than direct audio or video surveillance. Ad algorithms analyze various data points to personalize content I really think thats scary. Thats why we should be careful online.

It is true that a lot can be inferred from the information that you willingly give to those companies, similar to what happens when you watch a movie in an app and then you get a bunch of movies recommended to you that other people liked, so the more data you give to the app the more accurate accurate can be the predictions of your tastes, however when there is such a timely response on their part for something you have never expressed any desire and suddenly it appears out of nowhere being recommended to you, this makes me think there are grounds to think that they are going further on their search for more data than what we have agreed on their TOS.

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I dont think they’re eavesdropping. I thought about that too and I thought that maybe they just know the pattern of my vibe from online stuff or I may not know it but I am already browsing the thing that I want. It's understandable to feel concerned, but it's more likely that targeted ads are based on your online activity and preferences rather than direct audio or video surveillance. Ad algorithms analyze various data points to personalize content I really think thats scary. Thats why we should be careful online.

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Quote from: davis196 on November 28, 2023, 08:00:47 AM

I don't agree that we are being "spied" by Google, Meta and Microsoft. By using those platforms, we are giving our permission for our data to be used for marketing purposes. It's not spying if you are aware that your online behavior is being tracked. Grin

Spying is only when you don't know.
I don't know about whether or nor our smartphones are recording us. I usually hate wearing my smartphone in my pockets and I don't keep my smartphone turned on for very long periods of time. You can do an experiment to prove your theory. Talk about something in front of your smartphone and then do a Google search(or Bing search) about the thing you talked about.

Users of social networks give permission to collect and analyze general information about them, but we do not know whether this collected information is being used in good faith, or whether additional information is being collected that we would not like to make public. And this is definitely happening. Today's technological devices provide us with much more convenience, but they take away our privacy.

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Quote from: BoXXoB on November 28, 2023, 02:55:42 PM

Quote from: davis196 on November 28, 2023, 08:00:47 AM

I don't know about whether or nor our smartphones are recording us. I usually hate wearing my smartphone in my pockets and I don't keep my smartphone turned on for very long periods of time. You can do an experiment to prove your theory. Talk about something in front of your smartphone and then do a Google search(or Bing search) about the thing you talked about.

It's true that it's likely not wise to "trust" your smartphone but I don't think we can jump into the conclusion that devices are actively listening on us at all times. It is definitely possible but I can see it more likely to be targeted and not used on the masses because of the inherent risks for the party doing it incase it's revealed.

What I personally think is that people underestimate the vast amount of information that can be inferred by what you and your friends/family do online. Just by browsing something, the advertisers can infer another, seemingly unrelated thing about it. That's more likely how these suggestions come to be. You also need to understand that it's not just your personal activity online. If someone you know has let a social media platform access to their contacts, that means you will be easily connected to that person too.

There's so much information that can be gathered and inferred indirectly without the need for spying directly. The problem is that a lot of the "spying" is perfectly legal.

Today's internet exchanges are closely examined. This is advanced behavioral prediction, not observation. Companies are monitoring not only what we do but also why and what we might do next. Despite our online activity being deciphered, Bitcoin stands out. It signals a move toward private, controlled finance. Bitcoin challenges online transparency. It provides some privacy in a world when our every move is tracked and analyzed

Consider the legality and ethics of this'spying.' A complex web of legal and moral issues. However, Bitcoin triumphs here again. It represents a growing financial privacy and autonomy movement, not merely a digital asset. Bitcoin is a beacon of financial self-determination in a data-driven world. Not just its value, but the values it embodies. In this age of digital scrutiny, Bitcoin is more than a financial option

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Quote from: icalical on November 28, 2023, 11:00:16 PM

Though I agree that this is still an unconfirmed conspiracy theory, but I have read some articles related to this phenomena more than one year ago, now I am not sure if this is the exactly same article but this is the talking about the same thing https://www.narcity.com/why-you-keep-getting-ads-for-things-youve-talked-about-but-havent-searched-up-online

There is actually some free mobile games on playstore/appstore that has an implemented software to listen to our conversation, and the player mostly granted access to the mic because they need to use the in-game voice chat features. Other explanation is that the they combine data and algorythm like they know that you own a car, and the algorythm approximating when you need to get a new car key.

Yes, but I've never played games on my phone. There are no games installed and the phone is after a factory reset.

Besides, I don't own the car as mentioned in my previous posts, the owner just handed me the key and I was holding it in my hands for some time that's it. I have no info on whether the key was indeed not functioning as intended. So yeah, there are more questions than answers here.

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Though I agree that this is still an unconfirmed conspiracy theory, but I have read some articles related to this phenomena more than one year ago, now I am not sure if this is the exactly same article but this is the talking about the same thing https://www.narcity.com/why-you-keep-getting-ads-for-things-youve-talked-about-but-havent-searched-up-online

There is actually some free mobile games on playstore/appstore that has an implemented software to listen to our conversation, and the player mostly granted access to the mic because they need to use the in-game voice chat features. Other explanation is that the they combine data and algorythm like they know that you own a car, and the algorythm approximating when you need to get a new car key.

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There's a more obvious and logical explanation: the guy had been GPS tracked to the shop and inside the shop. In my case, it's really not that obvious. I have no idea how they found out about that defective part (read my post above) as I wasn't on the phone with anyone, the camera wasn't functioning as the phone was in my pocket. I also didn't communicate with anyone while on premises. What kind of black magic is that? Huh

There's probably a reasonable explanation here too. I bet you googled it or texted someone about it and just forgot. If not, then we're getting into real conspiracy theory territory where, like in Orwell's 1984, big brother is always watching us.

I mean technology sure makes it feel that way sometimes. but I dont really buy that our phones are spying on us or reading our minds. and There are just patterns we don't always notice - we search for something earlier without remembering, then are surprised when ads seem psychic. Or it's coincidence. But logical brain says there's gotta be a rational reason.

I'm pretty sure I didn't. I swear I didn't even know what that spare part was called until I saw the ads. Frankly, I still don't know what it's called even now. It's some kind of a plastic housing with high pressure hose connections. How could I google it? I'd really like to know how they're doing it...

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