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Topic: Your prayers are answered, first STEEM fork arrives, how high will it go? (Read 2034 times)

sr. member
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and a paid STEEM employee too obviously

the entire point is to distribute the currency to as many people as possible who would engage in commerce with the token, because that is the only future that will make the token valuable.

The entire point is to make the network valuable to the people so they use it.  Who cares what the coin is worth as long as people can be compensated adequately for their productive work.

Only speculators care about the value of their tokens.  

That might be the entire point of a simple chain like bitcoin, but a smartchain like STEEM or PeerPlays is designed for an entirely different purpose.

You don't seem to understand that the paid blogging is just a gimmick to onboard users and distribute the currency, to enable building a much bigger and more diverse transactions ecosystem.

Once you understand this, it becomes clear there are many other related designs which are much better than Steem.

Stay tuned...
legendary
Activity: 1588
Merit: 1000
Like the asshole decision not to release a Windows binary of steemd = massive, deliberate security hole...
How much money can one put in an account secured ONLY by an unregulated, centralized web site targeted by every hacket out there?

Are you lamenting the inability to access accounts from a Windows client and thus forcing Windows users to access it through Steemit?

IMO, the only way to have a secure account on Steemit is to use the steemd CLI wallet and API...
And only use the posting key on the insecure, by definition, centralized web site.

As a fact, Linux runs on about 2.3% of desktops...
And there are very good reasons why 47% of all desktops are STILL running Win 7.

https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

Steemit has never released ANY steemd binaries, ever to my knowledge (some 3rd parties have)...
But many can compile the Linux version and run it in either VMware PLayer and VirualBox...
But compiling the Windows binary is really the domain of guys who code C++ every day.

So again, Steemit creates a 2 tier system where whales are running blockchain secure steemd...
But the schmuck who has $1,000 invested and is #1500 on the Rich List must rely on web site level security.

And they are arrogant assholes about it, plus they hard fork every 2-3 weeks...
So I'm done investing another penny in STEEM...
Until they provide CLI wallet binaries for everyone like most $50,000 shit coins do out of the box.

full member
Activity: 143
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Yes the whales own the keys to the marketing budget, and the best way to convince them to upvote you is to post stuff that shows how you marketed Steemit to the masses. 

STEEM is just a coin with a marketing budget controlled by the owners, that's all.

Pretty simple and effective business model, it seems.

Now Charlie Shrem is posting on Steemit exclusively.

All the big bitcoin celebs are showing up there to get paid to promote crypto.  And if you are normally a crypto promoter who does it for[size=40pt] free like Amanda B Johnson[/size], or Mad Bitcoins, then of course you are going to at least post parallel on Steemit.

That is the model.  You ain't going to make a million posting cooking tutorials anywhere.

she is a paid dash employee
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 265
STEEM is just a coin with a marketing budget controlled by the owners, that's all.

The main problem is that the entire point is to distribute the currency to as many people as possible who would engage in commerce with the token, because that is the only future that will make the token valuable.

But with the concentration of the blogging rewards into a few 1000s of authors wallets, the remaining 93% have not been brought into the platform and quit. Even if they continue on only as readers, they haven't been onboarded with tokens.
sr. member
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Merit: 265
Steemit...They basically lost me when Dan posted his insane plan to have a "whale curation bot arms race"...
And force people to read only garbage dictated by bots in a 30 minute window...
If I see another "Steem changed my life" or "here's more pics no one cares about" I'm gonna hurl.

I had all the same reactions to those specifics.

My follow up:

But the problem is if we successfully spread the rewards out, then authors won't hardly be earning anything. Then why would 20,000 bloggers switch from Medium, and even Facebook and other more powerful competitors are adding blogging features. The voting paradigm is inherently dysfunctional and I am intending to do something about this soon.


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and get the feeling of ownership back!

You can't because the whales own it. So there is a class war. And if we spread out the ownership uniformly then no one has any control and more over no one has any profit because we are just debasing ourselves to pay ourselves uniformly.

The paradigm is fundamentally broken.
hero member
Activity: 2912
Merit: 541
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i think steem will not go high like the others. i watched on polo, its really slow movement and i don't know what is happen with STEEM. but maybe after fork, i will watch STEEM again to watch is there any good movement or not and can give me profit or not.
sr. member
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Merit: 265
...

"Tsu users, meanwhile, didn’t come because they cared about connecting – they came for the money. That never ends well."

I am thinking it is okay if money is part of the initial motivation that separates the project from the existing social networks, for as long as they stay for the features which are unique. Money is okay as an onboarding gimmick.

Also I am very much okay if those unique features help them to build successful money making businesses.

Tsu's problem is it didn't offer anything. Even the money was paltry (because afaik it was coming from advertising/sponsorships).

Steemit...They basically lost me when Dan posted his insane plan to have a "whale curation bot arms race"...
And force people to read only garbage dictated by bots in a 30 minute window...
If I see another "Steem changed my life" or "here's more pics no one cares about" I'm gonna hurl.

I had all the same reactions to those specifics.

Imagine if Amazon had 50 college age millionaires pick the only products you can see and buy...
As opposed to real people who work... and spent hard-earned money to buy the item... and write a sincere review...
It's a good parallel because books and music are very widely reviewed on Amazon.

Apt analogy. See my latest post about Leah McHenry.

This is the whole problem with having engineers design consumer products...
They have no concept of what usability means for an average person... or the 1000 other options they have.

I am an engineer who also understands the marketing side.

Like the asshole decision not to release a Windows binary of steemd = massive, deliberate security hole...
How much money can one put in an account secured ONLY by an unregulated, centralized web site targeted by every hacket out there?

Are you lamenting the inability to access accounts from a Windows client and thus forcing Windows users to access it through Steemit?
legendary
Activity: 1588
Merit: 1000
Opposing viewpoint aka my 2 cents:

I am thinking there is a very easy way to determine if Steem or any competitor such as Peerplays is failing.

As @xtester wrote in his most recent blog, it is all about the rate of growth. Which is what I've been saying.

Seems Steem signups are averaging in the rough neighborhood of 1000 per day and are not increasing. Of these, about 80+% become inactive within 30 days or less (xtester claims 66% but I think he is fooled by a recent reacceleration of signups and my prior calculations showed 80+%).

So with actually about 200 signups per day, that is ... drumroll please ... a humongous 73,000 active users after 1 year.

And we don't know how many of those are bots. And we don't know how many of those will quit within a year.

73,000 users is freckle on an elephants ass when we are talking about the economies-of-scale in networking that are necessary to make a social network (and merchant) ecosystem viable.

Even if we increase that by an order-of-magnitude, at 730,000 users in one year, it is still at least an order-of-magnitude insufficient.

There is a deeper point. The Steem adoption rate numbers are indicative of lack of viral spread. The signups are merely barely replacing attrition. Intuitively I am nearly certain that the reason is because there is no compelling networking of the reason to signup.

Try to understand the reason people signed up for other social networks. It was because they did something very unique and in high demand. So when all your friends were joining, you caved in and joined too.

Steem has none of those attributes. It doesn't do something very unique that is in high demand. And not all of my friends are joining. The reason is because most people don't give a fuck about storage persistance and censorship resistance, and blogging to earn $ is not something most people can do well (and besides it is not immediately gratification and requires a lot of work, both of which are things the masses hate).

Sorry you need a new formula and Peerplays can repeat this same mistake but it won't cross the chasm.

I have a plan and a design and now I've chosen a 5 letter, one syllable name.

Paid social network Tsu shuts down, claimed to have 2 million users in 2015.

Money quote:

"Tsu users, meanwhile, didn’t come because they cared about connecting – they came for the money. That never ends well."

https://techcrunch.com/2016/08/16/spammy-social-network-tsu-shuts-down/

Steemit posting metrics are DOWN 30% from their peak in late July...

https://steemle.com/charts.php


They basically lost me when Dan posted his insane plan to have a "whale curation bot arms race"...
And force people to read only garbage dictated by bots in a 30 minute window...
If I see another "Steem changed my life" or "here's more pics no one cares about" I'm gonna hurl.

Imagine if Amazon had 50 college age millionaires pick the only products you can see and buy...
As opposed to real people who work... and spent hard-earned money to buy the item... and write a sincere review...
It's a good parallel because books and music are very widely reviewed on Amazon.

This is the whole problem with having engineers design consumer products...
They have no concept of what usability means for an average person... or the 1000 other options they have.

Like the asshole decision not to release a Windows binary of steemd = massive, deliberate security hole...
How much money can one put in an account secured ONLY by an unregulated, centralized web site targeted by every hacket out there?

 
 

legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1087
I don't have a freaking clue how steem works, but I do know it's all about social network. more so than any other type of coin, if you don't got the users you don't have anything. where would a fork find fresh meat?
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1011
FUD Philanthropist™
That's becoming more and more blatant. That will go nowhere. I don't understand what is your problem with a premine. The developpers can't live from some random "tahnk you" Roll Eyes...

Then don't make coin #3,126

No one is pointing a gun to their head saying they HAVE to make some lame scammy ass ICO shitcoin.

It's called creating a problem to sell you the solution
Besides.. it's all lies & games and bullshit anyway.

Take BlockNET you all defended.
He said he coded 75% of it before posting here on the forum with his jpeg ANN topic.
..asking for 1 million in BTC.
I asked him for what ? Why so much i said ?
He said here on the forum "to insure it's a success"

So him sitting at home he coded 75% that makes it worth what now ? 3 million in BTC ?

Over a year later he has pissed off his supporters when they ask what is happening ?
All he has done is say one day.. coming soon etc
He's done nothing but take his fortune and wander off with it while posting excuses.
AND.. he could not even cover paying the domain on one of his sites !
I guess 1 million just doesn't go as far as it used to huh ?

Spare me  Roll Eyes
You are all fucking full of shit period.
Just shit-fuck ton of scammers fucking people in the ass with Ponzi schemes.

Launch an ICO ?
I hope to see you in jail for fraud.

Want money ?
Get a job brats.

"Developers" can eat my shit.
hero member
Activity: 756
Merit: 502
Opposing viewpoint aka my 2 cents:

I am thinking there is a very easy way to determine if Steem or any competitor such as Peerplays is failing.

As @xtester wrote in his most recent blog, it is all about the rate of growth. Which is what I've been saying.

Seems Steem signups are averaging in the rough neighborhood of 1000 per day and are not increasing. Of these, about 80+% become inactive within 30 days or less (xtester claims 66% but I think he is fooled by a recent reacceleration of signups and my prior calculations showed 80+%).

So with actually about 200 signups per day, that is ... drumroll please ... a humongous 73,000 active users after 1 year.

And we don't know how many of those are bots. And we don't know how many of those will quit within a year.

73,000 users is freckle on an elephants ass when we are talking about the economies-of-scale in networking that are necessary to make a social network (and merchant) ecosystem viable.

Even if we increase that by an order-of-magnitude, at 730,000 users in one year, it is still at least an order-of-magnitude insufficient.

There is a deeper point. The Steem adoption rate numbers are indicative of lack of viral spread. The signups are merely barely replacing attrition. Intuitively I am nearly certain that the reason is because there is no compelling networking of the reason to signup.

Try to understand the reason people signed up for other social networks. It was because they did something very unique and in high demand. So when all your friends were joining, you caved in and joined too.

Steem has none of those attributes. It doesn't do something very unique that is in high demand. And not all of my friends are joining. The reason is because most people don't give a fuck about storage persistance and censorship resistance, and blogging to earn $ is not something most people can do well (and besides it is not immediately gratification and requires a lot of work, both of which are things the masses hate).

Sorry you need a new formula and Peerplays can repeat this same mistake but it won't cross the chasm.

I have a plan and a design and now I've chosen a 5 letter, one syllable name.

What's being said in the quote is not very clever. I don't think that there's many altcoins that have 73 000 users, and even less when you take 730 000 !
hero member
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in my opinion, i hope STEEM will not go like ETH with ETC or DAO. because if this happen with STEEM, then i think it will make STEEM go down below. in coinmarketcap, STEEM in number 4, i think i will wait for this weeks and i hope there is a good news from the dev.
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Your title is factually incorrect, OP. I prayed for waking up to a new Lambo on my front lawn and it isn't there!
sr. member
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Opposing viewpoint aka my 2 cents:

I am thinking there is a very easy way to determine if Steem or any competitor such as Peerplays is failing.

As @xtester wrote in his most recent blog, it is all about the rate of growth. Which is what I've been saying.

Seems Steem signups are averaging in the rough neighborhood of 1000 per day and are not increasing. Of these, about 80+% become inactive within 30 days or less (xtester claims 66% but I think he is fooled by a recent reacceleration of signups and my prior calculations showed 80+%).

So with actually about 200 signups per day, that is ... drumroll please ... a humongous 73,000 active users after 1 year.

And we don't know how many of those are bots. And we don't know how many of those will quit within a year.

73,000 users is freckle on an elephants ass when we are talking about the economies-of-scale in networking that are necessary to make a social network (and merchant) ecosystem viable.

Even if we increase that by an order-of-magnitude, at 730,000 users in one year, it is still at least an order-of-magnitude insufficient.

There is a deeper point. The Steem adoption rate numbers are indicative of lack of viral spread. The signups are merely barely replacing attrition. Intuitively I am nearly certain that the reason is because there is no compelling networking of the reason to signup.

Try to understand the reason people signed up for other social networks. It was because they did something very unique and in high demand. So when all your friends were joining, you caved in and joined too.

Steem has none of those attributes. It doesn't do something very unique that is in high demand. And not all of my friends are joining. The reason is because most people don't give a fuck about storage persistance and censorship resistance, and blogging to earn $ is not something most people can do well (and besides it is not immediately gratification and requires a lot of work, both of which are things the masses hate).

Sorry you need a new formula and Peerplays can repeat this same mistake but it won't cross the chasm.

I have a plan and a design and now I've chosen a 5 letter, one syllable name.
newbie
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Will it be a Steem Classic? I get confused now, why fork? What is Peerplays?
hero member
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legendary
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That's becoming more and more blatant. That will go nowhere. I don't understand what is your problem with a premine. The developpers can't live from some random "tahnk you" Roll Eyes...

Although I'm not fond of premines in most cases, I don't see where a premine diminishes functionality here. This is the same coin, minus the brand STEEM has established. It will make the hype price surge every coin in this space does, but I don't see this surviving long term as it doesn't seem to offer any innovation.
hero member
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That's becoming more and more blatant. That will go nowhere. I don't understand what is your problem with a premine. The developpers can't live from some random "tahnk you" Roll Eyes...
legendary
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FUD Philanthropist™
I dont even know what you're talking about....

I don't know who you are talking to.
sr. member
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I dont even know what you're talking about....
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