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hero member
Activity: 966
Merit: 1003
February 14, 2015, 10:45:27 AM
#66
Where do I put the .conf?
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
February 14, 2015, 08:33:50 AM
#65
Any news yet? Has the project died?
sr. member
Activity: 260
Merit: 250
September 05, 2014, 07:37:17 PM
#64
zeronews
full member
Activity: 124
Merit: 100
September 05, 2014, 09:49:03 AM
#63
Anything new about zerocash?
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500
May 20, 2014, 03:20:17 PM
#62
From twitter:

Quote from: Ian Miers ‏@secparam
We will be releasing Zerocoin/cash in 3 to 6 months. Why so long?  Due diligence (and arranging trust set up) takes time. Move fast & break things is a bad strategy w/ cutting edge crypto. If Zerocoin/cash did that, what we'd break would be your money & privacy.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1015
May 20, 2014, 12:38:01 PM
#61
Hence: Tor.
Isn't TOR cracked? I think I heard something about it (maybe Dawden, maybe not)?

You did hear something about it, apparently it's mostly FUD from the FBI and NSA.
hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 503
Monero Core Team
May 20, 2014, 12:25:36 PM
#60
TOR isn't cracked, don't spread bullshit.
I was just asking. Glad I was wrong. Case closed.
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1011
Monero Evangelist
May 20, 2014, 12:19:41 PM
#59
TOR isn't cracked, don't spread bullshit.
hero member
Activity: 658
Merit: 503
Monero Core Team
May 20, 2014, 12:08:49 PM
#58
Hence: Tor.
Isn't TOR cracked? I think I heard something about it (maybe Dawden, maybe not)?
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
eidoo wallet
May 19, 2014, 07:33:28 PM
#57
It's not true. Zerocash will be open-source project which mean everyone can analyze its source code. No backdoor can be hidden.
Yeah, lol. Like in OpenSSL or twenty year old window manager code.

Code and mathematics that the NSA / Dept Defence has most likely had input into.....If they find a back door - they wont announce it.

Add on the secret key that needs to be properly "destroyed" in order for this to work...I dont see this as a viable anonymity solution.

+1, neither do I.
member
Activity: 71
Merit: 10
May 19, 2014, 07:26:54 PM
#56
or if elliptic curve crypto is broken by the NSA (unlikely)

I believe the NSA had built insecurity into major implementations of elliptic curve crypto software, which may be the cause of their confusion.
legendary
Activity: 1036
Merit: 1000
May 19, 2014, 06:45:50 PM
#55
It's not true. Zerocash will be open-source project which mean everyone can analyze its source code. No backdoor can be hidden.
Yeah, lol. Like in OpenSSL or twenty year old window manager code.

Code and mathematics that the NSA / Dept Defence has most likely had input into.....If they find a back door - they wont announce it.

Add on the secret key that needs to be properly "destroyed" in order for this to work...I dont see this as a viable anonymity solution.
legendary
Activity: 1232
Merit: 1011
Monero Evangelist
May 19, 2014, 06:02:05 PM
#54
It's not true. Zerocash will be open-source project which mean everyone can analyze its source code. No backdoor can be hidden.
Yeah, lol. Like in OpenSSL or twenty year old window manager code.
TTM
full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
May 19, 2014, 06:01:19 PM
#53
Zerocash has a GCHQ/Israel/NSA backdoor.

It's not true. Zerocash will be open-source project which mean everyone can analyze its source code. No backdoor can be hidden.

Also Zerocash dev team appear to be "anti-NSA" people on their twitter.

They intend to keep it closed source according to twitter.

I would suggest you to learn more about a coin before bashing it. This page say different:
http://zerocash-project.org/q_and_a

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To facilitate this, Zerocash will be released as open-source software.

Prior to Zerocash, their Zerocoin project is already an open-source project.
member
Activity: 71
Merit: 10
May 19, 2014, 05:58:56 PM
#52
Zerocash has a GCHQ/Israel/NSA backdoor.

It's not true. Zerocash will be open-source project which mean everyone can analyze its source code. No backdoor can be hidden.

Also Zerocash dev team appear to be "anti-NSA" people on their twitter.

They intend to keep it closed source according to twitter.
TTM
full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
May 19, 2014, 05:48:06 PM
#51
Zerocash has a GCHQ/Israel/NSA backdoor.

It's not true. Zerocash will be open-source project which mean everyone can analyze its source code. No backdoor can be hidden.

Also Zerocash dev team appear to be "anti-NSA" people on their twitter.
staff
Activity: 4284
Merit: 8808
May 19, 2014, 05:37:14 PM
#50
I know how to fix the no pruning problem but it comes with (your choice of) costs. PeterTodd does too— as we'd talked about it before, so it's possible ZeroCash will implement one of those solutions. (Either you make old coins unspendable or expensive (very large) to spend (and then perhaps economically unspendable).. in both cases your anonymity set is somewhat reduced. Then you can have some form of pruning.).
donator
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1060
GetMonero.org / MyMonero.com
May 19, 2014, 05:33:10 PM
#49
Bitmonero is a shitty clonecoin made by a brazilian/paki/indian who claimed to be Ukrainian, just a source copy of Bytecoin with no real dev team or plans to actually make the software more usable.
Bitmonero probably won't have a GUI wallet until the Bytecoin devs make them one.

I don't know a single Brazilian, Pakistani, Indian, or Ukranian involved, and who cares even if there is?

I also contend your claim that there is "no real dev team" - are you in #monero-dev on Freenode? There is a very solid, concrete dev team that consists of developers from multiple continents including a handful who choose to remain anonymous.

"Plans to make the software more usable" is also nonsense - thus far we have not only found massive issues in the RPC API and either patched them or provided more correct documentation to those using Monero, but we have made our short-term and long-term plans clear. More specifically, you realise and understand that Bytecoin is so fundamentally flawed that their JSON RPC API documentation (such as it is) claims that the URL to use ends in a trailing slash, but this results in a 404 from the RPC API daemons? I mean, such a fundamental error for a coin that is apparently in existence for two years...

Finally, thus far we have improved the miner to 12x its original efficiency. To thank us for our hard work the Bytecoin devs merged our changes.

In other words, thus far only the Monero dev team have made any strides in improving and advancing the coin, and the others are merely inheriting the work we're doing.

Please glance at the github repos and merges / commits before making yourself look completely daft.
member
Activity: 71
Merit: 10
May 19, 2014, 04:27:02 PM
#48
Zerocash has a GCHQ/Israel/NSA backdoor.
Anoncoin devs consist of one fat neckbeard trying to do all the work (or claiming too, the commits I've seen consist of "changed namespace name")
Darkcoin is rumored to have a 5% pre-mine http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=a_massive_investigation_of_instamines_and_fastmines_for_the_top_alt_coins#darkcoin
Bytecoin has bad software that is undocumented with no GUI wallet, and the devs aren't transparent enough to say "we're working on it goys!"
Bitmonero is a shitty clonecoin made by a brazilian/paki/indian who claimed to be Ukrainian, just a source copy of Bytecoin with no real dev team or plans to actually make the software more usable.
Bytecoin also has an 80% premine.
Bitmonero probably won't have a GUI wallet until the Bytecoin devs make them one.

I'm not too interested in Zerocash at the moment, the developers would really have to go out of their way to practically livestream them starting the network and "forgetting" the master key.
Darksend will hopefully be finalized soon and on the way to decent ring sig software.

Bytecoin devs could improve too, Bitmonero devs (what devs?) could put forth more effort than changing a few variables and releasing a clone-coin, Anoncoin could implement the same Zerocash as the Israeli researchers and "destroy" the master key...  Darkcoin devs could address the "premine" allegations again.

Still a gamble.

Edit: it is documented, and there is a 3rd party GUI wallet now
sr. member
Activity: 478
Merit: 250
May 19, 2014, 03:15:14 PM
#47
I posted this in the Nxt.org forum privacy discussion and user Eadeqa replies that a person could use a third party like bitpay or coinbase to maintain anonymity. -https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/%28poll-by-post%29-does-nxt-need-anonymity/msg24596/?topicseen#msg24596

The way I see it is, Monero is just a prototype, eventually, give it a year or two this tech is going to mature and the norm. I would like to see Crypto move towards a more cash like system, no trace back. I would not prefer to see it go to a more bank like system.

Anyway, it'll happen and Crypto's will have to be developed to adapt. (including both Bitcoin and Monero, because better things will come)

Will these coins sit on the sidelines and say "use coinbase" or instead embrace this tech?

This is why sidechains could be perfect for bitcoin, allowing this additional ability.

Smiley


Thank you for the response.
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