Zhang Vs Joyce II WBO Interim World Heavyweight Championship - page 2.

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Quote from: Kemarit on September 21, 2023, 03:33:26 PM

Just to be fair with Zhang though, he did his jab in the first fight, and that's why Joyce has blood in his face because Zhang has a stiff jab and Joyce didn't try to avoid it.
He thought that he can just steamroll and take his shots but he was all wrong because it has power behind and maybe we can say that he underestimated the Chinese.
So it's very unpredictable in the first fight, but Joyce is trying to bounce back and put his name again for at least a title shot.
And with that, he should have learn his lessons from the first fight and make the necessary adjustments.

Now that Joyce has seen what beat him, I think Zhang will also make adjustments, possibly in-game adjustments, as he doesn't want to lose this fight. He's still underestimated up to this point, so if he beats Joyce in the second fight, people will recognize him as a true champion. I'm excited to see what Joyce can do in the rematch, but I'm pretty sure Zhang has also prepared for this.

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By the 1st round, we can already determine who will. If Zhang still wins this fight, he must deserve a title shot. How crazy would that sound that a Chinese HW becomes a champion in WBO? Only in this era.

I almost forgot this thread that I created on the Zhang - Joyce match yes, I agree with you most of the rematches just pick out where they left off in the first three rounds we can see if there's an improvement on Joyce and Zhang will still dominate the jabs, Zhang Jabs is very dominant on their first match I was in awe how that jabs went through Joyce faces.

Everyone was shocked by the outcome but more so in the first round when Zhang established his dominance.
Let's see if the first round will the like the first round of their first fight.

Could this fight turn out like Fury vs. Wilder? On paper, Joyce is the superior boxer, but the outcome of the first fight has added an element of unpredictability. With the odds now even, bettors who believe in Joyce's comeback have a good opportunity. A knockout is quite likely, which should also make the odds more enticing.

Joyce has the upper hand even in their first encounter. It was just Zhang's lucky day when the blood blocked his vision of Joyce causing him to receive more blows from Zhang.
If Joyce still loses for the 2nd time proving Zhang can damage, I sure will not know what excuse to say here. But still his bad luck day.

On records, Joyce has the KO power but I guess the experience counts as Zhang started his career way earlier than Joe.

Just to be fair with Zhang though, he did his jab in the first fight, and that's why Joyce has blood in his face because Zhang has a stiff jab and Joyce didn't try to avoid it.
He thought that he can just steamroll and take his shots but he was all wrong because it has power behind and maybe we can say that he underestimated the Chinese.
So it's very unpredictable in the first fight, but Joyce is trying to bounce back and put his name again for at least a title shot.
And with that, he should have learn his lessons from the first fight and make the necessary adjustments.

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Quote from: Japinat on September 19, 2023, 09:03:07 PM

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Quote from: bittraffic on September 19, 2023, 09:53:50 AM

By the 1st round, we can already determine who will. If Zhang still wins this fight, he must deserve a title shot. How crazy would that sound that a Chinese HW becomes a champion in WBO? Only in this era.

I almost forgot this thread that I created on the Zhang - Joyce match yes, I agree with you most of the rematches just pick out where they left off in the first three rounds we can see if there's an improvement on Joyce and Zhang will still dominate the jabs, Zhang Jabs is very dominant on their first match I was in awe how that jabs went through Joyce faces.

Everyone was shocked by the outcome but more so in the first round when Zhang established his dominance.
Let's see if the first round will the like the first round of their first fight.

Could this fight turn out like Fury vs. Wilder? On paper, Joyce is the superior boxer, but the outcome of the first fight has added an element of unpredictability. With the odds now even, bettors who believe in Joyce's comeback have a good opportunity. A knockout is quite likely, which should also make the odds more enticing.

Joyce has the upper hand even in their first encounter. It was just Zhang's lucky day when the blood blocked his vision of Joyce causing him to receive more blows from Zhang.
If Joyce still loses for the 2nd time proving Zhang can damage, I sure will not know what excuse to say here. But still his bad luck day.

On records, Joyce has the KO power but I guess the experience counts as Zhang started his career way earlier than Joe.

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Quote from: Japinat on September 19, 2023, 09:03:07 PM

On paper, Joyce is the superior boxer, but the outcome of the first fight has added an element of unpredictability. With the odds now even, bettors who believe in Joyce's comeback have a good opportunity. A knockout is quite likely, which should also make the odds more enticing.

In one interview Joyce admitted that he was surprised by Zhang's power, but he announced that he is very much prepared for this fight and he added weight to come heavier on their rematch a lot has been taken away from Joyce after that upset so we'll see if what he has learned and what he added is enough to beat Zhang.

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Joe Joyce insists he “knows what to do this time around” in his rematch against Zhilei Zhang and is more focused after losing his status as an "indestructible juggernaut".

https://www.eurosport.com/boxing/i-know-what-to-do-this-time-joe-joyce-more-dedicated-and-focused-for-zhilei-zhang-rematch_sto9792124/story.shtml

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Quote from: bittraffic on September 19, 2023, 09:53:50 AM

By the 1st round, we can already determine who will. If Zhang still wins this fight, he must deserve a title shot. How crazy would that sound that a Chinese HW becomes a champion in WBO? Only in this era.

I almost forgot this thread that I created on the Zhang - Joyce match yes, I agree with you most of the rematches just pick out where they left off in the first three rounds we can see if there's an improvement on Joyce and Zhang will still dominate the jabs, Zhang Jabs is very dominant on their first match I was in awe how that jabs went through Joyce faces.

Everyone was shocked by the outcome but more so in the first round when Zhang established his dominance.
Let's see if the first round will the like the first round of their first fight.

Could this fight turn out like Fury vs. Wilder? On paper, Joyce is the superior boxer, but the outcome of the first fight has added an element of unpredictability. With the odds now even, bettors who believe in Joyce's comeback have a good opportunity. A knockout is quite likely, which should also make the odds more enticing.

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Quote from: bittraffic on September 19, 2023, 09:53:50 AM

By the 1st round, we can already determine who will. If Zhang still wins this fight, he must deserve a title shot. How crazy would that sound that a Chinese HW becomes a champion in WBO? Only in this era.

I almost forgot this thread that I created on the Zhang - Joyce match yes, I agree with you most of the rematches just pick out where they left off.

In the first three rounds we can see if there's an improvement in Joyce and Zhang will still dominate the jabs, Zhang Jabs is very dominant in their first match I was in awe of how those jabs went through Joyce's face.

Everyone was shocked by the outcome but more so in the first round when Zhang established his dominance.
Let's see if the first round will the like the first round of their first fight.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on September 19, 2023, 09:14:12 AM

This fight is just four days away, and I'm quite surprised that 85% of the poll voters here believe that Zhang will once again win via KO. Judging by the odds, it's a close fight, and given that both boxers are KO artists, it's unlikely to go the full 12 rounds. It would be a nice redemption story if Joyce can come through and potentially set up a trilogy, ensuring that his career doesn't falter after a promising start.

Joyce is in a very dire situation he needs to win here if possible via knockout or total dominance to avoid a trilogy, if he can do this he can set his eyes on the Championship belts being held by Tyson Fury and Usyk, but if he losses that could be the end of his career or he will have a very hard climb going to the top, Zhang will have the confidence here because in his last fight its obvious that he can take Joyce's punches while Joyce was hurting when Zhang landed his punches.
Let's see if things will be different now on their coming second fight.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on September 19, 2023, 09:14:12 AM

This fight is just four days away, and I'm quite surprised that 85% of the poll voters here believe that Zhang will once again win via KO. Judging by the odds, it's a close fight, and given that both boxers are KO artists, it's unlikely to go the full 12 rounds. It would be a nice redemption story if Joyce can come through and potentially set up a trilogy, ensuring that his career doesn't falter after a promising start.

If he learned from the previous fight. He gotta work out his head movement, it becomes an easy target for Zhang. HW guys can shock a cow even when it's a slowmo punch. He wasn't very defensive, he ate the jabs with a warm welcome but of course, it was all because of his right eye.

By the 1st round, we can already determine who will. If Zhang still wins this fight, he must deserve a title shot. How crazy would that sound that a Chinese HW becomes a champion in WBO? Only in this era.

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This fight is just four days away, and I'm quite surprised that 85% of the poll voters here believe that Zhang will once again win via KO. Judging by the odds, it's a close fight, and given that both boxers are KO artists, it's unlikely to go the full 12 rounds. It would be a nice redemption story if Joyce can come through and potentially set up a trilogy, ensuring that his career doesn't falter after a promising start.

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On the latest update on the fight, this is the undercard on this rematch

MAIN EVENT: Joe Joyce vs Zhilei Zhang - for WBO 'Interim' heavyweight title

Anthony Yarde vs Ricky Summers
Pierce O'Leary vs Kane Gardner
Zach Parker vs TBA
Ezra Taylor vs Joel McIntyre

There are some fighters that should be fighting in the undercard and it will soon be announced as they are looking for good matchups for the undercard, at least six names in the undercard but there's still no name who they are going to fight I'll update this when the undercards are finalized.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on July 07, 2023, 08:10:51 AM

He won't be an underdog because he won in their first fight. Although we may say that it's an upset win, the bookies had already adjusted for it since people already believe that Zhang is the real deal. Zhang is not fighting a fighter who has won a championship before, so that further solidifies why he is the favorite now.

And Zhang won it convincingly I used to believe that Joyce is ready to be a champion until he fought Zhang, Joyce is so good with his jabs when he fought Dubois but its nowhere to be seen when he fought Zhang he is intimidated by Zhang's punches.

If Zhang wins again he will become a serious threat to both Usyk and Fury but if Joyce wins I expect a third match to even the score unless Joyce wins by a knockout or stoppage if it's a decision the fans and Zhang will demand a third fight.

We are going to find out after this fight. Zhang's name has emerged seemingly out of nowhere because he wasn't as popular as Fury and Wilder. Now, he is already a champion and will attempt to prove that his first win was not merely due to luck. If he wins by knockout once again, I'm certain his name will generate a buzz in the heavyweight division, opening up significant opportunities for him in another championship fight.

Perhaps Zhang vs Usyk next, which would be enjoyable.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on July 07, 2023, 08:10:51 AM

He won't be an underdog because he won in their first fight. Although we may say that it's an upset win, the bookies had already adjusted for it since people already believe that Zhang is the real deal. Zhang is not fighting a fighter who has won a championship before, so that further solidifies why he is the favorite now.

And Zhang won it convincingly I used to believe that Joyce is ready to be a champion until he fought Zhang, Joyce is so good with his jabs when he fought Dubois but its nowhere to be seen when he fought Zhang he is intimidated by Zhang's punches.

If Zhang wins again he will become a serious threat to both Usyk and Fury but if Joyce wins I expect a third match to even the score unless Joyce wins by a knockout or stoppage if it's a decision the fans and Zhang will demand a third fight.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on July 02, 2023, 06:27:30 PM

joyce may be the favourite on their first match, but on this second one, zhang may come up as slight favourite by bookies. but i guess, a lot will still place their bets on joyce for the second bout.

Yes, Zhang is now a slight favorite, as indicated by the odds on https://box.live/boxing-betting/zhang-vs-joyce-ii-odds/. The odds for Zhang to win are (-140), while Joyce is listed at (+100). Let's see what unfolds. Personally, I initially thought Zhang would be the underdog, but with these odds, I might lean towards picking Joyce to win.

He won't be an underdog because he won in their first fight. Although we may say that it's an upset win, the bookies had already adjusted for it since people already believe that Zhang is the real deal. Zhang is not fighting a fighter who has won a championship before, so that further solidifies why he is the favorite now.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on July 02, 2023, 06:27:30 PM

joyce may be the favourite on their first match, but on this second one, zhang may come up as slight favourite by bookies. but i guess, a lot will still place their bets on joyce for the second bout.

Yes, Zhang is now a slight favorite, as indicated by the odds on https://box.live/boxing-betting/zhang-vs-joyce-ii-odds/. The odds for Zhang to win are (-140), while Joyce is listed at (+100). Let's see what unfolds. Personally, I initially thought Zhang would be the underdog, but with these odds, I might lean towards picking Joyce to win.

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Zhang did it well. Not a fluke for sure but this is with the advantage that Joyce's vision in his right eye is not very clear after a blow. That one shot give him the advantage to win. He didn't even KO Jyce but the doc stopped the fight because even the ref sees the guy is not fit to fight anymore.

Credit is given though. He fought well even from the start. He throws counter and he is also big which is sure his fists carries weight.

Joyce was caught by surprise if you analyze the fight, especially the first round you can see that his jabs and punches are blocked and Zhang's punches got in, and he has no response to that, the first round set up the pace for the whole fight, and second round and onwards its all Zhang, Joyce team did not do their assignment in the first fight and they better be now, because their fighters is on the brink of losing everything he worked for so many years.

I still do not want to count out Joyce, he'll be better this time and if the fight is exciting like the first one and Joyce got the win, we may have a trilogy, who knows so let's see.

as joyce's camp knows better this time, they may cover all angles this time. i am seeing a trilogy here if joyce will indeed win this time. but of course, zhang knows what he's up to, so yeah, we may see a very good fight for this as both camps would want to win. joyce may be the favourite on their first match, but on this second one, zhang may come up as slight favourite by bookies. but i guess, a lot will still place their bets on joyce for the second bout.

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Quote from: bittraffic on July 02, 2023, 01:31:12 PM

Zhang did it well. Not a fluke for sure but this is with the advantage that Joyce's vision in his right eye is not very clear after a blow. That one shot give him the advantage to win. He didn't even KO Jyce but the doc stopped the fight because even the ref sees the guy is not fit to fight anymore.

Credit is given though. He fought well even from the start. He throws counter and he is also big which is sure his fists carries weight.

Joyce was caught by surprise if you analyze the fight, especially the first round you can see that his jabs and punches are blocked and Zhang's punches got in, and he has no response to that, the first round set up the pace for the whole fight, and second round and onwards its all Zhang, Joyce team did not do their assignment in the first fight and they better be now, because their fighters is on the brink of losing everything he worked for so many years.

I still do not want to count out Joyce, he'll be better this time and if the fight is exciting like the first one and Joyce got the win, we may have a trilogy, who knows so let's see.

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...Zhang will prove that he deserves to be taken seriously by the top names in the heavyweight.

Zhang can't be taken seriously by the top names in the heavyweight division because he isn't on their level. He stays where he matters and be competitive.

Quote from: btc_angela on June 28, 2023, 09:54:04 PM

Maybe he was just too complacent and think ahead of his fight with Tyson Fury.

Now, everything is back to zero for him, obviously he has to win this fight otherwise no more big payday for him against Fury.

Lol. Let's be realistic and accept the fact that Zhang will never ever be given a match against Tyson Fury. If this Chinese old man is thinking he will defeat Joyce the second time around so that he will be having a huge payday when he finally faces Fury, then he is having an illusion. He better just fight and defeat any opponent for its own sake rather than dreaming of a fight against the gypsy king.

He should have entered the scene much earlier with his record and perhaps he could have gotten the attention of anybody from the top.

you're underestimating Zhang a lot to the point of thinking that he won't have a chance to win this fight, but you're forgetting that Zhang already beat Joe Joyce and if you look at the Highlights just to remember well that Zhang didn't win the fight for being lucky, you can see it here in this video that is well summarizing the fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QNhi7voF7Q

you can see that Zhang defended himself better, Zhang was much more effective in his attacks, Joe Joyce was taking a lot of punches and at some point he was a little unbalanced although he recovered quickly and didn't fall, while Joe Joyce's punches they hit zhang's body and zhang's arms when he defended himself, on the other side zhang managed to land his punches on joe's face, just see that at the end of the fight joe's face is much more hurt than even at some point the referee had to grab joe's face

and tell him to close one eye and then open it and then see the other eye and conclude that the wounds were too bad for joe to keep fighting, and see that zhang has a normal face, so of course zhang can win again , one should not underestimate the zhanga who has already won once and can win again, the most likely scenario that happens here is that joe will have difficulties in winning or then losing again

Zhang did it well. Not a fluke for sure but this is with the advantage that Joyce's vision in his right eye is not very clear after a blow. That one shot give him the advantage to win. He didn't even KO Jyce but the doc stopped the fight because even the ref sees the guy is not fit to fight anymore.

Credit is given though. He fought well even from the start. He throws counter and he is also big which is sure his fists carries weight.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on June 28, 2023, 10:42:20 PM

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...Zhang will prove that he deserves to be taken seriously by the top names in the heavyweight.

Zhang can't be taken seriously by the top names in the heavyweight division because he isn't on their level. He stays where he matters and be competitive.

Quote from: btc_angela on June 28, 2023, 09:54:04 PM

Maybe he was just too complacent and think ahead of his fight with Tyson Fury.

Now, everything is back to zero for him, obviously he has to win this fight otherwise no more big payday for him against Fury.

Lol. Let's be realistic and accept the fact that Zhang will never ever be given a match against Tyson Fury. If this Chinese old man is thinking he will defeat Joyce the second time around so that he will be having a huge payday when he finally faces Fury, then he is having an illusion. He better just fight and defeat any opponent for its own sake rather than dreaming of a fight against the gypsy king.

He should have entered the scene much earlier with his record and perhaps he could have gotten the attention of anybody from the top.

you're underestimating Zhang a lot to the point of thinking that he won't have a chance to win this fight, but you're forgetting that Zhang already beat Joe Joyce and if you look at the Highlights just to remember well that Zhang didn't win the fight for being lucky, you can see it here in this video that is well summarizing the fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QNhi7voF7Q

you can see that Zhang defended himself better, Zhang was much more effective in his attacks, Joe Joyce was taking a lot of punches and at some point he was a little unbalanced although he recovered quickly and didn't fall, while Joe Joyce's punches they hit zhang's body and zhang's arms when he defended himself, on the other side zhang managed to land his punches on joe's face, just see that at the end of the fight joe's face is much more hurt than even at some point the referee had to grab joe's face

and tell him to close one eye and then open it and then see the other eye and conclude that the wounds were too bad for joe to keep fighting, and see that zhang has a normal face, so of course zhang can win again , one should not underestimate the zhanga who has already won once and can win again, the most likely scenario that happens here is that joe will have difficulties in winning or then losing again

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Quote from: Distinctin on July 01, 2023, 08:18:09 AM

Looks like everyone is rooting for Zhang to win by KO. The first encounter was a major upset, yet most voters still believe that Zhang can replicate the type of victory he had in the first fight. I'm curious about how Joyce will prepare for this fight, and I hope he can bounce back so we can witness a trilogy.

I see this fight as similar to the Joshua vs Andy Ruiz fight, where the former was able to redeem himself in the rematch.

Maybe but it will still depends on Joyce here and for sure he has a lot of pressure in his shoulder, more than in the first fight. Obviously, he might be overlooking Zhang in the first because he is looking forward to another big pay day fight.

But now, he is in a must win situation, so pressure has doubled.

So with that, he really needs to prepare 100% here and not make the same mistakes so that he can redeem or maybe with a trilogy, of a big fight with either Tyson Fury or even Anthony Joshua next. So everything rest on him here.

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Quote from: bittraffic on July 01, 2023, 10:41:23 AM

I doubt Zhang can win again, I think he was just lucky to have pricked Joyce's eyes that lucky day.

I hope that's how the bookmakers see this particular fight, so the odds in fight number 1 will still be the same in the rematch. This would give the bettors a huge opportunity to bet on the underdog with very attractive moneyline odds or the KO odds as well.

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