Topic: Russian Invasion of Ukraine[In Progress] - page 308. (Read 59662 times)

‘Humanitarian corridors’ leading to Russia or Belarus rejected by Kyiv


Sounds pretty inhumane imo.

There is definitely something fishy going on in Ukraine with regards to bio-weapons. It is unclear what exactly is going on, and there is the potential that the US is setting Russia up for embarrassment when they say their purpose of the invasion is to remove chemical weapons from Ukraine and are unable to find evidence of such.

So why even bring this up here? Not enough COVID conspiracy threads? Zero relevance to Russia-Ukraine war, it's just words "lab" and "research" and because the other thing has the same words then let's throw it too into the dumpster fire.

This whole "I don't support Putin but " shtick is getting old.

Are you implying here in any way that Putin is not bombarding, shooting missiles and shelling Ukraine including civil buildings?

If that is the case, please say so instead of posting such a shitty excuse of a proof.


An the immediate question arises: If you plan to use birds to spread the flu - technically called a "vector" - how is that exactly going to pass onto the humans?



Or maybe



Perhaps he had the idea when...



These images are not real by the way, however who would be stupid enough to liberate a virus that would eventually hit you back??

I didn't say it was true. Recall how quickly the narrative changed after the NIH confirmed gain of function research on bat coronaviruses that took place at some point between 2014-2019. Sure, let's call that "something something China" for now. If not in China, where else might the U.S. fund gain of function research? Ukraine seems unlikely. And as I've mentioned I've yet to see any evidence, but these things hardly come as a surprise anymore.

Surely it has been posted somewhere around here already, but for those who've not seen it:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/5Qk8ebaFxpZt/

I availed of the Bulgarian reporter's work long before the covaids scamdemic which is part of the reason I suspected such a thing was actualizing back in early 2020.

I was also aware that the neocons in their work were considering ethnic targetted bio-weapons developments to be, potentially, "politically useful tools" as opposed to simple terror weapons.  That was Kagan and friends PNAC document. Kagan is one of the primary neocon and his wife, Nuland (former family name Nudelman), is who they use when a so-called 'Democrat' is in office.  She's the one who was running the 2014 Ukrainian coup and choose who would be installed as the Ukrainian 'leader' after the coup.  Now that Biden is prez she's back in and just recently admitted to the Ukraine bio-labs in an amusing clip which is all over the internet now.

Here's another talking point for you courtesy of Kremlin: US bioweapon labs in Ukraine were developing strains of bird flu to spread to Russia via migrating birds. It must be true because something something China.

Take that, chemtrail nutjobs. BIRDS!

I would not put chemical warfare or bioweapons past Putin. In fact, it's perfectly in line with his previous usage of nerve agents to assassinate his political opponents. However, I recall the U.S. vehemently denying funding gain of function research in Wuhan where it turns out they actually did fund experiments with bat coronaviruses. So likewise, I would not put it past the U.S. to have been funding whatever twisted experiments in Ukraine just as they were doing in China. I have yet to see any evidence of this, of course, but it's not a wild theory. It took something like a year before the NIH admitted what was going on in Wuhan.

Translation:  The attack on other countries is imminent.

Yes, the whole world feels much safer now that, instead of being attacked, they will undergo a special operation, be de-nazified, give Putin part of their territory, change their constitution and, if required, change their governments to something that Putin considers more to his taste. He shall be know as Putin the pacifier.

What's your point? Anyone can spread false claims that media outlets have been broadcasting phony footage of Ukraine.
Perhaps you should only trust the statements of high-ranking government officials?

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov speaking at the press conference after today's negotiations in Turkey: "We are not planning to attack other countries and we did not attack Ukraine either, we were just dealing with the issues there".

We are not going to attack other countries -> meaning: it is better for the Baltic countries not to stick their heads out and prepare for possible consequences

We did not attack Ukraine either -> meaning: at 4 o'clock in the morning we began to bomb civilian objects. This is how we wanted to celebrate our Defender of the Fatherland Day

The United States is developing biological weapons and new strains of coronavirus in Ukraine -> meaning: we need some shitty fabrications to later justify the use of biological and chemical weapons against Ukraine, because the rules of war are not for us. And in general we are losing. Something must be done to bring good news to Putin. We are deathly afraid to report bad ones

We dropped bombs on the maternity hospital in Mariupol because the Nazi battalion Azov was stationed there -> meaning: we do need to destabilize the situation in Ukraine in any way to cause panic among the population and force them to go through our "humanitarian corridors" to Russia, so that we can film it and give new material to further deceive our population. Because they it start asking questions. We cannot allow that

Unfortunalely, the list goes on...

The Mid-Century German Enthusiasts of Ukraine
https://rumble.com/vwxk67-the-mid-century-german-enthusiasts-of-ukraine.html

They are all drinking from the same Soviet punch bowl.

At this point, no one should be listening to what Russians are saying.  It does not matter what they say.

It should be clear to anyone with half a brain that their objective is to exterminate Ukrainians.

But thanks to spineless NATO (No Army To Operate), Putin will continue to bleed Ukraine.

This whole situation is truly Orwellian.

We are not at war -> meaning: we are at war
We don't bomb civilian targets -> meaning: we specifically target civilian areas
We don't want to occupy Ukraine -> meaning: you bet your ass that we will annex Ukraine to Russia
We don't fire at nuclear power stations -> meaning: we did bomb them a little bit
We want peace -> meaning: there will be no peace until we win
We want to denazify Ukraine -> meaning: we need to kill all Ukrainians
We want to demilitarize Ukraine -> meaning: we need to destroy all Ukrainian army and all armed, civilian opposition
We will drop nuclear bombs on anyone who helps Ukraine -> meaning: our nuclear arsenal does not work, but you don't know about it, so...
We have the 2nd best army in the world -> meaning: we wish, but due to ongoing corruption, the state of our army is at the 1990s level
We want to negotiate -> meaning: we want Ukraine to surrender
We want to open safe corridors for civilians -> meaning: we want to know where the civilian convoys are so that we can vaporize them

The list goes on...

That's absurd reasoning. If Ukraine didn't agree to the corridors that lead the residents of their cities to the country of the aggressor, that doesn't mean the fact never existed. The original claim was that Putin was offering those corridors, and they lead to Russia, and that was correct, not fake like you claimed. You just made up a couple of straw people instead of admitting that you're wrong.


Again, there was nothing about "fully besieged" in the original claim that you labelled as fake.


Exactly. Good to see you finally coming to your senses. Read up on Russian "corridors" in Syria too, it's enlightening to say the least.


I'm sure Finland is happy as a cucumber to learn that they will be "not attacked" the same way as Ukraine is being "not attacked" and "totally definitely not having their civilians bombed".

Lavrov sounds even more insane than Putin.

"We have not attacked Ukraine and we are not planning to attack other countries" said Lavrov today after another round of negotiations.
They did not come to terms and are not going to as long as Russians keep living in their bubble.

When a Russian talks about having sex he means rape, when he talks about visiting you he means breaking in, when he talks about helping you he really wants to kill you.

The fact that Putin proposed such a plan is in itself a show of cynicism and bad faith. Once refugees arrive in his dominions, he would start using them for propaganda or accussing some of them of treason or use them to coerce the fighting forces and the like. I can even imagine Putin's TV showing images of how "the refugees flee from the Nazis that are killing them and come to their motherland Russia for help while we provided them with all the humanitarian aid in the world" while he starts the questioning and the torturing.

Most certainly, the fact that they were proposed is not a fake and even the wording I used was "technically correct".

Of course these routes could not be agreed by Ukraine! It is not a humanitarian corridor, is a mouse trap!

As per the latest news, several of the corridors were not actually respected.

Yeah, but in response to "Putin is shelling civil targets."  you said "Technically true, but misleading at best."

It's not misleading.  Either Russian forces are intentionally shelling civilian targets or there's a very big conspiracy among all the sources I mentioned.



I think Putin is using a very evil, but not crazy strategy of simply trying to scare the shit out of everyone.  Like you and everyone else that has to give the disclaimer "I'm not pro war" or "I'm not pro Putin" before defending Russias actions, Putin doesn't want a war.  He just want's Ukraine to surrender so he can claim victory, like he did in Crimea. 

paxmao makes a claim that "Putin decided to allow humanitarian corridors... for Ukrainians to go to his RUSSIA", i refute it by providing a list of routes agreed by both sides, with many leading to Ukraine. And what do you do, you just come in with a proposed evacuation plan hoping no one would notice the difference? Way to go!

How many of those cities are fully encircled by Russia with no Ukrainian controlled links to Ukraine? Currently only Mariupol is fully besieged, and from your own diagram Russia proposed two evacuation routes from Mariupol, to Russia and Ukraine.

Russia has now fired more than 710 missiles against Ukraine and as of last night per UN reports civilian casualties are at 516 killed


I consider that all the time, I don't trust Putin's claims any more than you do, and no one should, but the thing is I don't trust the other side's claims either. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that civilians are not being shelled. In fact, we know for a fact that they are, and innocent people ARE dying every single day. War is hell, its never good. I'm just underlining the hypocrisy in coverage, pointing out how everyone is being activated under a hive mind, mass hysteria is being triggered to a point where people are ready to risk all human life on this blue marble. But facts just don't support the narrative of Putin as a blood thirsty monster trying to kill as many Ukrainians as possible. Every war is bad and has collateral damage, when we compare the numbers to other operations/wars there is nothing special about this one, if anything so far civilian casualties are lower when compared to other similar conflicts.

Sure all of it is bad, but if we want to stop it, shouldn't we start with the biggest offender?

Food for thought,

The largest Ukrainian diaspora is in Russia.
Since 2014, beginning of the conflict, number of Ukrainians in Russia only increased
Since the start of this "operation"/war 24 February 2022, despite checkpoints and Martial Law, 99,300 Ukrainian refugees somehow managed to flee to the aggressor Russia
48,000 Ukrainians had been evacuated from cities (but not from Mariupol)

With that in mind, ask yourself why innocent civilians are not being evacuated from Mariupol, the only besieged city with starving people. I could only come up with two options (do correct me if you can think of more)

Option 1 - Putin and his army generals have gone mad, going against all commons sense and military strategies, they fake 5 cease fires and delay the siege all just to continue keeping 400.000 innocent civilians inside the city before attacking it.
Option 2 - Army does what armies have done numerous times throughout the history when defending against a much larger force, they just don't want to die.

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