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vip
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1145
July 23, 2015, 03:15:05 AM
#38
I have an unfortunate customer who wants to buy from me and have me send ransom Bitcoins directly to CryptoWall.

My question is would I be in legal trouble for helping the customer because I charge for my services?

If yes, would I be in trouble for helping the customer if I do not charge any service fee?

Any help would be appreciated!

** this transaction been completed as of September 26th.

Two people replied no, so he went and did it.
vip
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1145
July 23, 2015, 02:24:23 AM
#37
The lack of reading comprehension and substantial analysis here is dismal, almost worthless to discuss anything on bitcoin talk it seems. In the entire 18 page legal document there's one example of someone buying bitcoin from coin.mx for ransom ware. Some of you guys eat up what the media says without even thinking or researching.

Literally no useful information is in this thread, which is appalling. Are people just trying to get signature campaign money and posting brain dead garbage everywhere?

I guess you missed my post, eh?
legendary
Activity: 3248
Merit: 1070
July 23, 2015, 02:08:07 AM
#36
fucking regulators. the whole point of bitcoin is that you dont need an id to use it. it is supposed to be decentralized and free. we need more darknet financial servies.

they should operate abroad and not in america where IRS and governments will control the fuck out of everything you can dream to do

i'm not aware of the rules in america, but if you have your business abroad they can't touch you i guess
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
July 22, 2015, 11:05:42 PM
#35
The lack of reading comprehension and substantial analysis here is dismal, almost worthless to discuss anything on bitcoin talk it seems. In the entire 18 page legal document there's one example of someone buying bitcoin from coin.mx for ransom ware. Some of you guys eat up what the media says without even thinking or researching.

Literally no useful information is in this thread, which is appalling. Are people just trying to get signature campaign money and posting brain dead garbage everywhere?

I think it is more useful for exchanges.  Make sure you have all your paperwork in line, or do not operate in the states you don't is really the end of story.

Some mentioned coinbase I don't think  we will see this effect coinbase.  If they are hit it would be a huge blow.   But coin.mx going down does not really to have changed BTC price much... so that is good.
legendary
Activity: 1066
Merit: 1050
Khazad ai-menu!
July 22, 2015, 11:05:11 PM
#34
The lack of reading comprehension and substantial analysis here is dismal, almost worthless to discuss anything on bitcoin talk it seems. In the entire 18 page legal document there's one example of someone buying bitcoin from coin.mx for ransom ware. Some of you guys eat up what the media says without even thinking or researching.

Literally no useful information is in this thread, which is appalling. Are people just trying to get signature campaign money and posting brain dead garbage everywhere?

I'm just trying to stir things up cause I'm pissed off about how totally fucked the injustice system is to allow this kind of thing to go down.  Sorry bro. 
legendary
Activity: 1066
Merit: 1050
Khazad ai-menu!
July 22, 2015, 07:36:55 PM
#33
Do people really think it is ok for ransomware thieves to cashout?

Are you talking about the uniformed gangsters that took all the Coin.mx stuff?

I'm not sure I'm personally going to go after the guys who made their boots, for example. 
hero member
Activity: 714
Merit: 508
July 22, 2015, 06:24:31 PM
#32
fucking regulators. the whole point of bitcoin is that you dont need an id to use it. it is supposed to be decentralized and free. we need more darknet financial servies.
legendary
Activity: 1022
Merit: 1008
Delusional crypto obsessionist
July 22, 2015, 06:08:09 PM
#31

Just more bad press for Bitcoin.
I hope it'll never stop.
I'm not ready yet accumulating.
full member
Activity: 179
Merit: 100
July 22, 2015, 06:03:01 PM
#30
Do people really think it is ok for ransomware thieves to cashout?
member
Activity: 117
Merit: 10
July 22, 2015, 06:00:05 PM
#29
Nice to know that the feds can make up charges any time they want.
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1012
July 22, 2015, 05:57:25 PM
#28
They were running a unlicensed money transmitting business from the U and probably with US clients. they should have seen it coming. Don't people see this forum? Folks are arrested in the states for much less...

As for the rest, if they were helping ransomware or not, we can't know for sure...

sr. member
Activity: 637
Merit: 262
July 22, 2015, 05:47:04 PM
#27
It might not be revelant here bt the feds in murica really do alot of BS,

Jus check out the story on aaron shwartz !


legendary
Activity: 1066
Merit: 1050
Khazad ai-menu!
July 22, 2015, 03:41:05 PM
#26
So what happens to the customers balances? Will they be held by the feds until they figure out the money trails?

I wouldn't count on the feds doing anything quickly or reasonably.  I'm guessing this will take a long time, and they wont care whose btc are whose.  I'm guessing they will be auctioned off in a year or 2.


Yeah, when gangsters confiscate your property, don' t hold your breath expecting it back. 

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It is too bad for the legitimate customers who will be screwed, but it sounds like coin.mx deserved to be shut down for apparently knowingly allowing ransomeware criminals to launder money thorugh them.

You misread the report.  They helped victims to obtain coin, not helping ransomware creators to move coin. 
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500
July 22, 2015, 03:22:17 PM
#25
So what happens to the customers balances? Will they be held by the feds until they figure out the money trails?

I wouldn't count on the feds doing anything quickly or reasonably.  I'm guessing this will take a long time, and they wont care whose btc are whose.  I'm guessing they will be auctioned off in a year or 2.

It is too bad for the legitimate customers who will be screwed, but it sounds like coin.mx deserved to be shut down for apparently knowingly allowing ransomeware criminals to launder money thorugh them.
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
July 22, 2015, 02:57:24 PM
#24

It's not really new though. If you operate an exchange in a state you don't have right paperwork for.... you are asking to be in trouble.  It's considered money laundering.

I mean this happened before with another exchange look at Charile Shrim - http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-first-felon-charlie-shrem-begins-2-year-sentence/
This is not even close to the same situation. Charlie Shrem was directly connected to silk road drug money, also he wasn't a true exchange like coin.mx is.

Hopefully this doesn't happen to Coinbase...

Silk Road was what got Charlie Shrem on their radar.  But he was charged with " unlicensed money transmitting business.". 

So I expect that Coin.mx will likely be close to the same.  They were transmitting money without proper license (IE money laundering).
hero member
Activity: 874
Merit: 1000
July 22, 2015, 02:53:12 PM
#23
It's obvious the government took control of the coin.mx twitter and spread misinformation that it was a domain issue, so no one would know about the arrests until later.

https://twitter.com/coin_mx/with_replies



I think it's quite possible the government let the site run for a little while after they took control in order to collect information on customers.

This is good.  They are actually trying to find the fuckers behind cryptolocker.  Coin.mx was helping the Cryptolocker guys and the Fed is trying to get to them.  Good to see Coin.mx get fucked.
hero member
Activity: 938
Merit: 502
July 22, 2015, 02:45:01 PM
#22
Preet Bharara U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York <---- I hate this guy so much. he was what killed online poker for the U.S.


(he is who filed this lawsuit)
member
Activity: 94
Merit: 10
www.bitcart.io
July 22, 2015, 02:39:23 PM
#21
What effect will this have on the market, do people think? Will the auction oversell bitcoin like with gox auction?
vip
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1145
July 22, 2015, 02:36:11 PM
#20
Once your account reaches a certain level of activity, Coinbase ask you a number of questions as to how you are funding your account to buy btc and what they are for. So this makes them compliant with AML.

Sonny Vleisides of BFL used BitPay to launder over ten million dollars worth of bitcoins treating it like an exchange as I've fully documented. That one million dollars worth of bitcoins from HashTrade that BitPay processed, then showed the world via a press release, had not one satoshi of the bitcoins sent to BFL from HashTrade outside of BitPay's system.

Since 2013 I've inquired about that transaction and the ONLY time it was mentioned by any camp was from BFL's cockroach after I made the mistake of inquiring about a different entity.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9353498

I have no idea what you're talking about. HashFast never paid BFL anything, let alone $1M. That's the one completely idiotic question I'm answering, so you've used it up for everyone.  I hope you're proud of yourself.

That's how these lyin' cocksuckers play in this space!

At least I see that the LEOs are honing in on Jeff Ownby, where one day his ass will be in the slammer and his wife will be fuckin' some other dudes not wanting to wait forever for his release.

Anon Gambler: Here's my bitcoins. Let me play on your site.
Jeff Ownby: You're good to go, bud.
AG: Thanks.
AG: I wish to cash out now.
Jeff Ownby: Here you go.
Laura Ownby: Honey, when can be take our next vacation?
Jeff Ownby: I'm processing the expenses needed now, dear.
legendary
Activity: 3976
Merit: 1421
Life, Love and Laughter...
July 22, 2015, 10:23:05 AM
#19
Just when you think things are getting simpler, then all on a sudden incidents like this appear. these kind of incidents make a bad impression on the outside world and bitcoin community.

Who cares.  All the "community" cares about is getting rich out of this.
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