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You know the Gavinistas are in deep trouble when they resort to playing the moral equivalency card.

They have no good options left, and are resorting to the hypocrisy of calling their DoS attacks "stress tests" while at the same time bawling about how retaliatory DoS attacks on their precious XT nodes/pools/sites are "criminal bitcoin terrorism."

The XT assclowns are so eager to attack Bitcoin they don't care when their Troll Fork infrastructure naturally encounters pushback, and ensuing counterattacks wipe out internet/phone access for their entire ISP/.edu/region.

I wonder how their neighbors would feel if they knew their critical information utilities are being broken because the dweller next door feels entitled to attack Bitcoin with zero repercussions.  Perhaps we should be letting them know why they can't watch Fear The Walking Dead, much less use emergency 911 type services...

Now that Bitkiller and his 25Gb+ lulzcannon are a known factor, Gavinistas have no excuse for putting their political agenda (governance coup) above the interests of other uses of their networks.

In Gavinista Logic, it's perfectly OK to incite attacks which take out your town/ISP/region's connectivity, as they are entitled to attack Bitcoin Core (because thermos/Blockstream/etc. are the epitome of authoritarianism).  

Early this summer, Frap.doc was telling us Bitcoin was coiling for a rally.  Then XT happened, and the price went to shit.  100% not Team Core's fault.

The price would have gone down even more if not for my (and others) assurances that XT was 100% guaranteed to be #REKT like Stannis at Winterfell.

As for "character assassinations" it would help if Team Gavin could distinguish between moderation/moderators and censorship/dictators, as well as the vast difference between stress-testing XT nodes/pools and "terrorism."  

Don't be surprised when such nauseating self-pity results in a focus on the maudlin personalities involved, because many of us take offense at comparing first world nerd problems to the tragic circumstances of actual censorship/terrorism/dictatorship victims.

XT's biggest problem is social.  IE, the impatient/demanding/entitled/whiny Can't-Get-Along types who eagerly defected from Team Core's socioeconomic majority are now unable to get along with each other, much less work together effectively to fight Team Core.

Speaking of Team Gavin personalities, isn't it hilarious that cedivad (bitcointa.lk) and cypherdoc (bitco.in) can't get along well enough to avoid splitting their XT splinter group into even smaller, less effective, self-imposed ghettos of circlejerking?    

IOW, Team XT is a group composed of individuals self-selected by virtue of being cranky, fractious malcontents.  

I think there is something to be said for that.

Then again, Mike Hearn has proven time and time again to push agendas that are divisive to the community and toxic to decentralization -- redlists, blacklists... I'm legitimately curious what color lists he produces next.

Who was it, Wladimir, I think?--that said he was toxic to the development process, that every pull he touched turned to a cesspool? No wonder he was ostracized. (Shrug)

Yeah, that was completely one-sided and not even remotely the same thing as your toxic 'zomg gavin/mike >> worse than hitler' social engineering.   

Pretty sure there's been quite enough of that from both sides.  Now it's time to cut that shit out and discuss proposals on technical merit and not the personalities involved.  Less character assassinations all round, please.



All by themselves, huh?  And you weren't doing anything at all that might encourage just the slightest hint of uncertainty in the markets?   

We already had "more than one version of consensus software that runs bitcoin" so please spare us the empty platitudes.

I already mentioned B100 doesn't have finalized code, and support for it can thus reasonably be interpreted as a giant FUCK YOU to B101.

XT's 15 minutes of fame are over.  Nobody will ever jump on a Gavin/Heam bandwagon again after such a spectacular failure.

They destroyed $1 billion of our market cap.  And you Gavinistas enabled them with your greedy, impatient, simpleminded 'zomg just change 1mb to 8mb and then moon' nonsense and ungrateful, toxic 'zomg szabo/back/thermos >> worse than hitler' social engineering.

Of course Bitcoin will continue, thanks to the Scaling workshops and Blockstream's amazing innovations.

On balance, I believe $1 billion is a small price to pay to (nearly) rid Bitcoin of those who fundamentally lack comprehension (or even dim awareness) of cypherpunk/extropian motivations/methods/goals.   

LOL Y U SO MAD BRO?

Is it because XT was a failed project from the beginning?   

While I can't verify whether it is true or otherwise, looking at it, it will erode people's trust. What if this gets manipulated or falls into the control of someone with the intent to destroy btc. It's not meant to be controlled by anybody.

The thing is... you don't even know what you eat nowadays... probably some mentally murder shit like Democracy...

As a client, down in recent days, and 0.4% of miners:

http://xtnodes.com/

https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=/Satoshi:0.11.0/

It appears as though most of the nodes using XT are in Russia:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12313955

As discussed here and elsewhere, XT is a virus to the network and represents a systemic risk to Bitcoin.  If you value your coins, install Core.

Heh...that'd be a good bet, although I have no idea about when this ends up being over. Put it up on https://bitbet.us/

I'm fine with whatever solution wins - whether it's 1MB 4evah, BIP100 or BIP101 or BIPxxx - I've said all along that I'll go with whatever the economic supermajority chooses. My only grudge that I don't see letting go anytime soon is Theymos' heavy handed approach to moderation, but I'll admit - I'm still here on bitcointalk, I still download software from bitcoin.org and I hit /r/bitcoin so that just shows that the network effect is not inconsiderable.



I don't think this is over yet. BIP100 doesn't have consensus (or finalized code). BIP101 could be tweaked with more conservative numbers. We could still be arguing about bigger block BIPxxx a year or two for now. I also don't think XT is pointless. There will be more than one version of consensus software that runs bitcoin and that's a good thing.

Does anyone have a prediction about when this debate will be resolved?

My guess is March 2016

MoA is stating facts, not "throwing around insults."  He has put his finger precisely on the crux of the matter.  And (TYVM for asking) so far that's been working great!   

In Hearn's (google.mil inspired) vision, Bitcoin PanoptiCoin is free to use because we consumers are the product.  Just like GMail, GMaps, GSearch, etc.

But Bitcoin was born as a rejection of the Fiat Empire's 'We Want Your Soul' paradigm.

That's why the cypherpunk preference is for cheap nodes + expensive tx, while the corporatists/statists prefer expensive nodes + cheap tx.

As a troll I admire how, upon being proven completely wrong at present, you unhesitatingly and unflinchingly move the goalposts from ~now to Jan '16.  

Given the utter failure of XT/101, do you still think anyone will GAS about them 3 months from now?

I said I'd be a good loser if XT won.  Are you going to likewise be a good sport now that XT/101 has been #R3KT and tossed into the rubbish tip of history?



ZOMG STOP THE PRESSES - MBA FRAT BOY VCS LIKE MONEY AND WILL SAY WHATEVER THEY THINK WILL GET THEM MORE!!!11!1!

So much for my hope you would not be a sore loser.  

Nobody Cares^® that Hearn's Gang of Nine made supportive noises about 101.  It's not like they're going to accept XTcoins!  

Fuck Circle, Goldman, and all the rest of those wannabe gatekeepers.  They and the rest of you Gavinistas are going to have to deal with the fact the socioeconomic majority favors BIP100, which is functionally a vote for Don't-Do-Anything-Anytime-Soon^TM.

Your sense of false urgency had a shelf life of Two Weeks.  Too bad the Stress Tests backfired by conclusively demonstrating Bitcoin will function as it was designed to, that is with an ambient backlog due to cosmic background spam, regulated by fee markets.  

It makes no difference - they're both consensus compatible at this point. It's not a popularity contest.

And who's running BIP100 code? It's called a miner vote, at least in this case Slush knows that BIP101 has finalized code. Can't say the same about BIP100.

Is Bitcoin XT on the way up, or is it disappearing? Which wallet should I install...

FixtItForU 

Absent Adam Backamoto there would be no HashCash, and thus no Bitcoin.  It's not like some 3rd rate CS prof at a 3rd rate school in a Turd World country would ever invent the former, much less the latter.  Sounds like a certain underpaid public employee is a little jealous of Dr. Back's myriad world-changing accomplishments and fat private-sector paycheck.   

Pools will "play games" to increase their hashpower/revenue.   EG Slush, in order to shore up its falling user base, used the XT/101 drama to offer defectors the chance to make their (tiny, insignificant) voices heard.

Slush wasn't actually running XT/101, he just spoofed the version string to stroke the high-maintenance egos of the Gavinista insurgents.   

Knock it off with the FUD. ~9  exchanges/merchants signed on for BIP101 support and some miners who have been DDoSed supported BIP101 as well, namely Slush and P2P. You know very well that big blocks are far from being decided.

I think that the next interesting advancement is whether or not merchants want BIP101 vs BIP100 or if they just want consensus & big blocks and don't care how it happens.