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But the case mentioned in the op is totally different. The user usually does not give merit to any account and also came back a lot of times later on the forum.

No one learnt about the forum in one day. Some were lucky to have friends who stood as guidance till they found their feet, so many are solo learners. The pass through the stress of reading and understanding all the jargons on the forum all by theirselves. The reason some newbies switch to scam when the heat and frustrations starts knocking and sometimes the target accounts with high profiles.

If coldice had lavished 34 merits on HunnyFinance and there is no evidence to link the two accounts together then HunnyFinance should be judged based on his story.

Based on his account history, these are the only posts he has awarded merits to (apart from HunnyFinance's):

• 10 merits to:
  
  Quote from: PZJ on May 25, 2018, 04:53:15 AM
  Yes, you can take a look at our whitepaper for more details. Do let us know your email address in the website to keep updated of our token sale progress.
  
• 10 merits to:
  
  Quote from: theGillgold on February 24, 2021, 02:23:18 AM
  Great I am from Malaysia, how do I start?
  
• 1 merit to:
  
  Quote from: 4kingclub on February 28, 2019, 02:59:53 AM
  Go to website www.4kingclub.com to register first. Add me on telegram: ag4king
  

User coldice woke up exactly on the day when he needed to transfer 34 merits to his (possibly) alt account. After that, he didn't come back. There would be fewer questions if the coldice account behaved like a normal user, being active before or after the 34 merits spill. Now, his behavior can easily be regarded as a bot account, which was connected precisely in order to transfer 34 merits to another account. His actions are clearly not like he just happened to find HunnyFinance's post and gave it merit because he thought it was a good post. No, he woke up only in order to transfer HunnyFinance measures according to a previously agreed plan, and then again went offline for a long time.

So here's my side of the story and I sincerely hope that my explanation to end this thread peacefully.

I knew coldice for a long time since way back. Coldice was one of my first few "friends" on bitcointalk and has been good help in advising me on how to do things with crypto. I know that he has been helping people to post threads and doing some other trading businesses in crypto. 
 
Hunny project started as a DeFi project around mid 2021. I needed to venture into this forum so I asked him to help. My account is not credible and strong enough to start post with images and do campaigns.

And he did helped to post a few of our project ANN and Promotions threads. That is why you saw some of the not so popular postings by him as mentioned in the forum

But I was astounded when his account was also promoting scam and got a few RED FLAG ALERTS. So when I read my threads, the red flag suggesting that its a scam on top of his account was so prominent that I told him to remove all my posts he had posted for me.

It was a really a turn off for me as it potentially tarnished my branding and I felt very disappointed in him as I trusted him so much...

A few months ago my team decided to venture into bitcointalk and I started talking to coldice again to ask for advise again. Only this time, I would like to post the threads myself. I was still very upset with him, and he was very guilty with all the projects that he had ruined(and ruined his own account apparently). So he wanted to give me a headstart boost on my bitcointalk account(That's where you saw this +34 merits). I have no idea what merits can help but its seems hard enough to get.

What matters most is HunnyPlay is a legit running business that already been running for more than 1 year, and isn't a shady startup project like how coldice "accidently" helped others to push.

We are here all here to run businesses and not to push scam. I know bitcointalk is an important place for me to meet fellow gamblers and project owners. I hope you guys won't deprive me from having the opportunity to come back to this forum again and meet people and share my projects.

I don't quite understand your point here; do you mind explaining?

I can even do an experiment. I will create an alt account at 12:00 AM, at 12:30 AM I will create a post, and at 12:31 AM I will transfer 50 merits from my main account to this post. Likewise, I am sure that you will come and say that these 2 accounts are not connected, although experienced users will already understand without further ado that I sent the measurements to myself, no matter how I justify myself.

Question is how many newbie accounts or even accounts in altcoin sections know how merit and rank works. His story seems to be a natural story. I still do not understand how 4chan or even Reddit works. If I do anything which is not a good practice in their community but someone or bunch of users start calling me abuser, scammer, shady; do you think I will not lose my mind and even eventually I will tell them fuck off MFs; I am not going to spend a single time with you at all.

We are making the forum too difficult for the people who do not understand how the forum works. When someday the forum will lose traffic, people all over will spread negative experience about us then we will understand what we have done.

This is one of the reason I do not like those so called scam busters who are always looking for others mistakes and accusing account left and right. They are doing no favour for the community but building their own accounts to earn from the signature campaigns and may be when they get a good opportunity to scam a lender or anyone else, they will just do it before abandoned the account.

There is nothing wrong with sending these merits. Actually, coldice trying to find out the best quality/helpful post on the forum. And s/he tried to see that from the beginning of the merit system.

But before creating the post by HunnyFinance, coldice could not find out any post where coldice can send the merit. But when coldice saw the post of HunnyFinance become too much surprised and awarded the merits.

 

The newbie account, which registered at 05:02:33 AM and after 6 minutes immediately found the right topic and, by an INCREDIBLE coincidence, turned out to be a happy client of the HunnyPlay.com service. OMG, it's such a cheap shilling, why even do that? Obviously this is a "paid" comment in support of HunnyFinance, and I would not be surprised that he (HunnyFinance) wrote it himself, creating an alt account to create fake support.

I just made my findings and came up with the conclusion that, for the fact that "Hunnyfinance" was inactive for 11 months, Just woke up, dropped his/her first post not up to 150 words, and got 34 merits in less than a minute, while the sender going dormant 3 minutes after till this very moment, is enough reason for suspicion and a clear indication that both accounts belong to one individual.

I see no reason why such a post should be given 34 merits, if not alt nor traded because it's not worth

I have explained my side of the story here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61344886

I do understand this merit system is looked upon seriously in bitcointalk forum, and followed strictly by everyone, as I do now. Because of these merits, I have already been heavily reprimanded. These incidents are cast in stone and @HunnyFinance gotten lots of penalty for this.

That doesn't meant I am a scammer or I am running a shady project.

To me its about constant learning and progression. Having to face so much adversity on this issue in this thread again yet again, I am slowly learning the ropes of doing things right. Whatever has been done can't be changed, but I am doing what I can trying to fit in. Many have given advice and I am very grateful for it. Here's what we heeded and done from some advices given by the community:

1) We got a copper ranking nevertheless.

2) We are paying above market rate for signature campaigns, which I believe not only benefit my business, but also boost the economy of the community in bitcointalk. More will come. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/temp-end-hunnyplay-signature-campaign-up-to-240-per-post-5424288

3) Through my hunnyplay thread, I seeked advice on how to run a casino properly in bitcointalk. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hunnyplayio-best-crypto-casino-1000-fs-13500-330-welcome-bonus-5422950

4) I have also started a thread to try find people in the community to be ambassadors and affiliate in their countries.

If possible, instead of having to drill down on this issue again and again with the same pointers, let me know what other constructive advise can be done to explain myself better, to improve my account, to improve our casino business, or even benefit the community of bitcointalk.

For the fact that everyone has control over his earned Merits and whom to send the smerit doesn't mean that giving an abuse of it is allowed here, without the mention of the rule that forbids such one should also know that it's isn't appropriate to do for nasty and shady stuffs with merit which could lead to the abuse of the system, i credit the introduction of the merit system because that's the best way to deal with abusers, trollers, spammers and their likes from the forum ranking up, merit also is a display to how far you have gone contributing meaningfully.

I just made my findings and came up with the conclusion that, for the fact that "Hunnyfinance" was inactive for 11 months, Just woke up, dropped his/her first post not up to 150 words, and got 34 merits in less than a minute, while the sender going dormant 3 minutes after till this very moment, is enough reason for suspicion and a clear indication that both accounts belong to one individual.

I see no reason why such a post should be given 34 merits, if not alt nor traded because it's not worth

Your thread was moved from the Gambling section because it didn't belong there in the first place. Please stop playing the role of someone who doesn't know what's going on and start following the rules.

Just 1 weekend without reply and it made my thread moved away from gambling section, and a lot of haters building up.

This line hit me really hard, and this carries a well deeper meaning than the words used, any user who really cares about the growth of this forum will definitely take this very serious.
I understand the need to have a scam free community, and I really commend the entire community for all the effort put into seeing that this is a reality, from my own personal assessments, I can say that the scam rate in this forum is less than 1 percent, which is a great score.
But then, like they say, too much of every thing is bad, no doubt in the process of trying to keep the community clean, we have lost alot of great and potential members of this forum, and one thing we must understand is that one member lost can equal to five hundred members or more lost, this is because members bring their businesses to this forum, and every business announcement on this forum is an avenue through which more members would join, and more members mean more traffic, and the forum needs traffic to continue to stay relevant in this space, the businesses on this forum need the traffic on this forum to keep paying those wearing their signature ads..
Indeed I support what BitcoinGirl.Club said, we must begin to apply caution to our fight against scam here, we must find a way to do it effectively without hurting the legitimate users who are just joining the forum.

FYI, you need 1 (one) merit and some activity to reach Jr. Member. So if coldice didn't give you any merit, your account would remain at Newbie position.

We are making the forum too difficult for the people who do not understand how the forum works. When someday the forum will lose traffic, people all over will spread negative experience about us then we will understand what we have done.

FYI, you need 1 (one) merit and some activity to reach Jr. Member. So if coldice didn't give you any merit, your account would remain at Newbie position.

Question is how many newbie accounts or even accounts in altcoin sections know how merit and rank works. His story seems to be a natural story. I still do not understand how 4chan or even Reddit works. If I do anything which is not a good practice in their community but someone or bunch of users start calling me abuser, scammer, shady; do you think I will not lose my mind and even eventually I will tell them fuck off MFs; I am not going to spend a single time with you at all.

We are making the forum too difficult for the people who do not understand how the forum works. When someday the forum will lose traffic, people all over will spread negative experience about us then we will understand what we have done.

This is one of the reason I do not like those so called scam busters who are always looking for others mistakes and accusing account left and right. They are doing no favour for the community but building their own accounts to earn from the signature campaigns and may be when they get a good opportunity to scam a lender or anyone else, they will just do it before abandoned the account.

FYI, you need 1 (one) merit and some activity to reach Jr. Member. So if coldice didn't give you any merit, your account would remain at Newbie position.