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Quote from: Wiwo on December 15, 2023, 04:24:45 PM

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Quote from: digaran on December 14, 2023, 10:11:26 PM

So after mixers got banned, there will be a need to fill their empty space, soon we shall see new casinos coming in to play to compete with current services

Any casino who does why you are predicting will be thoroughly investigated for being a funnel for money laundering. There are more traffic to mixers than online casinos. Casinos have a low to medium budget which is why at some point during a signature campaign, some participants are removed because of budget cuts. Mixers on the other hand have a lot of money to throw around.

I don't know what ops stands to gain from this discussion a and just like I made my point clear in the first comment, there is no basis for both casino and mixer to get any form of comparison and for sure we have to look out for some of the possibilities that can make a gambling site misunderstood for being a tool for money mixing but also we should know that, for as long as casinos have the wagering requirements for each deposits, same goes with the risk that those that may seek to take casino as a mixing tool.

This is why most of them don't take casinos for money laundering because there is a high possibility of losing some or all the deposits and so long as it is included in the terms of service, the gambler may not have any case against them and at some point be seen as a noon mixing avenue.

That's what I was thinking about when he wanted to release this topic that they did. I just don't know if I'm thinking about this topic correctly, Op. Maybe what he wants to release is that the owners of the mixers can move into the gambling business here in the crypto industry.

But I'm not sure if this is what he meant to convey in this section. Then another thing is that gambling in the mixer is not the same; the difference between them is, to be honest, very large. So, it should not be compared to gambling, in my opinion.

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Quote from: Apocollapse on December 14, 2023, 10:33:10 PM

Many of those top quality posters who joined mixer campaign aren't gamblers, so the drawback they might not post in gambling board.

I'm not sure if we will see a new casinos campaign very soon after the mixer ban begin, but the current casinos can volunteer hiring them, just like some top users are wearing Duelbits signature.

But, how did you know that they are not gamblers? It's possible that a user isn't picky, and there is an opening in the mixer campaign, so they joined it. Or the pay rate for it, and other conditions are much better, so they switch on it. If you are on a gambling campaign, like it or not, you will be making some gambling posts. It was only a few posts anyway, and most of the posts are still going to be spread in many areas of the forum.

Mixers and casinos are different services. So even if there is a new casino that will spawn, right after the banning date, I am sure it has no relation to the mixer. And even if let say a mixing service will create a casino with a mixing feature, they won't still be allowed here.

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There's no space to be filled in the first place. The usual advertisement of gambling-related projects and services here will just be on usual. The same with other projects and services at different boards. I don't know why we should put a connection between the mixer case and casino.

Maybe let's just allow the campaign manager to address this. In the first place, they are the one who knows who will be fit on the campaign they managed. I don't see casino owners will take advantage of the case with mixers here. They have their own competition directly at the gambling industry.

Aside from that, the service that gambling companies should improved is about their platform itself, not the way they are promoting their brand here.

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Quote from: digaran on December 14, 2023, 10:11:26 PM

So after mixers got banned, there will be a need to fill their empty space, soon we shall see new casinos coming in to play to compete with current services

Any casino who does why you are predicting will be thoroughly investigated for being a funnel for money laundering. There are more traffic to mixers than online casinos. Casinos have a low to medium budget which is why at some point during a signature campaign, some participants are removed because of budget cuts. Mixers on the other hand have a lot of money to throw around.

I don't know what ops stands to gain from this discussion a and just like I made my point clear in the first comment, there is no basis for both casino and mixer to get any form of comparison and for sure we have to look out for some of the possibilities that can make a gambling site misunderstood for being a tool for money mixing but also we should know that, for as long as casinos have the wagering requirements for each deposits, same goes with the risk that those that may seek to take casino as a mixing tool.

This is why most of them don't take casinos for money laundering because there is a high possibility of losing some or all the deposits and so long as it is included in the terms of service, the gambler may not have any case against them and at some point be seen as a noon mixing avenue.

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Quote from: digaran on December 14, 2023, 10:11:26 PM

So after mixers got banned, there will be a need to fill their empty space, soon we shall see new casinos coming in to play to compete with current services, so I'd like to suggest to the currently active casinos to start hiring the best quality posters with competitive payments to win in the race of the best, just like bitmixer and chipmonkey plus other mixers did in the past to stay relevant.

Or there is another option, you can all migrate to another forum just like what mixers are doing, though there is no guarantee that you'd succeed over there, because guess what? Satoshi's legacy is right here, and just like the Bitcoin which was the prime alpha, still is and will remain so if God wants it, this forum will also remain the alpha among all crypto communities.

That's why there is no worthy adversary for this forum, just like there is no worthy adversary for Bitcoin.😉

Let the race begin!

Edit :

I think the forum was already in the race in that for years but I don't think a casino would pay like what the mixers did to their participants. They already established their market and that's already fine to the masses and just like other businesses they want some discounts if they wanted too especially in advertising.

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This is amazing how unbiased one board could be compared with another board of the same forum, nice.

You will notice something else that makes this board much different from any other board on this forum. But I'll let you figure that out for yourself.

Let me know if you need any clues. Wink

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that's a good marketing strategy for the mixer.

but wouldn't the authorities target your casino instead? they will look into this cheap casino that possibly has no license and just a bunch of games either roulette and dice and then the ad spaces are all mixers banners. this would put the casino and the owner into trouble as authorities would be going after you, identifying you, and going to the company server.

here's what mixers can do. they could just buy adspace from known crypto new sites if possible. and the race is creating blogs and youtube videos where we could be advertising mixers hardcoded into the videos.

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Quote from: digaran on December 14, 2023, 10:11:26 PM

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Let the race begin!

There's no race here, and I can't see the point in the headline "new strategies for casinos". As always, campaign managers are choosing participants, casinos have nothing to do with that. Now they will have a wider choice of participants, and that's it... I don't see some race here among casinos, maybe there will be a race between us who wish to be a part of some campaign, but that's nothing new. There have always been more members who want to earn than spots in the signature campaigns advertised here on the forum.

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Quote from: digaran on December 14, 2023, 10:11:26 PM

So after mixers got banned, there will be a need to fill their empty space, soon we shall see new casinos coming in to play to compete with current services, so I'd like to suggest to the currently active casinos to start hiring the best quality posters with competitive payments to win in the race of the best, just like bitmixer and chipmonkey plus other mixers did in the past to stay relevant.

Campaign owners need quality posters to get the attention of other users (public), but will it be good for their business if quality posters are not relevant? of course not right? They pay to at least be seen, therefore they're more attracted to the posters that are often on gambling boards.

Then, the payout in the gambling campaign isn't as big as the mixer campaign, which is probably one of the considerations for those quality posters. I agree that the payout in gambling campaigns are increased so that they attract the interest of quality posters.

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Quote from: digaran on December 14, 2023, 10:11:26 PM

So after mixers got banned, there will be a need to fill their empty space, soon we shall see new casinos coming in to play to compete with current services, so I'd like to suggest to the currently active casinos to start hiring the best quality posters with competitive payments to win in the race of the best, just like bitmixer and chipmonkey plus other mixers did in the past to stay relevant.

Or there is another option, you can all migrate to another forum just like what mixers are doing, though there is no guarantee that you'd succeed over there, because guess what? Satoshi's legacy is right here, and just like the Bitcoin which was the prime alpha, still is and will remain so if God wants it, this forum will also remain the alpha among all crypto communities.

That's why there is no worthy adversary for this forum, just like there is no worthy adversary for Bitcoin.😉

Let the race begin!

I don’t know how common decentralized casinos are that do not require a KYC, maybe the scheme “introduced cryptocurrency into a crypto casino, played hoping that the amount would not change much - withdrew using other addresses at the expense of the casino.” But I am sure that ordinary crypto casinos with KYC will easily give out all the information about you to the federal services and police.
Therefore, in general, I consider this whole scheme of laundering crypto finance through casinos to be a fiction. Mixers still exist, just not on BTT.

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Quote from: digaran on December 14, 2023, 10:11:26 PM

So after mixers got banned, there will be a need to fill their empty space, soon we shall see new casinos coming in to play to compete with current services, so I'd like to suggest to the currently active casinos to start hiring the best quality posters with competitive payments to win in the race of the best, just like bitmixer and chipmonkey plus other mixers did in the past to stay relevant.

Mixers website will still exist and just their ANN thread here will be removed which means their service existence is still there for their customer that need to mix their coin. Casino business is still very popular even before. Mixer just get the popularity recently due to the take down of Chipmixer since they want to share for the customers of CM but casino business is still the same strong as you can see on the number of active campaigns here that run long term.

I think this topic is more on service discussion thread since we are talking about campaign here and not casino itself.

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I glanced at the thread title like a casino strategy for a game, eh know it's different from my thoughts. LOL

Why not discuss in this thread? I think it's more relevant there than the gambling discussion board. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=85.0

Well as many said above many high quality posters avoid gambling posts, whereas in the gambling campaign rules there should be at least a gambling board even though there is no specific rule for gambling, but indirectly we know in the gambling campaign is the majority who like to gamble.

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Quote from: ryzaadit on December 14, 2023, 10:51:02 PM

I don't think with mixer case and casino is connected.

It's a different business and sector, I don't think we have a new casino just because the mixer closed. I also agree with @Apocollapse, some of people who are using signature from mixer are avoiding (gambling signature) due is bad habit.

I also don't think, manager are gonna to accept as well non-gambling poster user for gambling sector.

Also you should really be wary that not all gambling wearing fellas are gamblers and this is why it isnt really that just right to be conclusive that those mixer signature participants doesnt really know gambling. The only thing that i do agree is that both are different industries, now that mixers are banned and also into its signature or marketing which it isnt really just that connected that
casino or gambling business would really be trying out raise or open some slots for them? I dont think so that it would happening because it would really be that entirely
depending on the campaign manager. If there would really be some removal then its his choice but i dont see for it to likely happen yet it would be something a hassle thing
plus we know that to those current participants on gambling related signatures arent that bad either.I do feel on trying out to push someone just because they are entitled?

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There shouldn't be a need for racing because mixers and casinos are different. Let things run their course.
Maybe there will be something behind this that we can't guess, especially since many forums are outside this forum. Maybe some of the mixers are still operating outside this forum, but we also don't know what the mixers that are still operating will do.
Indeed, this forum may still be the alpha among all other crypto forums because Satoshi started from here. But we also know that there are still other forums that also talk about crypto. This may be the beginning of crypto's increasing popularity.
So it's better to follow the flow and wait for what will happen while enjoying the journey.

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Quote from: digaran on December 14, 2023, 10:11:26 PM

So after mixers got banned, there will be a need to fill their empty space, soon we shall see new casinos coming in to play to compete with current services,

Does it mean mixers' operators will close their businesses and open fresh brand new online crypto casinos in replacement? Well, it doesn't make sense at all.

First, because mixers won't cease, rather they will continue existing and operating in the shadows of internet (and it will remain as a profitable business for owners).

Second, if they really wished to start an online casino to launder money, it wouldn't be that efficient, since KYC is still mandatory for this category of business, so they would have to follow all the regulations like every other crypto casino around, what isn't interesting for them.

And third, brand new casinos always have a hard time competing against the consolidated ones which are present on this industry for several years already. And considering how saturated of services this niche is, it would be a very risky investment to start...

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Quote from: digaran on December 14, 2023, 10:11:26 PM

So after mixers got banned, there will be a need to fill their empty space, soon we shall see new casinos coming in to play to compete with current services, so I'd like to suggest to the currently active casinos to start hiring the best quality posters with competitive payments to win in the race of the best, just like bitmixer and chipmonkey plus other mixers did in the past to stay relevant.

Knowledge of gambling is a prerequisite for you to be in a gambling campaign and there are already a lot of quality posters about gambling in the campaigns, the managers have a scoring system for every participant like they do in our campaign here in Stake, other managers are doing the same, we cannot compare a mixing business to gambling industry they are worlds apart, because mixers have a limited platform to promote their business, while casinos have a lot of platforms that cater for their business.

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Or there is another option, you can all migrate to another forum just like what mixers are doing, though there is no guarantee that you'd succeed over there, because guess what? Satoshi's legacy is right here, and just like the Bitcoin which was the prime alpha, still is and will remain so if God wants it, this forum will also remain the alpha among all crypto communities.

That's why there is no worthy adversary for this forum, just like there is no worthy adversary for Bitcoin.😉

I don't know where you get the idea that casino promotions are not doing well here or do you know something that we don't know like casinos will not be tolerated here, casinos are very much welcome here and the forum Administrator is in support of the Crypto casino industry, Bitcointalk is still the best place to promote all the other platforms are secondary for casinos.

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Quote from: aioc on December 15, 2023, 04:15:27 AM

Quote from: digaran on December 14, 2023, 10:11:26 PM

So after mixers got banned, there will be a need to fill their empty space, soon we shall see new casinos coming in to play to compete with current services, so I'd like to suggest to the currently active casinos to start hiring the best quality posters with competitive payments to win in the race of the best, just like bitmixer and chipmonkey plus other mixers did in the past to stay relevant.

Casino campaign participants are required to post a specific number in the gambling section to qualify for payment and you must have a good knowledge of gambling and sports betting because you are promoting a gambling platform and you are targetting casino players, and many of the posters here are players of casinos or they have an account on casinos so they know the in and out of casinos.
As long as the forum allows the promotion of casinos here I don't think there is a need to transfer to another forum, and casinos are a big industry that is compliant to the government compared to mixers.

For sure it will happen since campaign managers will always do what's best for their campaign also to the company they are promoting since if they hired quality poster which always hit their target goals then for sure this will give them more result. Unlike if they just hired a pure spammer for sure many people will ignore their post then maybe with that they cannot get a good result for the campaign they've done since the people they hired is not actually engaging on the community but rather just post because they only want to hit their quotas. Also we don't need to worry about casino since as long as they have license that mean they are legal to operate and allowed to do some good business people who would like to gamble on their casino.

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Quote from: digaran on December 14, 2023, 10:11:26 PM

So after mixers got banned, there will be a need to fill their empty space, soon we shall see new casinos coming in to play to compete with current services

Any casino who does why you are predicting will be thoroughly investigated for being a funnel for money laundering. There are more traffics to mixers than online casinos. Casinos have a low to medium budget that is why at some point during a signature campaign, some participants are removed because if budget cuts. Mixers on the other hand have a lot of money to throw around.

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Quote from: digaran on December 14, 2023, 10:11:26 PM

So after mixers got banned, there will be a need to fill their empty space, soon we shall see new casinos coming in to play to compete with current services, so I'd like to suggest to the currently active casinos to start hiring the best quality posters with competitive payments to win in the race of the best, just like bitmixer and chipmonkey plus other mixers did in the past to stay relevant.

Or there is another option, you can all migrate to another forum just like what mixers are doing, though there is no guarantee that you'd succeed over there, because guess what? Satoshi's legacy is right here, and just like the Bitcoin which was the prime alpha, still is and will remain so if God wants it, this forum will also remain the alpha among all crypto communities.

That's why there is no worthy adversary for this forum, just like there is no worthy adversary for Bitcoin.😉

Let the race begin!

Every business will have to consider its financial base as well as its profits before considering how much to spend on advertising. I might be wrong but I think Mixers make more money than casinos. Casinos have to also pay for licenses and hire more staff than mixers. Mixers don't have to be licensed to operate so they don't incur this cost, which could increase their profit margin.

Regarding the strategy to attract the best posters to casino campaigns, I will use the economic principle of supply which states that the higher the supply the lesser the price. These quality posters will be forced to accept low pay when many of them are out of campaign. They will have to choose between staying without campaigns and accepting a low pay rate. The demand for campaign might soon be higher than the supply and many members will gratefully accept a low pay rate. But we expect more casinos, exchanges and other crypto-related services to come to the forum to make campaigns more competitive,

Many campaigns have proposed moving to other platforms to continue business. It will definitely bring traffic to these platforms since some members will move to these alternatives. But we just have to watch to see how this will play out.

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Quote from: digaran on December 14, 2023, 10:11:26 PM

So after mixers got banned, there will be a need to fill their empty space, soon we shall see new casinos coming in to play to compete with current services, so I'd like to suggest to the currently active casinos to start hiring the best quality posters with competitive payments to win in the race of the best, just like bitmixer and chipmonkey plus other mixers did in the past to stay relevant.

All I know Stake.com has the best posters of the week and so are the other casino-based platforms, if you are knowledgeable about sports and casino you will likely get hired than if you're good on mining topics only because participants need to post 5 to 10 times or even more in the gambling section, you will read in every campaign rules that if you're not active in gambling section do not apply on this campaign

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Or there is another option, you can all migrate to another forum just like what mixers are doing, though there is no guarantee that you'd succeed over there, because guess what? Satoshi's legacy is right here, and just like the Bitcoin which was the prime alpha, still is and will remain so if God wants it, this forum will also remain the alpha among all crypto communities.

They are still doing great here, there is no announcement coming from Theymos that they will not allow casinos only mixers, so they will still prefer Bitcointalk as their main forum to promote their platform, until there are no announcements this is one of the forums worth promoting for casinos.

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