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Quote from: Saisher on December 18, 2023, 05:43:33 AM

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Sigh! People don't like the truth, until they get hammered by what they believe to be true, like seriously, how are you going to feel comfortable using a platform with your money if not by reading their conditions? You won't even know maybe what you are about to do is forbidden by them, and when you get punished you will start saying they are scam, why do people hate reading Terms and conditions so much? I don't get it.

Terms and condition is the most important, if you can't read just skip some part by scrolling to the part where you need to see if KYC is a must to keep using the platform or not, believe me there is always something in the Terms and condition that you must be aware of, many people are living different types of countries, and some have hard laws on gambling.

OP you are to be blame for your lack of responsibility, the Rollbit team are not the ones to do one reading for customers, it's left for people to check this Terms and condition out first, if you are not satisfied with what you see you should look elsewhere.

If only the casinos didn't make it so boring to read then a lot of people would probably know about the terms and condition but so far the trend of making the terms and condition look so boring to read is still the same as back in 2010s so I don't know if we're really the one to blame for all of this, terms and conditions are where business put in the malicious stuff that not a lot of people would agree to be a part of because they know that if they put it there, there's less likely people that will read it and technically they're in the right when it comes to the complaints. If you want to know the feeling of hating to read the terms and conditions or maybe even skipping it and just agreeing with it, try reading the Bible or the Dictionary and you'll probably understand what's the feeling.

However boring it may seem, it's still your responsibility to read and understand the terms of service, it's your responsibility to yourself to see to it that your account and money are safe you don't want to blame yourself later if you win a big amount of money and you cannot withdraw it because you overlooked something in the casino's terms of service.
Reading and understanding the terms of service is very important it's your guide and your defense in case, you encounter issues on your account.

If you dont really care about your money(which is impossible) then reading up a few minutes with those pile of text wont really be giving any harm but rather it would be giving out that
awareness because reading up terms would really be always that beneficial on which this is a solid example on why it is really that important that you should really be giving out that kind of
priority on reading up those TOS because if you dont then you would really be ending up such as this situation which do really sucks specially if your funds had been locked up and been
having no clear chance whether it would be released or would really be that revoked.

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Quote from: BigCoin95 on December 17, 2023, 11:01:12 AM

Hello everyone,
I've been betting on Rollbit for about two months, just yesterday a friend of mine was banned after completing KYC and the reason they gave him was that he was an Italian user.
Without completing the KYC, is it possible to operate on Rollbit also for Italian users?
I ask for help because I don't want to find myself with blocked funds just for being Italian

Rollbit Razer could you help me?

There is some good news and bad news. But then again the good news depends on your countries laws. I can only talk from a perspective of my countries laws.

The bad news is that Italy is one of the countries which is prohibited on the Terms and Services of Rollbit. Therefore your friend was not allowed to use their services in the first place and I doubt there is anything he can do to undo this.

The good news is that he might be able get a refund for all his deposits, because he was not allowed to used their services in the first place and therefore they are not allowed to keep his money. They have to give all deposits back. Again, this is from a non-lawyer perspective of my own countries laws.

As for you, you might get into trouble if you are an italian user on Rollbit.

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Quote from: CODE200 on December 18, 2023, 04:42:36 AM

Quote from: Crypt0Gore on December 18, 2023, 04:24:39 AM

Sigh! People don't like the truth, until they get hammered by what they believe to be true, like seriously, how are you going to feel comfortable using a platform with your money if not by reading their conditions? You won't even know maybe what you are about to do is forbidden by them, and when you get punished you will start saying they are scam, why do people hate reading Terms and conditions so much? I don't get it.

Terms and condition is the most important, if you can't read just skip some part by scrolling to the part where you need to see if KYC is a must to keep using the platform or not, believe me there is always something in the Terms and condition that you must be aware of, many people are living different types of countries, and some have hard laws on gambling.

OP you are to be blame for your lack of responsibility, the Rollbit team are not the ones to do one reading for customers, it's left for people to check this Terms and condition out first, if you are not satisfied with what you see you should look elsewhere.

If only the casinos didn't make it so boring to read then a lot of people would probably know about the terms and condition but so far the trend of making the terms and condition look so boring to read is still the same as back in 2010s so I don't know if we're really the one to blame for all of this, terms and conditions are where business put in the malicious stuff that not a lot of people would agree to be a part of because they know that if they put it there, there's less likely people that will read it and technically they're in the right when it comes to the complaints. If you want to know the feeling of hating to read the terms and conditions or maybe even skipping it and just agreeing with it, try reading the Bible or the Dictionary and you'll probably understand what's the feeling.

However boring it may seem, it's still your responsibility to read and understand the terms of service, it's your responsibility to yourself to see to it that your account and money are safe you don't want to blame yourself later if you win a big amount of money and you cannot withdraw it because you overlooked something in the casino's terms of service.
Reading and understanding the terms of service is very important it's your guide and your defense in case, you encounter issues on your account.

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Quote from: BigCoin95 on December 17, 2023, 11:01:12 AM

Hello everyone,
I've been betting on Rollbit for about two months, just yesterday a friend of mine was banned after completing KYC and the reason they gave him was that he was an Italian user.
Without completing the KYC, is it possible to operate on Rollbit also for Italian users?
I ask for help because I don't want to find myself with blocked funds just for being Italian

Rollbit Razer could you help me?

For your own safety, don't bypass restriction via VPN because once you are asked for KYC, you'll be in trouble like your friend. It's better to find a casino that allows you to play from italy.
Another option for you might be to use a VPN with dedicated IP and always keep in mind that once you'll be asked for KYC, your funds will be gone, i.e. only deposit what you can afford to lose and don't expect to withdraw big wins. But I don't recommend this method.

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Quote from: BigCoin95 on December 17, 2023, 11:18:43 AM

RollBit also sponsors the Napoli team Huh

They can sponsor any Italian team, but if their license prohibits them to serve Italian users, there is no way they can bend that ToS and risk getting into legal trouble by serving Italy illegally. Sponsoring a team from a country is entirely different from allowing users from that country to play on their platform. Again, it's more of them having limits on their license rather than them not wanting to do business with you guys. Trust me, they want to serve as much countries as they can IF they can.

They can sponsor whatever team they want but it doesn't really make sense to promote Napoli and ban Italian players because Napoli fans are among the top four in Italy in terms of numbers and the enthusiasm in supporting the team [Source]. So, his upset makes sense for me.

To be honest, I can't understand the ToS of these casinos. They block the most wealthiest countries but at the same time run promotions that are aimed to attract people from these wealthy nations, doesn't really make sense

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Quote from: Crypt0Gore on December 18, 2023, 04:24:39 AM

Sigh! People don't like the truth, until they get hammered by what they believe to be true, like seriously, how are you going to feel comfortable using a platform with your money if not by reading their conditions? You won't even know maybe what you are about to do is forbidden by them, and when you get punished you will start saying they are scam, why do people hate reading Terms and conditions so much? I don't get it.

Terms and condition is the most important, if you can't read just skip some part by scrolling to the part where you need to see if KYC is a must to keep using the platform or not, believe me there is always something in the Terms and condition that you must be aware of, many people are living different types of countries, and some have hard laws on gambling.

OP you are to be blame for your lack of responsibility, the Rollbit team are not the ones to do one reading for customers, it's left for people to check this Terms and condition out first, if you are not satisfied with what you see you should look elsewhere.

If only the casinos didn't make it so boring to read then a lot of people would probably know about the terms and condition but so far the trend of making the terms and condition look so boring to read is still the same as back in 2010s so I don't know if we're really the one to blame for all of this, terms and conditions are where business put in the malicious stuff that not a lot of people would agree to be a part of because they know that if they put it there, there's less likely people that will read it and technically they're in the right when it comes to the complaints. If you want to know the feeling of hating to read the terms and conditions or maybe even skipping it and just agreeing with it, try reading the Bible or the Dictionary and you'll probably understand what's the feeling.

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Sigh! People don't like the truth, until they get hammered by what they believe to be true, like seriously, how are you going to feel comfortable using a platform with your money if not by reading their conditions? You won't even know maybe what you are about to do is forbidden by them, and when you get punished you will start saying they are scam, why do people hate reading Terms and conditions so much? I don't get it.

Terms and condition is the most important, if you can't read just skip some part by scrolling to the part where you need to see if KYC is a must to keep using the platform or not, believe me there is always something in the Terms and condition that you must be aware of, many people are living different types of countries, and some have hard laws on gambling.

OP you are to be blame for your lack of responsibility, the Rollbit team are not the ones to do one reading for customers, it's left for people to check this Terms and condition out first, if you are not satisfied with what you see you should look elsewhere.

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Quote from: BigCoin95 on December 17, 2023, 11:01:12 AM

Hello everyone,
I've been betting on Rollbit for about two months, just yesterday a friend of mine was banned after completing KYC and the reason they gave him was that he was an Italian user.
Without completing the KYC, is it possible to operate on Rollbit also for Italian users?
I ask for help because I don't want to find myself with blocked funds just for being Italian

Rollbit Razer could you help me?

Anyone can help you with good advice here, it must not necessarily mean those who are betting with Rollbit. Without wasting time, I just confirmed that Rollbit doesn't accept Italian customers again. Are you an Italian? You never indicated it. And if you are just like your friend, it's good that you abide by their rules. You never also completed the narration because you never let us know if your friend's money is hooked there or not. Regardless, if they give him his money and part ways with him, that is fine, it's a mere goodbye, and he will find another better casino, so it's no big deal. And if you really are an Italian, you should do the same because you will definitely be met with the same fate over time, there is no way you will escape that. This is the reason why it is good to do your KYC even before you start depositing and gambling with casinos, by this, the issue would have been revealed early enough and you must have known the fate of moving to others soon enough. Nonetheless, I just searched about Stake.com to see if they allow Italians or not and the good news is that I never found where it stated that Stake won't allow an Italian. This is a better alternative for you, you have nothing to lose. So lift the spirit again.

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Quote from: BigCoin95 on December 17, 2023, 11:01:12 AM

Hello everyone,
I've been betting on Rollbit for about two months, just yesterday a friend of mine was banned after completing KYC and the reason they gave him was that he was an Italian user.
Without completing the KYC, is it possible to operate on Rollbit also for Italian users?
I ask for help because I don't want to find myself with blocked funds just for being Italian

Rollbit Razer could you help me?

Since you have learnt that Italian users arent welcomed on Rollbit through your friend who's account was banned, the only and best thing right now for you to do is withdraw your funds from Rollbit right and simply stop using them, this is to be on the safe side.
The longer you keep playing there and hoping nothing wrong happens, the higher the chances that you may win a good amount of money and upon requesting a withdrawal, you will be asked to pass kyc verification before your withdrawal request can be processed.

If the casino through your kyc verification learn that you are playing from Italy, they may ban your account as well and confiscate all your winnings including your capital, and if you do not verify, you likely will never get your funds, and if you decide to submit a fake document, there is a high chance that they will find out, and if they do, they will again ban you, and confiscate all your money.

So, the best thing to do now is to better find another casino where players from your country are welcomed, there are several crypto online gambling casinos to choose from, you can also try stake, but first find out if players from your country are welcomed.

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Tell me one good reason why it's not good to read terms and conditions of a online casino before using it again? We have warned many people too many times about the importance of Terms and Comditions, if it's not important it won't be available on the platforms for new users to read.

Things like restricted countries, KYC requirements, and others are inside their AML policies, if you don't read it you will never know, many people have lost funds to online casinos because they are operating from a location that's not supported and they will come online to tarnish the image of the online casinos.

Some people rush to make their first deposits on a casino and later found out that they need to pass KYC before they can withdraw their money, do not be a lazy person with your money, it can cost big.

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Saw that Italy is in the resrticted country list and therefore nothing can be done. This is why it is necessary to always check the list of restricted countries, KYC mandatory or not and terms for using bonus. When you don't read those important information you get stuck in such issues. I don't think that your friend would have any chance of getting his money back. In order to find out whether you can still play and withdraw without going through KYC, you can read their AML policy.

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Quote from: mak013 on December 18, 2023, 12:32:47 AM

... There are lots of casinos without such restrictions with high quality gambling.

This is not true! Don't give fake claims/suggestions...

Quote from: bitbollo on December 17, 2023, 01:20:16 PM

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ANY site that is not listed in AAMS/hence has not a license cannot be used by Italians on Italy territory.
...

I would pay "attention if a site accept" Italians players (with KYC) since here in Italy they are completely illegally.

https://www.adm.gov.it/portale/en/monopoli/giochi/gioco_distanza/gioco_dist_concessionari
above, full list of gambling site authorized in Italy.

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It is written in their ToS. So you can choose another casino, or you can use VPN. But if the casino will decide to KYC you - it will become a problem.
As for me, the best decision is to change casino. There are lots of casinos without such restrictions with high quality gambling.

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Quote from: Hatchy on December 17, 2023, 11:06:40 AM

You might have considered posting this on their Ann thread here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbitcom-cryptos-most-rewarding-casino-5326640 so someone from their team might be able to reply you.

From the image above, it's clearly stated that users from Italy and the rest above mentioned countries aren't allowed to use their services. So it might have been a fault from your friends end since he is an Italian. This shows why it is very necessary to read the Toc of and service before using them.

Regarding form this image clearly OP not allowed to be part for RollBit but he was verified account and automatically detected with his region country, actually all countries allowed for using RollBit if not submit KYC document and the gambling platform can't detect well where your country or user come from. Risk with not allowed country from RollBit but keep push their self for joining when huge amount withdrawing and required with KYC will difficult how to verify it.
Due OP have verified his account and ask for RollBit teams are available for refunding his fund or not and account automatically will lock because restrict with RollBit policy rule.

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You need to read the rules first, if you still continue to gamble despite knowing the risk, then that means you are willing to take the risk.

Since your friend account got banned, I like to ask if the fund was release or not? Because honestly, I have no idea about how the casinos would handle the funds of the user/s that are banned, if they aren't guided by the law to confiscate it and remit it to the authority, then a just casino should return your funds so you can go ahead and look for another gambling site that would completely welcome you.

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Quote from: erep on December 17, 2023, 05:20:57 PM

but I'm thinking of another solution option, if he hasn't applied for KYC but he uses other people's data from a legal gambling country, will the KYC be accepted?

I wouldn't recommend doing this. Not only because it is cheating but because it will do nothing but complicating things and making it harder to reach a friendly resolution for the problem.
Casinos already know about these cheating techniques and it will be hard to fool them. In OP's friend case, Rollbit asked him to verify his identity because they most likely know he is from a restricted country. If he submits fake documents, they will definitely ask for a extended verification such as a video call.

Better be honest and if you are lucky enough, they might let you withdraw your initial deposit.

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They are targeting Napoli fans and they're global so, they can still be part of that casino if they are sponsoring it.

Next time, tell your friend that he should be aware of the terms and conditions so that he'd be able to choose the casino that he won't get banned.

Like, it's going to be the first basis of his priority factor to choose if the casino is available on your country or not.

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Quote from: Hatchy on December 17, 2023, 11:06:40 AM

From the image above, it's clearly stated that users from Italy and the rest above mentioned countries aren't allowed to use their services. So it might have been a fault from your friends end since he is an Italian. This shows why it is very necessary to read the Toc of and service before using them.

His friend had ignored the TOS before the casino service had been used, after he found out that users from Italy were rejected then he complained here but unfortunately there is no solution to that problem because it is very clearly stated that Italy is on the list of countries that are prohibited for casinos, hopefully it will be experience for anyone to read the TOS before using casino services.

but I'm thinking of another solution option, if he hasn't applied for KYC but he uses other people's data from a legal gambling country, will the KYC be accepted?

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Quote from: BigCoin95 on December 17, 2023, 11:01:12 AM

I've been betting on Rollbit for about two months, just yesterday a friend of mine was banned after completing KYC and the reason they gave him was that he was an Italian user.
Without completing the KYC, is it possible to operate on Rollbit also for Italian users?

Don't you just understand the meaning of banned?

Yes, you may continue betting on the platform, but one day you will make a huge win and attempt to withdraw and that is when they will ask for your KYC documents. What will you do?
Obviously, from the legal side of things, you won't beat them since the terms of service are very clear.

Just withdraw your funds and move on.

Quote from: BigCoin95 on December 17, 2023, 11:18:43 AM

RollBit also sponsors the Napoli team Huh

Does it matter?

Napoli does not use Rollbit to bet Roll Eyes

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Quote from: BigCoin95 on December 17, 2023, 11:01:12 AM

Hello everyone,
I've been betting on Rollbit for about two months, just yesterday a friend of mine was banned after completing KYC and the reason they gave him was that he was an Italian user.
Without completing the KYC, is it possible to operate on Rollbit also for Italian users?
I ask for help because I don't want to find myself with blocked funds just for being Italian

No don't continue playing there even if you do not complete their KYC because one way or another they will ask you for KYC sooner or later it's better to take action now or regret it later when you win a big amount of money and you can't withdraw it, they have a reason now not to grant your withdrawal because right now you're violating their terms by playing in their platform.
Next time always check the terms of service before playing in a casino, you'll get trapped if you choose to ignore the terms of service, casinos should not let people from joining their platform but some casinos are not blocking these people creating a trap for people who do not read their terms.

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Quote from: Hatchy on December 17, 2023, 11:06:40 AM

You might have considered posting this on their Ann thread here https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbitcom-cryptos-most-rewarding-casino-5326640 so someone from their team might be able to reply you.

From the image above, it's clearly stated that users from Italy and the rest above mentioned countries aren't allowed to use their services. So it might have been a fault from your friends end since he is an Italian. This shows why it is very necessary to read the Toc of and service before using them.

Yeah. But then again unless his friend used a VPN to access Rollbit and play in the gambling site I think the fault is not entirely upon the user. It's a must that you read the terms and agreement yes, but let's face it, no one's reading all of that especially if you're slapped with a great wall of text talking about business mumbo-jumbo you know jackshit about. Court cases were filed for this discussion and users have won under the same premises, so in that regard I think Rollbit should really go out there and make their site inaccessible for countries that they are ineligible to operate with (If they already haven't). If they do, then nice and I guess the fault is really upon the user this time. Rollbit's not liable to do any more business with him.

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