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April 29, 2011, 05:25:28 AM
#51
Can someone tell me how BTC is going to the moon when it is still relatively difficult to acquire in the first place? I imagine there are a lot of people who think Bitcoin is really cool but don't get involved much past playing around with the small amount of BTC from the Bitcoin Faucet. Given the difficulty of acquiring BTC, I think the fact that BTC made it to almost $2 is amazing in the first place.

How easy is it to acquire gold?

How easy is it to acquire a Credit Default Obligation?

How easy is it to acquire yellowcake uranium?

Do you mean Credit Default Swap, or Collateralized Debt Obligation?

Surprisingly easy actually if you mean the first.
sr. member
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April 29, 2011, 04:11:15 AM
#50
Prices are rising exponentially driven probably by difficulty, we should have 5$ for next july and 20$ for january 2012.
newbie
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April 29, 2011, 01:36:52 AM
#49
Unless bitcoin gets destroyed somehow (government) or something better comes along,

And that's why I'm voting, in the USA for 2012, for the one candidate that understands sound money...

newbie
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April 28, 2011, 11:49:23 PM
#48
I don't think this year, but next year is a possibility.
legendary
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Strength in numbers
April 26, 2011, 11:26:49 PM
#47

Something that I think a lot of people don't realise is that if bitcoin were very easy to come by and acquire they would probably be worth a lot more than they are now.

There are only 6 mill. in circulation at present, if a larger proportion of the population could easily swap in and out of bitcoins, by the simple fact of the numbers involved, it would have to be for much lower denominations of bitcoins than are currently traded. A consequence of that is the average user who is now able to get his hands on BTC 250 for U$500 would probably only be able to get a tenth as much if 10 times more people are able to buy and sell them easily, for example.

There just aren't that many to go around and the more people that drop a few bucks into BTC the higher their value must go, as long as that nominal amount of $ going into BTC per person remains approximately constant.

At least a few people realize Smiley
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
April 26, 2011, 11:19:27 PM
#46

Something that I think a lot of people don't realise is that if bitcoin were very easy to come by and acquire they would probably be worth a lot more than they are now.

There are only 6 mill. in circulation at present, if a larger proportion of the population could easily swap in and out of bitcoins, by the simple fact of the numbers involved, it would have to be for much lower denominations of bitcoins than are currently traded. A consequence of that is the average user who is now able to get his hands on BTC 250 for U$500 would probably only be able to get a tenth as much if 10 times more people are able to buy and sell them easily, for example.

There just aren't that many to go around and the more people that drop a few bucks into BTC the higher their value must go, as long as that nominal amount of $ going into BTC per person remains approximately constant.
legendary
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April 25, 2011, 07:59:20 PM
#45
Can someone tell me how BTC is going to the moon when it is still relatively difficult to acquire in the first place? I imagine there are a lot of people who think Bitcoin is really cool but don't get involved much past playing around with the small amount of BTC from the Bitcoin Faucet. Given the difficulty of acquiring BTC, I think the fact that BTC made it to almost $2 is amazing in the first place.

Bitcoin is getting easier to acquire every month. I imagine this trend will continue, accelerating adoption. The more bitcoin usage there is, the faster it grows, at least in these early stages. This is the definition of exponential growth.

Yes, Bitcoin definately benefits from the 'network effect'.  The more who adopt it, the more the meme is spread.  The more the meme is spread, the more who adopt it.  And the more who adopt it, the higher the price tends to go.  The higher the price tends to go, the more secure the system becomes.  The more secure the system becomes, the more faith current users have in the system.  The more faith the users have in the system, the more that each is willing to risk in the system.  The more that each user is willing to risk in the system, the more valuable that bitcoins become.

I expect this to continue until Bitcoin reaches an equilibrium of new users versus users leaving, at which point it will either be mainstream and stable, or an epic failure.
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April 25, 2011, 06:29:31 PM
#44
Can someone tell me how BTC is going to the moon when it is still relatively difficult to acquire in the first place? I imagine there are a lot of people who think Bitcoin is really cool but don't get involved much past playing around with the small amount of BTC from the Bitcoin Faucet. Given the difficulty of acquiring BTC, I think the fact that BTC made it to almost $2 is amazing in the first place.

Bitcoin is getting easier to acquire every month. I imagine this trend will continue, accelerating adoption. The more bitcoin usage there is, the faster it grows, at least in these early stages. This is the definition of exponential growth.
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April 25, 2011, 05:25:22 PM
#43
$20 - nope. But $10 is quite possible.
sr. member
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April 25, 2011, 05:16:18 PM
#42
Can someone tell me how BTC is going to the moon when it is still relatively difficult to acquire in the first place? I imagine there are a lot of people who think Bitcoin is really cool but don't get involved much past playing around with the small amount of BTC from the Bitcoin Faucet. Given the difficulty of acquiring BTC, I think the fact that BTC made it to almost $2 is amazing in the first place.
Bitcoin is hard money and therefore it’s only natural that it is a bit difficult to acquire. In comparison with precious metals it is pretty easy to buy and secure Bitcoins, though.

What would help at this stage is reputable (non-Bitcoin) exchanges adding Bitcoin to their supply in my opinion.

With regard to the thread I think that 20 USD/BTC is probable this year.

It would be a lot easier to buy BTC if online exchanges started acceping GreenDot MoneyPak and Paysafecard. That would allow anyone to go to a Walmart etc. buy a cash card and then use that to get BTC. It's better than PayPal because there are no chargebacks.

As for gold, there are actually a significant number of localized gold dealers. BTC doesn't have anywhere near that kind of local access. If it did, I would be a lot more optimistic about 20 USD/BTC.

20 USD/BTC is extremely unlikely this year.
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April 25, 2011, 04:19:21 PM
#41
I have to agree with dissipate. For non-technical people there is only one way to convert their currency into bitcoins, and that is coinpal. If there were more points of exchange like this, people would not only be trading at mt-gox/bitcoin-otc/etc, but shops would start accepting it and it would get more widely adopted in general.

It's not the matter of acquiring - it's about the ability to exchange the currency you have to BTC

How many people do you know who trade Forex? That takes much more wherewithal that figuring out how to use Coinpal and a Bitcoin client. The point being, it need not cater to everyman in order to have significant economic impact. But all this will come in time, it is still a fledgling project compared with something like a Forex or a PayPal...

Even so, I can go to any bank or international airport and exchange foreign currency.  I may not get the best rate, but it's super easy.
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April 25, 2011, 02:48:53 PM
#40
Can someone tell me how BTC is going to the moon when it is still relatively difficult to acquire in the first place? I imagine there are a lot of people who think Bitcoin is really cool but don't get involved much past playing around with the small amount of BTC from the Bitcoin Faucet. Given the difficulty of acquiring BTC, I think the fact that BTC made it to almost $2 is amazing in the first place.

Just because it is hard to obtain now doesn't mean it always will be.  It's a bit of a chicken and the egg problem, but once anything big has a big advantage in using BTC, then the other pieces will fall into place because they will have to fall into place and there will be profit to be made.
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April 25, 2011, 02:14:50 PM
#39
I have to agree with dissipate. For non-technical people there is only one way to convert their currency into bitcoins, and that is coinpal. If there were more points of exchange like this, people would not only be trading at mt-gox/bitcoin-otc/etc, but shops would start accepting it and it would get more widely adopted in general.

It's not the matter of acquiring - it's about the ability to exchange the currency you have to BTC
legendary
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April 25, 2011, 02:12:27 PM
#38
Can someone tell me how BTC is going to the moon when it is still relatively difficult to acquire in the first place? I imagine there are a lot of people who think Bitcoin is really cool but don't get involved much past playing around with the small amount of BTC from the Bitcoin Faucet. Given the difficulty of acquiring BTC, I think the fact that BTC made it to almost $2 is amazing in the first place.

How easy is it to acquire gold?

How easy is it to acquire a Credit Default Obligation?

How easy is it to acquire yellowcake uranium?

For that matter, how easy is it to aquire US FRNs?  Sure, they are common enough, but you still have to have a job and work hours for the few that you get, do you not?
N12
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April 25, 2011, 01:46:09 PM
#37
Can someone tell me how BTC is going to the moon when it is still relatively difficult to acquire in the first place? I imagine there are a lot of people who think Bitcoin is really cool but don't get involved much past playing around with the small amount of BTC from the Bitcoin Faucet. Given the difficulty of acquiring BTC, I think the fact that BTC made it to almost $2 is amazing in the first place.
Bitcoin is hard money and therefore it’s only natural that it is a bit difficult to acquire. In comparison with precious metals it is pretty easy to buy and secure Bitcoins, though.

What would help at this stage is reputable (non-Bitcoin) exchanges adding Bitcoin to their supply in my opinion.

With regard to the thread I think that 20 USD/BTC is probable this year.
sr. member
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April 25, 2011, 01:41:57 PM
#36
Can someone tell me how BTC is going to the moon when it is still relatively difficult to acquire in the first place? I imagine there are a lot of people who think Bitcoin is really cool but don't get involved much past playing around with the small amount of BTC from the Bitcoin Faucet. Given the difficulty of acquiring BTC, I think the fact that BTC made it to almost $2 is amazing in the first place.
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April 25, 2011, 11:57:19 AM
#35
The market for BTC is so insanely small right now. It really won't take much to increase the BTC/USD to above $20. What would be considered a tiny investor in conventional financial markets could singlehandedly double BTC in a day. Even though we have already seen large % increases, the total demand for BTC is still extremely low when compared to almost any other product.
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April 25, 2011, 11:24:38 AM
#34
I am with the super bitbulls.

I'd say USD/BTC exchange rate will be a 2 digit number i.e. 10$ - 99$ sometime in 2011, 3 digit number number sometime in 2012, 4 digit number in 2013, 5 digit number in 2014 and will "stabilise" as a 6 digit number for the rest of the decade.



Is this based on increase use of BTC or collapse of USD?

I'd be more interested in BTC/gold.
hero member
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April 25, 2011, 10:33:30 AM
#33
I am with the super bitbulls.

I'd say USD/BTC exchange rate will be a 2 digit number i.e. 10$ - 99$ sometime in 2011, 3 digit number number sometime in 2012, 4 digit number in 2013, 5 digit number in 2014 and will "stabilise" as a 6 digit number for the rest of the decade.


I will bet 500USD + 500BTC against each of these.
legendary
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April 25, 2011, 06:24:07 AM
#32
Fundamentally, there will likely be new fund inflows to buy bitcoins in the next days - given the massive news coverage.

People who sell now between 1.6 and 2.0 might be surprised if prices break above 2 $ with big momentum.

The bitcoin market is so small that a small investor can drive the value up to 3, 5, 10 $ with ease.
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