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Topic: 10 Amazing Acts Of Defiance Throughout History (Read 6079 times)

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source ---> http://edition.cnn.com/2011/SPORT/football/01/05/iraq.asia.six.games/
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Dinamo Zagreb versus Red Star Belgrade (1990)
Yugoslavia was already on the brink of imploding by the time Serbia's Red Star Belgrade played Croatia's Dinamo Zagreb at the latter's Maksimir Stadium. Pro- independence parties had already won recent Croatian elections. But the events that unfolded on March 13, 1990 are regarded by many as the opening salvo of the most vicious European war since the Nazis were defeated in 1945.
During the match, future AC Milan and Croatia captain Zvonimir Boban launched a kung-fu kick at a policeman who was attacking a Zagreb fan. Riots broke out between Zagreb's "Bad Blue Boys" ultra group, and Red Star's "Delije" -- led by the brutal war-lord Arkan.
Arkan's Tiger's, the paramilitary group he ruled during the war, recruited heavily from the Delije. Arkan himself was indicted by the United Nations for war crimes, but was assassinated in 2000 before he stood trial. Later, Boban explained what was going through his head.
"Here I was, a public face prepared to risk his life, career and everything that fame could have brought, all because of one ideal cause: the Croatian cause."
For the rest of the soon-to-be-non-existent country, it was a symbolic moment. "It was the most important match in Yugoslav history," explains Dr. Neven Andjelic, author of "Bosnia-Herzegovina: The End of a Legacy."
"It has political implications and is a clear sign of the forthcoming violence and war that this unfinished match provided to the population."
The war went on to rage for five years, with the International Center for Transnational Justice estimating that 140,000 people were killed. Its effects are still evident today, not least outside the Maksimir Stadium, where a statue depicting a group of soldiers stands. On it is the inscription: "To the fans of the club, who started the war with Serbia at this ground on May 13, 1990."

the hit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnrLuAzUPMs

the story
after Boban tried to help an injured fan (injured by police) he was pushed aside

the defience

the officers were pro-Yugoslav (90% of military and police were Serbs in Yugoslavia) so the police joined forces with Delije in the Bad Blue Boys vs. Delije conflict
altough Boban was a standard player in the Yugoslavia football squad
Boban couldn't take it and he hit the officer, later he said
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Later, Boban explained what was going through his head.
"Here I was, a public face prepared to risk his life, career and everything that fame could have brought, all because of one ideal cause: the Croatian cause."

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Sorry but I think the guy was a compleat idiot for thinking that setting himself on fire would change a thing.

He would have been much better off CONTRIBUTING instead of going up in flames like a Fourth of July sparkler!

He was very foolish, and (like I said) it is good he did not kill/harm other people.
"...thinking that setting himself on fire would change a thing."
Apparently, his stunt did change things by motivating others to take action, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have found a better way.
RIP, and let's hope he doesn't inspire more suicide flamers.

No shit!

We be on the same page and all is good!
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A Great Time to Start Something!
Sorry but I think the guy was a compleat idiot for thinking that setting himself on fire would change a thing.

He would have been much better off CONTRIBUTING instead of going up in flames like a Fourth of July sparkler!

He was very foolish, and (like I said) it is good he did not kill/harm other people.
"...thinking that setting himself on fire would change a thing."
Apparently, his deadly stunt did change things by motivating others to take action, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have found a better way.
RIP, and let's hope he doesn't inspire more suicide flamers.
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That is Mohamed Bouazizi of Tunisia, the street vendor who set himself on fire. The incident triggered the Arab Spring. Feels bad for him... he was just 26 years old when he died.

I don't watch the news every day and had not heard about Mohamed Bouazizi: "Defiant" is one way to describe what he did, at least it looks like no one else was hurt. If anyone want to know more, here is a brief part of a documentary:
Mohammed Bouazizi. A tunisian martyr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHw_auqod6Y

Edit: He had been working to support his family since he was only 10 years old, and here at bitcointalk.org we have "spoiled" people who freak out when the BTC price goes down. We should pause to remember how lucky we are.


Sorry but I think the guy was a compleat idiot for thinking that setting himself on fire would change a thing.

He would have been much better off CONTRIBUTING instead of going up in flames like a Fourth of July sparkler!
legendary
Activity: 2114
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A Great Time to Start Something!


That is Mohamed Bouazizi of Tunisia, the street vendor who set himself on fire. The incident triggered the Arab Spring. Feels bad for him... he was just 26 years old when he died.

I don't watch the news every day and had not heard about Mohamed Bouazizi: "Defiant" is one way to describe what he did, at least it looks like no one else was hurt. If anyone want to know more, here is a brief part of a documentary:
Mohammed Bouazizi. A tunisian martyr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHw_auqod6Y

Edit: He had been working to support his family since he was only 10 years old, and here at bitcointalk.org we have "spoiled" people who freak out when the BTC price goes down. We should pause to remember how lucky we are.
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Chelsea Manning

I'm immature but I always thought of this about her sex change.

Bradley Manning: What you're doing isn't right, I just leaked all your dirty little secrets!
Gov: We'll slap you so hard you'll change your name.
Bradley Manning: I'll take it because I have balls you spineless bureaucrats!
Chelsea Elizabeth Manning: ...

P.S.: I'm all for people identifying with whatever gender they do. Her contribution to our society is of the utmost importance shedding light where there previously was none sparking possible change in our corrupt government. Few people in her position are brave and selfless enough to do likewise.
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Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
But since he was writing on the time of the facts, when many Romans that were there were alive, he couldn't lie much.

If you stop and think about that, it is obviously wrong.
Both sides in a war lie to make their own part look better.
Look at what is happening in the Ukraine now. The Ukranian version and the Russian version can't both be right, can they? So at least one side is lying, and that is with all the modern communication methods we have available now.
Then, Josephus could have said anything he wanted to his own people, chances are the Romans would never have heard about it, and if they had contradicted him, he would have just said that they were lying.

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I was expecting some new facts, but your links basically give speculation. And none of them negates the mass suicide. We basically don't know what happened.

Yes, the story was changed for political reasons. Some crazy assassins, mostly of fellow Jews, were converted on heroes. But they also resisted the Romans, we don't know how much, and many refused to be taken alive.

It's well known that the archaeologists only found 28 skeletons. But since it's clear that 28 persons, including women and children, couldn't resist the Romans, many bodies are missing.

If only 28 bodies were found, a reasonably conclusion is that either there weren't any more than that to start with, or that there were, but most of them got away.
You are starting from an assumption that there were a thousand people resisting in the first place. That isn't a known fact.

Josephus, was a Jew, but defected for the Romans after being captured.
He wrote his book in Italy, not in Palestine, and in Latin for the Romans to read.
 
The truth is the first casualty in war, but there are limits about how much someone can invent.

The massive ramp he writes about is still there. Would the Romans built that to conquer a place defended by 28 individuals, some of them women and children...

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That is Mohamed Bouazizi of Tunisia, the street vendor who set himself on fire. The incident triggered the Arab Spring. Feels bad for him... he was just 26 years old when he died.
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
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tank man blocking tanks after china declared martial law and killed civilians.


burning monk burned himself to death to protest persecution of buddhist monks, he did not move or make a sound.

The worse is part is that there are other people like me and you just watching when they couldve stopped this shit, god............we suck!
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But since he was writing on the time of the facts, when many Romans that were there were alive, he couldn't lie much.

If you stop and think about that, it is obviously wrong.
Both sides in a war lie to make their own part look better.
Look at what is happening in the Ukraine now. The Ukranian version and the Russian version can't both be right, can they? So at least one side is lying, and that is with all the modern communication methods we have available now.
Then, Josephus could have said anything he wanted to his own people, chances are the Romans would never have heard about it, and if they had contradicted him, he would have just said that they were lying.

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I was expecting some new facts, but your links basically give speculation. And none of them negates the mass suicide. We basically don't know what happened.

Yes, the story was changed for political reasons. Some crazy assassins, mostly of fellow Jews, were converted on heroes. But they also resisted the Romans, we don't know how much, and many refused to be taken alive.

It's well known that the archaeologists only found 28 skeletons. But since it's clear that 28 persons, including women and children, couldn't resist the Romans, many bodies are missing.

If only 28 bodies were found, a reasonably conclusion is that either there weren't any more than that to start with, or that there were, but most of them got away.
You are starting from an assumption that there were a thousand people resisting in the first place. That isn't a known fact.

Now don't try to confuse things by brining in FACTS!

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But since he was writing on the time of the facts, when many Romans that were there were alive, he couldn't lie much.

If you stop and think about that, it is obviously wrong.
Both sides in a war lie to make their own part look better.
Look at what is happening in the Ukraine now. The Ukranian version and the Russian version can't both be right, can they? So at least one side is lying, and that is with all the modern communication methods we have available now.
Then, Josephus could have said anything he wanted to his own people, chances are the Romans would never have heard about it, and if they had contradicted him, he would have just said that they were lying.

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I was expecting some new facts, but your links basically give speculation. And none of them negates the mass suicide. We basically don't know what happened.

Yes, the story was changed for political reasons. Some crazy assassins, mostly of fellow Jews, were converted on heroes. But they also resisted the Romans, we don't know how much, and many refused to be taken alive.

It's well known that the archaeologists only found 28 skeletons. But since it's clear that 28 persons, including women and children, couldn't resist the Romans, many bodies are missing.

If only 28 bodies were found, a reasonably conclusion is that either there weren't any more than that to start with, or that there were, but most of them got away.
You are starting from an assumption that there were a thousand people resisting in the first place. That isn't a known fact.
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The Salt march and getting beating by soldiers with Ghandi that was also defiant in my book.  There is movie on it by the way.

There is a lot of criticism about Ghandi in India. No one should forget the fact that his so called non-cooperation and non-violence campaign only succeed due to the parallel violent uprising led by people such as Subhash Chandra Bose.
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The Salt march and getting beating by soldiers with Ghandi that was also defiant in my book.  There is movie on it by the way.
legendary
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Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
Thanks for the links.
But I told you, I done my work reading on Masada, including the doubts on Josephus.
I was expecting some new facts, but your links basically give speculation. And none of them negates the mass suicide. We basically don't know what happened.

Yes, the story was changed for political reasons. Some crazy assassins, mostly of fellow Jews, were converted on heroes. But they also resisted the Romans, we don't know how much, and many refused to be taken alive.

It's well known that the archaeologists only found 28 skeletons. But since it's clear that 28 persons, including women and children, couldn't resist the Romans, many bodies are missing. The remains don't refute Josephus, even if some parts of his story, including the speeches, are controversial. But since he was writing on the time of the facts, when many Romans that were there were alive, he couldn't lie much.
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That is exciting but horrific. Will mankind ever learn how to avoid brutal wars?

Well.. the Persians invaded the Greeks and the Greeks fought back to expel the invaders. How can we blame the Greeks for defending their homeland? As long as there are loonies who want to invade the weaker nations, we will witness similar wars.

As long as we have nations ....
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Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
I did. And I quoted my source. The burden of proof is in your side.
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The Jews have a history of resistance against the Romans with pretty defiant situations.

Think about Masada (73 CE). Josephus wrote a vivid description, saying that, after a stubborn resistance, the defenders, about 1000, decided to kill them selves in order to avoid being captured alive.
Archaeological findings didn't confirm this numbers, but found structures used by the Romans to breach the walls.


Much of the whole suicide theory has been debunked.

Josephus was part, and therefore was a direct witness, of a suicidal pact after the fall of Jotapata (Yodfat) (67 CE), where several defenders killed each other. Josephus was the last one, breached the pact, and surrender to the Romans, as he confessed on his book The Wars of the Jews. So, these kind of pacts were common. Maybe the numbers envolved were false, but the all history?

Most of it.

Do your homework.
legendary
Activity: 1455
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Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
The Jews have a history of resistance against the Romans with pretty defiant situations.

Think about Masada (73 CE). Josephus wrote a vivid description, saying that, after a stubborn resistance, the defenders, about 1000, decided to kill them selves in order to avoid being captured alive.
Archaeological findings didn't confirm this numbers, but found structures used by the Romans to breach the walls.


Much of the whole suicide theory has been debunked.

Josephus was part, and therefore was a direct witness, of a suicidal pact after the fall of Jotapata (Yodfat) (67 CE), where several defenders killed each other. Josephus was the last one, breached the pact, and surrender to the Romans, as he confessed on his book The Wars of the Jews. So, these kind of pacts were common. Maybe the numbers involved were false, but the all history?
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