10 Amazing Acts Of Defiance Throughout History - page 2.

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Quote from: LostDutchman on May 28, 2014, 03:16:42 PM

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Quote from: Trading on May 28, 2014, 01:17:56 PM

Things didn't end there. Xerxes and the Persian army managed to burn Athens and only after the naval battle of Salamis were defeated. Well, actually, after that, Athens was again conquered by the Persians under Mardonius. Only with the battle of Plataea (479 BC) they were expelled from Greece.

The Battle of Plataea is considered as the final major battle during the Persian invasion of Greece. It forms a part of the Persian invasion. So we can say that the Greeks actually defeated the Persians and repelled the invasion. Battle of Plataea was very devastating for the Persians... they lost more than 250,000 men.

That is exciting but horrific. Will mankind ever learn how to avoid brutal wars?

I doubt it.

Humankind is an agressive, territorial and highly combative species.

I can see why you'd say that, however this has proven not to be so. Have a look at the Trap by Adam Curtis, it will very well explain how disturbed notions amplified Hobbes's philosophy in order to create that missconception.

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Quote from: Trading on May 28, 2014, 09:06:20 PM

The Jews have a history of resistance against the Romans with pretty defiant situations.

Think about Masada (73 CE). Josephus wrote a vivid description, saying that, after a stubborn resistance, the defenders, about 1000, decided to kill them selves in order to avoid being captured alive.
Archaeological findings didn't confirm this numbers, but found structures used by the Romans to breach the walls.

Much of the whole suicide theory has been debunked.

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The Jews have a history of resistance against the Romans with pretty defiant situations.

Think about Masada (73 CE). Josephus wrote a vivid description, saying that, after a stubborn resistance, the defenders, about 1000, decided to kill them selves in order to avoid being captured alive.
Archaeological findings didn't confirm this numbers, but found structures used by the Romans to breach the walls.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 25, 2014, 12:43:39 AM

Here is another. Meriam Yahya Ibrahim Ishag sentenced to death by stoning, for refusing to convert to Islam. Her husband is an American citizen, but there has been no help from the United States authorities so far.

I don't know all the circumstances about this, but in Shariaa (7th century Islamic law) Stoning is the capital punishment for cheating under marriage and it goes for both the man and woman that were found guilty ( I think to validate this there is need for 4 witness minimum that saw them during the sexual act if the couple (penetration)) also If I remember correctly from what I read even in the Shariaa forcing people to Islam is not allowed. So to resume if these the woman is found guilty and being judged for the supposed crime you are mentioning these guys are criminals even according to their laws and she needs to be released immediately, but I sadly the amount of lies we get to see from our western media makes warry even if sometimes they are telling the truth, I really can't help but feel that something wasn't mentioned here

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Quote from: RodeoX on May 14, 2014, 11:28:32 AM

As a side note about "tank man". That image is almost completely unknown in China. That is how clamped down the government is there.

Think about it as 'changing history'. Forty-five years from now, It'll be completely unknown. And it's basically that, right now, with China's censorship. They're not exactly clamped down, they're 'controlling' their people.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 28, 2014, 03:20:12 PM

Quote from: Bit_Happy on May 28, 2014, 03:07:56 PM

That is exciting but horrific. Will mankind ever learn how to avoid brutal wars?

Well.. the Persians invaded the Greeks and the Greeks fought back to expel the invaders. How can we blame the Greeks for defending their homeland? As long as there are loonies who want to invade the weaker nations, we will witness similar wars.

History is amazing but also very dark since it often tells us what to expect in the future.

Quote from: LostDutchman on May 28, 2014, 03:16:42 PM

Quote from: Bit_Happy on May 28, 2014, 03:07:56 PM

That is exciting but horrific. Will mankind ever learn how to avoid brutal wars?

I doubt it.

Humankind is an agressive, territorial and highly combative species.

Well, if enough people learn to change & teach their children, then there might be some hope.
We need HOPE and CHANGE.....Oops.......Those once useful words are now tainted.
Bitcoin: = Change you can actually believe in.

Hey, maybe someday BTC will be viewed as a "great act of defiance"....?
On the brink of economic collapse, we have taken a stand against the evil paper money system.

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The problem is that the Greeks didn't stop there and, commanded by the Macedonians (I'm not going to enter the fight on the issue of the autonomy of ancient Macedonia from Greece), did to the Persian what they did to them: in 334, invaded them, burnt their capital and conquered their Empire.

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Quote from: Bit_Happy on May 28, 2014, 03:07:56 PM

That is exciting but horrific. Will mankind ever learn how to avoid brutal wars?

Well.. the Persians invaded the Greeks and the Greeks fought back to expel the invaders. How can we blame the Greeks for defending their homeland? As long as there are loonies who want to invade the weaker nations, we will witness similar wars.

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Quote from: Bit_Happy on May 28, 2014, 03:07:56 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 28, 2014, 03:03:00 PM

Quote from: Trading on May 28, 2014, 01:17:56 PM

Things didn't end there. Xerxes and the Persian army managed to burn Athens and only after the naval battle of Salamis were defeated. Well, actually, after that, Athens was again conquered by the Persians under Mardonius. Only with the battle of Plataea (479 BC) they were expelled from Greece.

The Battle of Plataea is considered as the final major battle during the Persian invasion of Greece. It forms a part of the Persian invasion. So we can say that the Greeks actually defeated the Persians and repelled the invasion. Battle of Plataea was very devastating for the Persians... they lost more than 250,000 men.

That is exciting but horrific. Will mankind ever learn how to avoid brutal wars?

I doubt it.

Humankind is an agressive, territorial and highly combative species.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 28, 2014, 03:03:00 PM

Quote from: Trading on May 28, 2014, 01:17:56 PM

Things didn't end there. Xerxes and the Persian army managed to burn Athens and only after the naval battle of Salamis were defeated. Well, actually, after that, Athens was again conquered by the Persians under Mardonius. Only with the battle of Plataea (479 BC) they were expelled from Greece.

The Battle of Plataea is considered as the final major battle during the Persian invasion of Greece. It forms a part of the Persian invasion. So we can say that the Greeks actually defeated the Persians and repelled the invasion. Battle of Plataea was very devastating for the Persians... they lost more than 250,000 men.

That is exciting but horrific. Will mankind ever learn how to avoid brutal wars?

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Quote from: Trading on May 28, 2014, 01:17:56 PM

Things didn't end there. Xerxes and the Persian army managed to burn Athens and only after the naval battle of Salamis were defeated. Well, actually, after that, Athens was again conquered by the Persians under Mardonius. Only with the battle of Plataea (479 BC) they were expelled from Greece.

The Battle of Plataea is considered as the final major battle during the Persian invasion of Greece. It forms a part of the Persian invasion. So we can say that the Greeks actually defeated the Persians and repelled the invasion. Battle of Plataea was very devastating for the Persians... they lost more than 250,000 men.

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The Greeks were only about 7000, maybe 7700, from several cities, so the act of defiance was even greater. But they didn't win, many of them were massacred after 3 days of heroic struggle, fighting to the last men (not only the 300 Spartans).

Things didn't end there. Xerxes and the Persian army managed to burn Athens and only after the naval battle of Salamis were defeated. Well, actually, after that, Athens was again conquered by the Persians under Mardonius. Only with the battle of Plataea (479 BC) they were expelled from Greece.

Yes, I like military and political history.

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The Greek States VS the Persian Empire in thermopylae

20,000 men against 300,000.... And they won.

The Greeks lost 4k men the Persians lost 20k.

2nd failed invasion in a row by Persia.

What makes this an act of defiance is that Leonidas started marching with only 300 hoplites and then others joined him to form the army of 14-20k that defeated the Persians.

If no one had joined him he would have picked a battle nearly 1 vs 1000

That would only make sense if he had invented the AK-47 2200 years in advance and each solider had 34 magazines of ammo and were really, really, really good shots.

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Quote from: Bit_Happy on May 28, 2014, 12:13:10 AM

People urgently needing to leave Egypt or Chad would have a motivation to try Sudan.
Is it a place you would like?
Variety is the spice of life, but too much spice can cause digestive issues.

Makes sense. But in this case Mariam Yahia Ibrahim Ishag was a Sudanese citizen, although she is of partial-Ethiopian origin. Her mother was also a Sudanese citizen, a descendant of immigrants from Ethiopia.

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Quote from: Bit_Happy on May 28, 2014, 12:13:10 AM

Quote from: LostDutchman on May 27, 2014, 10:41:13 PM

Quote from: Bit_Happy on May 25, 2014, 02:08:42 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 25, 2014, 12:43:39 AM

Here is another. Meriam Yahya Ibrahim Ishag sentenced to death by stoning, for refusing to convert to Islam. Her husband is an American citizen, but there has been no help from the United States authorities so far.

....

I was curious what country:
"A Sudanese court has sentenced Mariam Yahya Ibrahim Ishag, 27..."
Sudan? Wow, I will be certain to stay away from there.

I mean, like, who would want to go there anyway?

People urgently needing to leave Egypt or Chad would have a motivation to try Sudan.
Is it a place you would like?
Variety is the spice of life, but too much spice can cause digestive issues.

No shit!

Thank you for your insightful post!

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Quote from: LostDutchman on May 27, 2014, 10:41:13 PM

Quote from: Bit_Happy on May 25, 2014, 02:08:42 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 25, 2014, 12:43:39 AM

Here is another. Meriam Yahya Ibrahim Ishag sentenced to death by stoning, for refusing to convert to Islam. Her husband is an American citizen, but there has been no help from the United States authorities so far.

....

I was curious what country:
"A Sudanese court has sentenced Mariam Yahya Ibrahim Ishag, 27..."
Sudan? Wow, I will be certain to stay away from there.

I mean, like, who would want to go there anyway?

People urgently needing to leave Egypt or Chad would have a motivation to try Sudan.
Is it a place you would like?
Variety is the spice of life, but too much spice can cause digestive issues.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 25, 2014, 07:45:53 AM

Quote from: LostDutchman on May 25, 2014, 05:10:58 AM

OK, I agree that this is a bad situation but just what is it that you think the USA should do?

For the start, Obama could open up his mouth and condemn the death sentence imposed on the unfortunate woman. We can think about sanctions and embargoes later, if the Sudanese ignore the warnings.

I kinda agree on this, Im sure there is so much Obama can handle the problem is the whole government not one person is fighting for this mans right, nor any other country.

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Quote from: Bit_Happy on May 25, 2014, 02:08:42 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 25, 2014, 12:43:39 AM

Here is another. Meriam Yahya Ibrahim Ishag sentenced to death by stoning, for refusing to convert to Islam. Her husband is an American citizen, but there has been no help from the United States authorities so far.

I was curious what country:
"A Sudanese court has sentenced Mariam Yahya Ibrahim Ishag, 27..."
Sudan? Wow, I will be certain to stay away from there.

I mean, like, who would want to go there anyway?

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