I appreciate the feedback franky, let me comment on some of your points.
securities and ETF are not going to affect real bitcoin trades. they are just hoarders of coins that then separatly OFFMARKET sell SHARES of their company. thus thee dollars and valuation of the company increase without those funds actually even touching bitcoin exchanges.
This is not true at all. Most funds will need to actually buy BTC either from the exchanges or OTC to match whatever is happening at fund level. Our company is actually launching a fund of our own soon. Regardless of if the purchasing is happening at exchanges or OTC it will affect the price. Futures securities are a bit different though, and may not have a direct effect.
This is a really good discussion you guys have got going here. I agree that these funds are going to affect BTC's price directly because as Henry said, they have to actually invest in the asset, they can't just track it. Otherwise it wouldn't be an investment, it would be a gamble.
Also, these futures contracts will affect the price as well. I'm not exactly sure about how the contracts are written, but I wouldn't imagine that liquidity providers are pricing it on their own terms. Even if there was no direct relation between the contract price and the exchanges, it would still have an indirect effect through perception management as people would be influenced by the numbers they see in the news.
