The video was just funny. An old woman making jokes no matter how bad is funny.
Anyway I just read a post about blah blah blah libertarians are stupid they want organized crime.
Um no they actually dont. They actually are for the opposite. They arent anarchists because they approve of a government to protect ALL citizens from any coercion or force inside or outside of the country (this includes protecting the individuals from the government as well).
No organized crime and no "government"
Topic: 10 top reasons why organised crime would be better than the State (Read 3593 times)
July 08, 2012, 12:22:55 PM
"Oh, it actually works fine, were not for foreign interference." I got the same argument from discussion with orthodox Communists and other -ists as a last resort explanation why their utopia turned to nightmare. I find this argument void. External influence is unavoidable fact and no amount of dreaming will get rid of it. If the society is not cohesive enough to resist it, then sorry, it won't.
You're making the assumption that society can't be "cohesive" without a government extorting people. Seems to me that Afghanistan has fought off invasions for centuries against outsiders without having a central government.
Just that IF society (anarchist or otherwise) cannot handle outside influence, then its BS.
Governments can be very different, not all are violent oppressors and on small scale most types of ideology actually perform better. Perhaps the solution is many small "countries" of 1000 people and a military alliance - whatever the solution, its likely not Russia/Somalia.
If you have a real solution besides anarchy, please do tell.
July 08, 2012, 11:44:57 AM
"Oh, it actually works fine, were not for foreign interference." I got the same argument from discussion with orthodox Communists and other -ists as a last resort explanation why their utopia turned to nightmare. I find this argument void. External influence is unavoidable fact and no amount of dreaming will get rid of it. If the society is not cohesive enough to resist it, then sorry, it won't.
You're making the assumption that society can't be "cohesive" without a government extorting people. Seems to me that Afghanistan has fought off invasions for centuries against outsiders without having a central government.
July 08, 2012, 10:48:09 AM
"Oh, it actually works fine, were not for foreign interference." I got the same argument from discussion with orthodox Communists and other -ists as a last resort explanation why their utopia turned to nightmare. I find this argument void. External influence is unavoidable fact and no amount of dreaming will get rid of it. If the society is not cohesive enough to resist it, then sorry, it won't.
Fair point. It worked fine compared to what they had before.
July 08, 2012, 10:30:27 AM
"Oh, it actually works fine, were not for foreign interference." I got the same argument from discussion with orthodox Communists and other -ists as a last resort explanation why their utopia turned to nightmare. I find this argument void. External influence is unavoidable fact and no amount of dreaming will get rid of it. If the society is not cohesive enough to resist it, then sorry, it won't.
July 08, 2012, 09:33:32 AM
So, it seems to me that ideal libertarian country is Russia because their government mostly emerged from victorious Mafia/KGB faction? Or Somalia?
Looking forward for a romantic libertard to move there and blog the joys of living in absolute freedom there...
Looking forward for a romantic libertard to move there and blog the joys of living in absolute freedom there...
ummm...Somalia is recovering from a UN-imposed warlord called Siad Barre. Things have IMPROVED since they have became anarchist.
Not true. Somalia is being used as a proxy battlefield by its neighbours. When it was just Somali's in anarchy, it worked fine. It still works fine in "Puntland" which is basically a tribal anarchy. But the rest of the country is being ruined by foreign interference.
This is true as well, but Google Siad Barre - he fucked up the country real good with his brand of "scientific Socialism"
Could it be we agree on something?
July 08, 2012, 09:29:22 AM
So, it seems to me that ideal libertarian country is Russia because their government mostly emerged from victorious Mafia/KGB faction? Or Somalia?
Looking forward for a romantic libertard to move there and blog the joys of living in absolute freedom there...
Looking forward for a romantic libertard to move there and blog the joys of living in absolute freedom there...
ummm...Somalia is recovering from a UN-imposed warlord called Siad Barre. Things have IMPROVED since they have became anarchist.
Not true. Somalia is being used as a proxy battlefield by its neighbours. When it was just Somali's in anarchy, it worked fine. It still works fine in "Puntland" which is basically a tribal anarchy. But the rest of the country is being ruined by foreign interference.
This is true as well, but Google Siad Barre - he fucked up the country real good with his brand of "scientific Socialism"
July 08, 2012, 09:25:45 AM
So, it seems to me that ideal libertarian country is Russia because their government mostly emerged from victorious Mafia/KGB faction? Or Somalia?
Looking forward for a romantic libertard to move there and blog the joys of living in absolute freedom there...
Looking forward for a romantic libertard to move there and blog the joys of living in absolute freedom there...
ummm...Somalia is recovering from a UN-imposed warlord called Siad Barre. Things have IMPROVED since they have became anarchist.
Not true. Somalia is being used as a proxy battlefield by its neighbours. When it was just Somali's in anarchy, it worked fine. It still works fine in "Puntland" which is basically a tribal anarchy. But the rest of the country is being ruined by foreign interference.
July 08, 2012, 09:19:00 AM
So, it seems to me that ideal libertarian country is Russia because their government mostly emerged from victorious Mafia/KGB faction? Or Somalia?
Looking forward for a romantic libertard to move there and blog the joys of living in absolute freedom there...
Looking forward for a romantic libertard to move there and blog the joys of living in absolute freedom there...
ummm...Somalia is recovering from a UN-imposed warlord called Siad Barre. Things have IMPROVED since they have became anarchist.
July 08, 2012, 09:13:17 AM
So, it seems to me that ideal libertarian country is Russia because their government mostly emerged from victorious Mafia/KGB faction? Or Somalia?
Looking forward for a romantic libertard to move there and blog the joys of living in absolute freedom there...
Looking forward for a romantic libertard to move there and blog the joys of living in absolute freedom there...
July 07, 2012, 11:18:29 PM
Cbeast, I apologize - allow me to express my sorrow by sending you 1 bitcoin.
Though your generosity is touching, such a heartfelt expression is apology enough. Bitcoin accepted at the donation address on my weblink are intended for charitable purpose, of course. July 07, 2012, 10:06:28 PM
Cbeast, I apologize - allow me to express my sorrow by sending you 1 bitcoin.
Though your generosity is touching, such a heartfelt expression is apology enough. Bitcoin accepted at the donation address on my weblink are intended for charitable purpose, of course. July 07, 2012, 08:07:44 PM
Cbeast, I apologize - allow me to express my sorrow by sending you 1 bitcoin.
Though your generosity is touching, such a heartfelt expression is apology enough. Bitcoin accepted at the donation address on my weblink are intended for charitable purpose, of course. July 07, 2012, 07:51:56 PM
Cbeast, I apologize - allow me to express my sorrow by sending you 1 bitcoin.
July 07, 2012, 07:40:49 PM
Scanning your history of posts leads me...
Thank you for taking the time out of your day to scan my posts #1 fan.
July 07, 2012, 07:23:10 PM
Scanning your history of posts leads me...
Thank you for taking the time out of your day to scan my posts #1 fan.
July 07, 2012, 06:57:46 PM
Convention of geniuses.
Scanning your history of posts leads me to believe you spent a great deal of time on this one. While it has roughly the same number of sentences as most of your posts (1), it includes two polysyllabic words. Thank you for your input! July 07, 2012, 06:34:49 PM
Convention of geniuses.
July 07, 2012, 06:17:32 PM
The Mafia isn't meaningfully different from the Roman Empire in character, motivation or methods (Italians conducting violence for profit)... and the Roman Empire provided pretty good governance (Northern Europe learned civilization from them).
The reason that 'organized crime' is problematic today is because they have to compete with much stronger national governments... making it a high-risk low-reward game, that attracts the desperate and stupid - the smart people just go into 'legitimate' business and professions. Notice the children of successful mobsters tend to go legit. Also the Mafia's fragile hold on power makes it necessary for them to use brutal and desperate methods - the Mafia can't imprison a person for example, or garnish wages, so their retributions take 'other' forms.
'Rule by the Mafia' is simply absolute monarchy/autocracy and would operate and evolve identically. And monarchy actually worked quite well. Western civilization rose on monarchy, and is in decline under democracy.
That is a very romantic notion of thugs. Monarchy OTOH is a function of feudalistic and perpetual war. I don't see much technological development coming out of feudal nations today or historically. And don't play the NAZI card, their technology was stolen and very limited in scope.The reason that 'organized crime' is problematic today is because they have to compete with much stronger national governments... making it a high-risk low-reward game, that attracts the desperate and stupid - the smart people just go into 'legitimate' business and professions. Notice the children of successful mobsters tend to go legit. Also the Mafia's fragile hold on power makes it necessary for them to use brutal and desperate methods - the Mafia can't imprison a person for example, or garnish wages, so their retributions take 'other' forms.
'Rule by the Mafia' is simply absolute monarchy/autocracy and would operate and evolve identically. And monarchy actually worked quite well. Western civilization rose on monarchy, and is in decline under democracy.
I find this repulsive. Having a family member murdered by a rogue cartel member because he refused to do their bidding makes me realize more and more that most libertarians are sociopaths.
[edit] Present company excepted, of course!
[edit] Present company excepted, of course!
I'm sorry to hear.
Do you think you would feel opposite though if your family member was killed by an American soldier?
July 06, 2012, 12:43:03 PM
I find this repulsive. Having a family member murdered by a rogue cartel member because he refused to do their bidding makes me realize more and more that most libertarians are sociopaths.
[edit] Present company excepted, of course!
[edit] Present company excepted, of course!
I'm sorry to hear.
Do you think you would feel opposite though if your family member was killed by an American soldier?
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