Topic: [1050 TH] BitMinter.com [1% PPLNS,Pays TxFees +MergedMining,Stratum,GBT,vardiff] - page 47. (Read 837101 times)

pool is down!!

If you don't mind the slightly dirty feeling of mining with a BFL associated pool, Eclipsemc.com Bitcoin Mining Pool also allows for 443 mining. That's the only other pool I'm aware of.

Here to, miner is beeping and see the pool at 0hash.

anoying sound that beeping.

Miners are ringing bells

Too bad I dont have backup pool. This one was the one I was able to connect on 443. So I guess we wait.

Yup, it looks like it's down

I can't connect to my backup either 

miners are not mining...
bitminter.com not responding!

pool down for me too...I'm on my backup pool atm

No, I just checked also and showing 0's for everything....

I'm not at home, but I assume my miners are still running.

Is the pool down? I cannot connect and the popup shows 0TH/s total and no image for my stuff. Is it just me?

I am getting concerned about multipool being on this pool in this environment.

As a pass through of other miners, multipool could be 90% block withholders and we would never know.  And they make an ideal cut out.  Who am I to sue if it turn out they are collecting rewards that are rightfully mine?

I am all for bitminter growing, but I don't like the sudden appearance of 20% of the pool from a group that doesn't deliver a block solution for weeks.

Let's have a serious discussion about the merits of allowing pass through accounts.  What is the up side of having them on bitminter?  And how long do we allow them to collect 17% of all rewards while their history has them contributing a statistically unlikely amount themselves?

Multipool
    Why don't you go mine  Bitcoins at  some other pool. Then report back on how many blocks you find. KOI seems to find blocks with the same Thps. Just seems like something is wrong.
 

They've not just had a bad run of BTC blocks but NMC also?  Have the Eligius attackers changed their tactics and moved here?

The issued has occurred twice according  BTCGuild and  Eligus pools.

At first I can understand the attacker's motives  would be he did not understand why he could not get blocks via solo mining  so he leached onto big pools to get coins. Not wanting to take a 2 or 3 million usd loss.

  He got caught twice by both pools.

 Now I am not making this up  or  at least those 2 pools have accused a big  miner of the problem.

So a lets be nice and say his gear/software is finally fixed and he just mines for coins and no longer mines with shit gear/bad software.

No worries for all of us  if that is the case. 

  But just remember it was done and can be done again.

  I am fine with the fact that  some big miner has a big cannon he can point at my pool and blast my pool with bad luck.  Do you know why I am fine with that.

 I don't run or own a pool.

  So I can skip around I can be in six pools and I can protect myself in a lot of ways.

 Since the bad luck cannon can't hit every pool at every time.

 I only need put 20% of my hash in 5 pools  and at worse  I get some damage in one pool.


True and real pool owners are the ones at risk since their pool can get shot at and they don't get to jump around or spread the risk of the attack. So good luck to them and I hope then can protect their interests. Find good detection methods of a clever attack like this if indeed it happens to them.

What is this Bitminter thing ?







Sorry, couldn't resist lol

Last week we had a great run.......this week so far....not so much.....come on luck!

Thanks! I'm sure many more stupid questions will follow, but so far I'm having a blast.

Block withholding attacks have been discussed quite extensively.  

http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/1338/how-is-block-solution-withholding-a-threat-to-mining-pools

I'm still failing to see the benefit to the attacker?  Other than them making money on bad equipment that wouldn't otherwise make any money.  Even if the solved blocks aren't being counted, they are still paying for the power.

Also, I think everyone is jumping off of Ghash because they almost hit the fabled 51% mark and no one wants to have hashing power that consolidated.  See article below.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2364000/bitcoin-price-dips-as-backers-fear-mining-monopoly.html

You are close.  

 First  if I decide to solo mine it is costly as I would need to run a server for little old me.  

  Second   The idea that medium pools can be attacked and their luck trashed seems to be a truth. Not paranoia .

Third   I don't like the idea that  this can be done to pools .

Fourth  So far no one has said they can easily  block this.   Switching ip's and accounts seem to make the attacker very tough to stop.

Fifth    so far  the solo mining option seems to be the only way to fully prevent this type of attack.  

Sixth  solo to merged auto switching  may help

Seventh  I would like other ideas on how to stop a 'bad luck attack' done by defective software.

Eighth the  problem  I have is  how do you block a bad gear hasher  if he switches around accounts.  You won't detect he is bad until he hurt you.  a  set of 4x 25th miners   is 100 th     run it at bitminter for  3 days and switch out to the next set of 5 x 20 th  miners so on and so forth.  Do this 30 days in a row and bit minter has  about a 10% luck drop.

Miners then jump to a bigger pool.  bit minter is damaged.   


 This is a real issue for small and medium pools only really big pools can tough this out since the attack is more expensive to do against a really big pool.  If you want to attack btcguild you need to use  at least 1200th  since btcguild has 12000th   more costly to attack them then bitminter.  Attacking cex.io would need more then 4000th    just too costly.

I don't see where my theory is wrong.  I rather be wrong.

 p2p does not stop the  problem  in fact they are more attackable then bit minter since they are under 1000th.  it costs less to attack them.

So asking everyone to solo mine and run their own server   makes mining worse due to so much extra power used.  But it is late I am tired so I am signing off for the night.

 I am looking for ideas to stop the danger that seems to exist here. Since two very big pools say this did occur to them to the tune of 400 + 200 coins.