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Quote from: UmerIdrees on May 27, 2023, 04:06:49 AM

This 100$ will not make him rich but surely since you are providing the loans and helping people, it does matter to you. I just don't know why these scammers don't have a heart ? Why they don't have emotions and why they don't know that today they scam anyone, someday others will scam them. Sad

Lending is a very risky business but hats off to Shasan for taking the initiatives and the risk to lend people who are in dire needs of funds when they cannot get it offline, I hope Shasan can keep up, those who loan should understand that they ask for loan because the lender trust them its not only the profit but the trust, I hope Shasan can continue with this business we need this if you are in an emergency and you cannot come up with the funds and you have a reputable account here in this forum the likes of Shasan is a big help.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on May 27, 2023, 03:33:45 PM

This is your mistake. As I said above, just because a member is part of a signature campaign doesn't mean he can be trusted. You should always keep this in mind! You have been here for too long and am sure you remember the case whan many high ranked/trusted members were busted for being alt accounts. Some of them were part of the highest paying sig campaign, back in the time.
Anyway, I hope some of the defaulters will have some integrity and repay what you owe them.

My observation is that no one with a single account will default such a small amount which is evidence of the defaulter. But it is not an easy way to find out who has an alt account and who has not. On the forum, we can't nothing judge which can save us. I have seen two users defaulted on the loan of Direwolf who has good rank as well as merit ranking but defaulted. So, we have nothing except to accept this type of loss until there are alternative accounts that are decreasing by being banned and defaulting on loan.

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Quote from: shasan on May 27, 2023, 03:23:30 AM

I usually accept anyone who is in the signature campaign except 1xbit. But I should be more aware before accepting a loan.

This is your mistake. As I said above, just because a member is part of a signature campaign doesn't mean he can be trusted. You should always keep this in mind! You have been here for too long and am sure you remember the case whan many high ranked/trusted members were busted for being alt accounts. Some of them were part of the highest paying sig campaign, back in the time.
Anyway, I hope some of the defaulters will have some integrity and repay what you owe them.

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Quote from: shasan on May 26, 2023, 06:46:08 AM

Supreemo was in the campaign while I accepted the loan request of Supreemo. But probably on 11th May Supreemo has been removed for a low number of posts or low-quality posts. I think Supreemo has alternative accounts and does not worry about the account also s/he thinks s/he might not be accepted on any other campaign and that's why s/he defaulted on the loan. But I do not think any wise full member should do like this.

I would call this a stupid act from Supreemo as he could have earned a lot more money than 100$ from his full member account if it was not tagged. You may call it an act of stupidness or greediness.

This 100$ will not make him rich but surely since you are providing the loans and helping people, it does matter to you. I just don't know why these scammers don't have a heart ? Why they don't have emotions and why they don't know that today they scam anyone, someday others will scam them. Sad

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Quote from: Gladitorcomeback on May 26, 2023, 07:44:59 PM

Flag supported, I don't understand his stupidity that he ruined his career for just 120$. he was accepted in Sinbad with this account and he could be accepted in other compaigns also but i think greed forced him to take a short cut. Now his both accounts tagged and he might learned lesson well. With karmamiu he could earned 120$ in two weeks.

Yeah its so stupid decision to default on a small loan while he can earn that amount by getting cuts on sig campaigns. But unfortunately he choose the wrong way and maybe he decide to quit to use this forum.

Quote from: Gladitorcomeback on May 26, 2023, 07:44:59 PM

What will happen if this user now apologize and and repay the loan , will Negative change to neutrel (asking just for learning purpose)?

If he apologize maybe the neg tag will be erased but a neutral tag should be placed so that it reminds other people that he has a history of running away of his loan. But it this case I think its impossible for him to get back and paid the amount since he is now busted.

For lenders maybe next time or think about getting a settlement to the campaign managers who handle them and automatically deduct their signature earnings weekly so that you can get payments on the loan they get.

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Quote from: Trofo on May 26, 2023, 10:35:41 AM

We feel that evidence presented here is enough to take actions.

Based on the evidence I have already taken my action.

Quote from: CryptSafe on May 26, 2023, 01:31:26 PM

I checked the Sinbad campaign sheet I can not find his name there which means that he wore the avatar and signature to trick shasan to accepting his loan request and without any delay he got it. What a cunning man he is.

S/he was in the signature campaign but s/he has been removed from the campaign at the date of the repayment. All are present on the post of the thread and also received the payment on 11th May I guess.

Quote from: _BlackStar on May 26, 2023, 03:10:04 PM

At least I've seen you create several flags on several different accounts throughout 2023, so is your business still profitable, shasan? But maybe - it's more than just business.

I am still at a loss and many people lost and stopped but I have still not stopped also not yet have any plan to stop.

Quote from: khaled0111 on May 26, 2023, 03:45:17 PM

You need to be more careful and don't trust members just because of their ranks or the campaigns their are part of.
Being removed from sindbad campaign is not an excuse not to repay the loan. Any honest member will do whatever he can to repay what he is due or at least contact you and explain the situation.

The fun is not too high base on rank. The user left the account as s/he has multiple accounts. But day by day it is becoming harder to achieve rank so scammers also going down and soon I think this type of scammer will run away.

Quote from: rby on May 26, 2023, 06:17:13 PM

Shasan, how about you only give loan to lower-ranked members who are in the long lasting campaigns. Such as the ones controlled by Hhampuz.

I usually accept anyone who is in the signature campaign except 1xbit. But I should be more aware before accepting a loan.

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Quote from: Gladitorcomeback on May 26, 2023, 07:44:59 PM

What will happen if this user now apologize and and repay the loan , will Negative change to neutrel (asking just for learning purpose)?

Yeah, why not?

As far as I can see the negative feedback he got because of defaulting loan, not because of cheating in a same campaign. If he have joined in a same campaign, then it's definitely deserve negative feedback and there's no way to forgive him.

There's no rule about how many alt accounts someone can create, so it's technically fair.

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Quote from: logfiles on May 26, 2023, 06:58:13 PM

Quote from: rby on May 26, 2023, 06:17:13 PM

Shasan, how about you only give loan to lower-ranked members who are in the long lasting campaigns. Such as the ones controlled by Hhampuz.

Sinbad looks like one of those campaigns that is long term, but the scammer got booted out due to poor posting quality. Either way, the scammer was not willing to pay the loan, as his other alt account has been in another well paying signature campaign.

Those are the kinds of people that have bad intention towards the forum just from the first day they created their account. They must have planned to cheat and it's unfortunate Shasan is at the receiving end.
Now you bursted other of his accounts that allegedly motivated him to ruin this, he should be regretting wherever he is now. Atleast, this ended well.

Quote from: Gladitorcomeback on May 26, 2023, 07:44:59 PM

Flag supported, I don't understand his stupidity that he ruined his career for just 120$. he was accepted in Sinbad with this account and he could be accepted in other compaigns also but i think greed forced him to take a short cut. Now his both accounts tagged and he might learned lesson well. With karmamiu he could earned 120$ in two weeks.

What will happen if this user now apologize and and repay the loan , will Negative change to neutrel (asking just for learning purpose)?

Quote from: rby on May 26, 2023, 06:17:13 PM

The loan was not big and if he was honest then it was not a difficult task for him repay on time but unfortunately he already planned to cheat. I think it will be much better to ask for trusted collateral for all those members who are not active for years.

Yes, he already planned to cheat and that was why his door of wisdom was shut and he couldn't think. Anyways, for such a low loan as $100, active signature campaign should be a collateral enough, but it's unfortunate we have born criminals who will always make lenders lose money.

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Quote from: Gladitorcomeback on May 26, 2023, 07:44:59 PM

Flag supported, I don't understand his stupidity that he ruined his career for just 120$. he was accepted in Sinbad with this account and he could be accepted in other compaigns also but i think greed forced him to take a short cut. Now his both accounts tagged and he might learned lesson well. With karmamiu he could earned 120$ in two weeks.

The fact that you're surprised people will sell their reputation at such a low low price means you're a kind person who doesn't judge people easily and assume the worst in someone but yes, some people like Supreemo are willing to go to the lowest or maybe we are judging too quickly, I've read and watched Gone Girl so I want to see both sides before I can be definite of who I will side but given the current evidences that this loan is a default, Supreemo needs some explaining to do.

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Flag supported, I don't understand his stupidity that he ruined his career for just 120$. he was accepted in Sinbad with this account and he could be accepted in other compaigns also but i think greed forced him to take a short cut. Now his both accounts tagged and he might learned lesson well. With karmamiu he could earned 120$ in two weeks.

What will happen if this user now apologize and and repay the loan , will Negative change to neutrel (asking just for learning purpose)?

Quote from: rby on May 26, 2023, 06:17:13 PM

Sorry to say, some of the participants of sinbad aren't sure of their slots as Royse777 opens the campaign on weekly bases. Only the green zone and some good posters are sure of their slots while others whose post quality are below the manager's expectations are replaced. It will be nice you put this into consideration for subsequent loan decisions.

The loan was not big and if he was honest then it was not a difficult task for him repay on time but unfortunately he already planned to cheat. I think it will be much better to ask for trusted collateral for all those members who are not active for years.

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Quote from: rby on May 26, 2023, 06:17:13 PM

Shasan, how about you only give loan to lower-ranked members who are in the long lasting campaigns. Such as the ones controlled by Hhampuz.

Sinbad looks like one of those campaigns that is long term, but the scammer got booted out due to poor posting quality. Either way, the scammer was not willing to pay the loan, as his other alt account has been in another well paying signature campaign.

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Quote from: shasan on May 26, 2023, 06:46:08 AM

Supreemo was in the campaign while I accepted the loan request of Supreemo. But probably on 11th May Supreemo has been removed for a low number of posts or low-quality posts. I think Supreemo has alternative accounts and does not worry about the account also s/he thinks s/he might not be accepted on any other campaign and that's why s/he defaulted on the loan. But I do not think any wise full member should do like this.

Honestly, Supreemo is very much unwise. For him to be accepted at first in sinbad signature campaign means he has quality, although his quality might not be consistent. All he needed was just a little more efforts in his post quality.

Then, not reminding him of the act of selling accounts. It would have been better he sold the account and pay you with the money from the account sales.

Quote from: shasan on May 26, 2023, 07:59:24 AM

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You are right but while there is about 40$ earned per week who cares about 100$ loan? And that's the mistake of me. I rely on the signature campaign though there is no warranty/guaranty on how long the campaign will remain active. Also, you know higher-ranked profiles can be banned so it might be a loss too. We have to take this type of loan as we have no alternative to knowing who is legit or not.

Shasan, how about you only give loan to lower-ranked members who are in the long lasting campaigns. Such as the ones controlled by Hhampuz.
Sorry to say, some of the participants of sinbad aren't sure of their slots as Royse777 opens the campaign on weekly bases. Only the green zone and some good posters are sure of their slots while others whose post quality are below the manager's expectations are replaced. It will be nice you put this into consideration for subsequent loan decisions.

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Quote from: logfiles on May 26, 2023, 07:47:58 AM

I am quite certain there are more alts. Let me first go run some errands and then get back. I will hunt down, tag and flag all the alts connected to Supreemo. From today, he will regret why he defaulted a $120 loan

This is a great catch, really he deserves it; if this person had paid the loan of $120 on time, he would have won the trust and respect of the community, but whoever steals people's money unlawfully should definitely fall into the evil of his deeds, what this scammer did is not shashan's reward by providing such a good service as a help to him and the rest of the members here, I really do not know how these scammers sleep in the peace of mind while they stole and deceived innocent people and did not fulfill their agreements with them. I believe that the scammer's loss now exceeds the amount of the loan he did not pay, and this is what comforted my heart. Flag supported

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Flag supported, plus, I left him a negative feedback.
shasan, as far as I can see, this is not the first person who took a loan from you and didn't repay you! You need to be more careful and don't trust members just because of their ranks or the campaigns their are part of.
Being removed from sindbad campaign is not an excuse not to repay the loan. Any honest member will do whatever he can to repay what he is due or at least contact you and explain the situation.

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In addition to supporting the flags, I also complete it by tagging users with negative tags for Loan defaulted.

Too much risk on your part these days and it seems to be a new pattern of some scammers to get easy money from you by selling their account reputation. At least I've seen you create several flags on several different accounts throughout 2023, so is your business still profitable, shasan? But maybe - it's more than just business.

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It really is too risky lending money without any collateral just a little assurance because of the campaign he is in. Now he is in trouble for getting caught with his other account, what a waste of time ranking just to getting rekt by wrong doings.
Kudos to @logfiles and still the community owes you @shasan for helping people lending money even tho its too risky and the chance of getting scammed is too high.

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Quote from: shasan on May 26, 2023, 06:20:13 AM

What happened:: Took a loan of 100$ and wanted to repay 110$ by 11th may 2023. On the 11th May ask extension for a week via private message. And from then there is no contact though I tried to reach him/her several times. And the user logged into the account after getting my message but no response.

I supported the flag against him.
Ruining account for $120 is very stupid and it will cost him much more.
This is not the first time you are reporting members like this, you should make a blacklist if you already dont have one.

Quote from: logfiles on May 26, 2023, 07:47:58 AM

He has so many alts around
And he is found of meriting his alts

Great investigation find.
He or they probably have more accounts coming from the same farm.

Quote from: Trofo on May 26, 2023, 10:35:41 AM

As per our rules for minimizing the spam on the forum and keeping it as clean as possible you are entitled to 100$ finders fee. Please send me your BTC address trough PM and you will get the money with next campaign payment on Sunday evening.

Very nice gesture Trofo!
Is this reward valid for all campaigns you are managing if we find more cheaters?

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I checked the Sinbad campaign sheet I can not find his name there which means that he wore the avatar and signature to trick shasan to accepting his loan request and without any delay he got it. What a cunning man he is.
I suggest shasan should take note of this aspect if any borrower is requesting a loan with a campaign avatar and signature, there should be a proper verification with the campaign manager as to know the genuinety of the identity of the borrower as regards the campaign they are involved with. This can be able to reveal if the borrower is still working with the campaign manager or not as to know if truly he or she could be able to pay back at the appropriate time as specified.

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Quote from: logfiles on May 26, 2023, 07:47:58 AM

karmamiu is also his alt account and it's currently participating in coinslotty campaign

We feel that evidence presented here is enough to take actions. User karmamiu has been removed from coinslotty campaign and sent a notice over pm.

I guess it had to happen in one of campaigns sooner or latter. I still remember that guy that held 3 positions inside ChipMixer campaign.

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Thank you for bringing this to our attention. As per our rules for minimizing the spam on the forum and keeping it as clean as possible you are entitled to 100$ finders fee. Please send me your BTC address trough PM and you will get the money with next campaign payment on Sunday evening.

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Quote from: logfiles on May 26, 2023, 07:47:58 AM

I am quite certain there are more alts. Let me first go run some errands and then get back. I will hunt down, tag and flag all the alts connected to Supreemo. From today, he will regret why he defaulted a $120 loan

Nice catch. I have already tagged all the connected accounts. Now s/he will be able to learn a good lesson.

Quote from: Learn Bitcoin on May 26, 2023, 08:40:43 AM

I won't blame him for having multiple accounts if he does not violate any forum rules, including ban evading. But if he chooses to default on the loan, it proves he is a scammer. I don't see any reason for anyone to ruin their reputation just for 100 bucks! He could have quickly earned over $200 monthly from a signature campaign. Maybe he thought we would run away with $100 because he has a few more accounts, and he can earn more than $40 a week from other campaigns using a high-rank account. So, he left his low-ranked account, hoping to make more with his high-rank account. Good catch, logfiles! If you tag them all, and he gets kicked from all the campaigns, he will pop up and apologize for his mistakes.

Hey Supreemo!
That was a wrong choice. Come out from your Cave and apologize.

Multiple accounts are allowed until there is no violation/abuse. But the user abuses the lending section by defaulting on a loan. Defaulting a loan from one account means s/he is a scammer. And all the account of that user should be marked as scammers too.

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