Topic: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool - page 283. (Read 2592023 times)

Thanks jonnybravo0311.

I had the thought of supporting merge mined coins by having p2pool use additional sharechains (auxShareChain). It would handle payments and combine the hashing power just like the main sharechain. Not a trivial task and beyond my time and skill level.

Hey Cheeseater, sent you a Pm also...

I have a public node up 3.5 hours away from you in NC 

Hey jonnybravo0311,

I sent you a PM about p2pool merged mining etc. not sure you can answer. Feel free to post my question in thread here if you think any answers will help you may have. 

thx
MMNC

You haven't missed it.  There's absolutely no support for it, and in the current state of the code, there's no way to even do it.  For example, let's say that I mine on node 1 for some time and find 3 shares.  I move onto node 2.  I find 5 more shares.  I move back to node 1 again, and I find a share that solves a merged coin block.  How does the node pay me?  What about paying other miners who had previously been on the node, but for whatever reason have since moved off?  Besides this, how do you know to which addresses to pay out the coins?

There are a lot of changes that would be required to ever be able to handle paying out merged coins to miners in any way.

 

Find nodes with at least a few hundred shares.  Ignore pool's DOA rate unless it's abnormal (like the old p2pool.org's).  Divide orphans by number of shares, get pool's orphan %.  Depending on what the p2pool is mining, it'll interrupt x amount of times per hour.  Take ping time, multiple it by 2, then multiply it by the number of interruptions.  200ms x 2 = 400ms round trip x 4 interrupts per minute = 1600ms = 1.6s out of 60 = pure latency DOA of 2.7%.  If pool X has a 0% fee, 10% orphan rate, and 20ms latency, and pool y has 0% fee, 7% orphan rate, and 220ms latency, then pool y is better for you.

In regard to merge mining (and I apologize if I've missed it in this thread)...how do you pay found merge mined blocks back to your nodes miners? I see that some people manually convert merge mined coins to BTC and then do a "send many" back to p2pool but has anyone figure out something better?

Someone forked proxy pool to accept a second coins payment address in the password field but every public site using it has since shut down. I am concerned that it may not be a viable solution. 

Never done it on windoze I'm afraid, sorry.

Just a heads up for you mergers out there, HUC & NMC have both been updated - less mem usage & a few more techy bits.......

ok guys, I want to compile p2pool for windows. I've tried a few times but always have issues with missing modules such as twisted and zope. doesn't seem to matter how I install them. anyone got a definitive guide for compiling a new p2pool build on windows with the latest versions of twisted and zope etc

For now this seems like the only viable solution, the node is offline.

If your miners are set to mine on p2pool.org and you do not wish to contribute all your hash power to our as yet unannounced project, then I suggest you point them elsewhere, when the node does come back online it will remain at a 100% fee

Feel free to mine on minefast.CoinCadence.com for a 0% fee...

Hi windpath,

If your goal is to shut down the p2pool node on p2pool.org, I think the most direct way to accomplish that would be to turn off the p2pool software. Taking 100% of the mining proceeds could be interpreted in a negative way, especially by the miners connected to the node. Sure, you could say that they should have paid closer attention to their equipment but they may not see it that way! Maybe there is a technical reason that you can't turn off the p2pool node and the 100% tax is the only way to get people off of the node?

I'm not trying to criticize you personally, I just think that this could be handled in a way that doesn't potentially lead to angry miners, lawsuits, bad publicity for p2pool, etc.

Thanks for all of your efforts to make p2pool easier to use and enhance its popularity. I know that you've worked hard to grow p2pool, and I appreciate your efforts.

I see there's been an update for p2pool......anyone tried it?

Would be nice if forrestv would make some kind of announcement - but at least he updated the header to reflect the hash rate.....

http://p2pool-nodes.info/ Search here for an US node where you have the lowest latency. If you don't know what latency is then just ping the nodes from the same network as your miner and pick the lowest ping(measured in ms=milliseconds).

Good luck!

Mine is in LA, CA.

M

Coincadence or mdudes pool node

Correct.  He doesn't charge fees for mining on minefast.coincadence.com

So, Windpath's node at minefast is a zero fee node? I pinged it and the times were decent. I see the 100% fee node is also in Ashburn VA same as minefast. And another question, 6 of my machines are Dragons that don't properly execute the stratum protocol. How would I set the difficulty or are they not compatible with P2P?

Thanks
 

Windpath has his node in VA.  http://minefast.coincadence.com.  By the way, p2pool.org is not a scam.  Windpath owns that domain now and is turning it into an informational site.  There is still a node there but unless you feel like donating your hashing power you probably don't want to mine there since it is 100% fee

It's generally seen as best to run your own node. However you can try looking at the list here for one that has good ping times/location to you.

I'm thinking of switching to P2Pool but don't want to run my own node. I've looked at the node list and some like p2pool.org seem like scams. Can someone suggest a node in the southeast i"m in Charlotte NC? Would be running about 10-15TH depending on how I decide to split it. Thanks

@smoothrunnings, I'll try to answer all of the questions you've asked.  Hopefully I don't miss any.

Latency for your miners is not an issue in your case.  You are running a local node with both the miners and the node on the same physical network.  Latency between your node and others is unknown to me.  You can check it by pinging the nodes to which you are connected.  The latency between your node and others is important because the faster you can propagate your found shares, the better the chance they aren't orphaned.

You can also help ensure you're getting BTC blocks relayed as quickly as possible by using Matt Corallo's relay node.  Check it out here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-and-why-pools-and-all-miners-should-use-the-relay-network-766190.

Regarding your question about earnings, I've got only one word for you: variance.  Sometimes you're going to be unlucky and not have very many shares on the chain.  Other times you're going to be lucky and have more than you should.  Also, you need to remember.  You are comparing earnings per day to earnings per block.  Online calculators report earnings per day.  As of right now, your 3TH/s expects to earn 0.05058BTC per day.  Your node reports expected payout per miner per block at that particular time.

The simple fact is that p2pool is going to be affected by variance because of its relatively low hash rate compared to the rest of the network.  In addition, you as an individual miner on p2pool are affected by variance because of the nature of finding shares.  It's a double whammy that leads to significant swings in earnings.  I'll give you a concrete example of this.  On 9/10, p2pool found 6 blocks.  I also happened to be on an upswing and had more shares than expected on the chain.  I earned 0.26259819BTC that day (an average of 0.043766365BTC per block).  Way more than what I expected to earn for my hash rate from my 8 S3s.  On the other hand, p2pool found only a single block on 9/12.  That day, I only earned 0.03200959BTC.

Here's another example.  I got a co-worker of mine into BTC and he currently owns an S3.  He's currently mining on my node and hasn't found a share in over 5 days.  He's missed out on 10 blocks so far.  I hear the same thing from him constantly, "What's wrong with my miner?  Why haven't I found a share?  Should I reboot it?  Something must be wrong!  I'm going to switch to another pool."  Then I show him that even with not receiving payments for some blocks, he's still ahead of expected earnings since he's started mining on p2pool.

In short, it's all about the variance.  If swings in luck are too much for you to deal with and you want the comfort of seeing lots of small, regular payments adding up, then p2pool is not for you.  I'd suggest one of the more traditional pools.  Otherwise, sit back, relax and enjoy the ride.