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Topic: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool - page 327. (Read 2591964 times)

legendary
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As long as your expectations are accurate the payout will still be the same or better over time as compared to other pools (p2pool has been preforming well overall) - the difference is that your variance will be higher.

IMHO as a miner I'd like to have enough hash power to receive a payout from each block found.

The minimum estimated hash rate to have an expected payout in each block found has gone from ~40GH/s about a week ago to ~50+ GH/s today. Even at 50 GH/s you may skip a block or 2 along the way, but your still getting a payout in the majority of blocks.

3 Easy steps to estimate the low-end of hash rate to have an expected payout in each block:

1. Go to http://minefast.coincadence.com/p2pool-stats.php
2. Click on the "Active Miners" tab below the graph
3. Click on the table header "Est. Hash Rate" to sort by hash rate



You can further investigate by clicking on the dashboard icon and viewing the miner dashboard.

Keep in mind these are rough estimates of hash rate for each miner in the pool, and that the estimates are subject to variance/luck (if your estimated rate is higher then your actual you are currently lucky).
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1024
Mine at Jonny's Pool
And we've come full circle on the inherent problem of p2pool - increased variance the higher the pool hashing rate becomes.  We're seeing it happening now with share difficulty between 3 and 4 million.  People are noticing not only fewer found shares, but also drops in expected payouts.

Depending on your hashrate, your variance might have actually decreased.  It's the small guys, like those with one S1 Ant, that are hurting.  I used to have two on my pool and they both bailed.

M
I suppose I should have stated "increased variance in finding shares".  Regardless of your hash rate, the higher the difficulty, the fewer the shares you would expect to find.  Now, overall you might find your payout variance decreasing because the pool finds more blocks.

As you state, the guys with the low hash rate suffer the most, but that has always been the case here, and is what has prompted a ton of discussion throughout this thread: how to cater to the "little guys".  The definition of the "little guy" is a moving target, though Wink.
legendary
Activity: 1540
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And we've come full circle on the inherent problem of p2pool - increased variance the higher the pool hashing rate becomes.  We're seeing it happening now with share difficulty between 3 and 4 million.  People are noticing not only fewer found shares, but also drops in expected payouts.

Depending on your hashrate, your variance might have actually decreased.  It's the small guys, like those with one S1 Ant, that are hurting.  I used to have two on my pool and they both bailed.

M
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1024
Mine at Jonny's Pool
Average pool rate has regularly been over 1 PH/s last couple days, and # of miners is up as well:



Here's looking forward to tens of blocks per day! *overly-optimistic thumbs up*

Careful what you ask for.  That'll put the pool rate around 10PH/s, and share difficulty will be about 33 million.

M
And we've come full circle on the inherent problem of p2pool - increased variance the higher the pool hashing rate becomes.  We're seeing it happening now with share difficulty between 3 and 4 million.  People are noticing not only fewer found shares, but also drops in expected payouts.

Oh, believe me, I'm not complaining about the much better frequency of payouts! Smiley I'm just wondering at the sudden and abrupt change in the amount of the payout.  I've seen my payouts change over a multi-day period before, due the variance in finding shares with my relatively small 200GH or because I go through a period of downtime for a few hours. I've just never seen it drop by an order of magnitude in less than a day before unless I had completely turned off all my mining rigs.
With the higher overall hash rate of the pool, each share you submit carries a lower weight.  Additionally because of the higher hash rate, the share difficultly goes up, meaning you submit fewer shares.  For example, let's assume a scenario where p2pool expects to find 1 block every 24 hours.  You have 1TH/s mining, and the pool has 500TH/s total.  If everything follows the expectations, you should earn just about 0.02902BTC every time a block is found.  Now, let's say the pool goes up to 1PH/s total.  Share difficulty adjusts to maintain the 1 share / 30 second rule.  Also share weights are adjusted.  Again, assuming everything is going to expectations, your expected payout per block drops by half because now p2pool expects to find 2 blocks a day.  So, now you'll see 0.01451BTC expected payout.  This still translates into your expected daily earnings to be right where they should at 0.02902BTC.

Hope this helps.
sr. member
Activity: 295
Merit: 250
Average pool rate has regularly been over 1 PH/s last couple days, and # of miners is up as well:



Here's looking forward to tens of blocks per day! *overly-optimistic thumbs up*

Careful what you ask for.  That'll put the pool rate around 10PH/s, and share difficulty will be about 33 million.

M
Sheesh, fair point. OK, here's to ... multiple singles of blocks per day! ... yeah ... that doesn't sound nearly as inspiring, but hey, I'll take it.
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
Average pool rate has regularly been over 1 PH/s last couple days, and # of miners is up as well:



Here's looking forward to tens of blocks per day! *overly-optimistic thumbs up*

Careful what you ask for.  That'll put the pool rate around 10PH/s, and share difficulty will be about 33 million.

M
sr. member
Activity: 295
Merit: 250
Average pool rate has regularly been over 1 PH/s last couple days, and # of miners is up as well:



Here's looking forward to tens of blocks per day! *overly-optimistic thumbs up*
legendary
Activity: 1258
Merit: 1027
Bounty Refund - S2 & S3

The bounty I set up for forrestv to come up with a working fix for the Antminer S2 & S3 ends tomorrow with no sign of any work completed.

Fortunately Bitmain came through with the S3, and it is working as expected on p2pool, link below is 4x stock S3 hashing as expected:

http://minefast.coincadence.com/miner.php?id=19vXrwKGUhK4cCU8tA4kWZgbChcmh9a6qj

The S2 still has the same problems it had when the bounty was established.

If you donated to the bounty address please PM me your TX # and the address you would like your refund sent to. If you did not let me know when you donated I may ask you to sign a message from the sending address to prove your identity.

Thanks to those who contributed.

The next bounty will be open to all developers.
legendary
Activity: 1258
Merit: 1027
Average pool rate has regularly been over 1 PH/s last couple days, and # of miners is up as well:

sr. member
Activity: 295
Merit: 250
Oh, believe me, I'm not complaining about the much better frequency of payouts! Smiley I'm just wondering at the sudden and abrupt change in the amount of the payout.  I've seen my payouts change over a multi-day period before, due the variance in finding shares with my relatively small 200GH or because I go through a period of downtime for a few hours. I've just never seen it drop by an order of magnitude in less than a day before unless I had completely turned off all my mining rigs.
member
Activity: 85
Merit: 10
I'm seeing basically the reverse.  My number of shares is about the same as it was before (maybe a 20% drop or so; that's normal for me), but my payout has dropped to 1/10th of what it was yesterday.  I'm puzzled at how huge a change that is in such a short period. I know variance can be a pain, but this is different.  It suggests a massive influx of hashing power to the network over the last day or two.

It's been quite solid the last couple of days, and you can see the pool has been growing all month:



My payouts has show a complete 50% drop during this time.
BUT - As many of the people on this forum have said.....
I see more blocks and I am getting the same payout if not actually a bit more $$$ in the long run....
Just hope that this holds true as we move forward......
My shares stared to return, not at 2 per hour but.... they are starting to come in again.
hero member
Activity: 994
Merit: 1000
I'm seeing basically the reverse.  My number of shares is about the same as it was before (maybe a 20% drop or so; that's normal for me), but my payout has dropped to 1/10th of what it was yesterday.  I'm puzzled at how huge a change that is in such a short period. I know variance can be a pain, but this is different.  It suggests a massive influx of hashing power to the network over the last day or two.

It's been quite solid the last couple of days, and you can see the pool has been growing all month:

sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250
Anybody notice a drop in shares?Huh
With no changes in setup or machines....
My shares stopped late last night...
So today, I rebooted my computer and reset the system and started everything fresh even the bitcore....
Now running 4 hours at 4 TH and 0.0 shares...
Thats very unusual as I usually get about 2 an hour on average...
Just wondering if its only me?Huh

Thanks
I'm seeing basically the reverse.  My number of shares is about the same as it was before (maybe a 20% drop or so; that's normal for me), but my payout has dropped to 1/10th of what it was yesterday.  I'm puzzled at how huge a change that is in such a short period. I know variance can be a pain, but this is different.  It suggests a massive influx of hashing power to the network over the last day or two.

too much contrast there methinks
sr. member
Activity: 295
Merit: 250
Anybody notice a drop in shares?Huh
With no changes in setup or machines....
My shares stopped late last night...
So today, I rebooted my computer and reset the system and started everything fresh even the bitcore....
Now running 4 hours at 4 TH and 0.0 shares...
Thats very unusual as I usually get about 2 an hour on average...
Just wondering if its only me?Huh

Thanks
I'm seeing basically the reverse.  My number of shares is about the same as it was before (maybe a 20% drop or so; that's normal for me), but my payout has dropped to 1/10th of what it was yesterday.  I'm puzzled at how huge a change that is in such a short period. I know variance can be a pain, but this is different.  It suggests a massive influx of hashing power to the network over the last day or two.
sr. member
Activity: 295
Merit: 250
Anybody notice a drop in shares?Huh
With no changes in setup or machines....
My shares stopped late last night...
So today, I rebooted my computer and reset the system and started everything fresh even the bitcore....
Now running 4 hours at 4 TH and 0.0 shares...
Thats very unusual as I usually get about 2 an hour on average...
Just wondering if its only me?Huh

Thanks
That's variance for you.  Now... that's some pretty crappy luck, but, it happens.  Sometimes when that happens to me, I give my miners a little pep talk.  Positive words of encouragement like, "I'm going to trade you in" and "Do you want to end up on eBay, too?".  Then, a lot of times if that doesn't do the trick, I'll threaten them with unplugging them and not plugging them back in or forcing them to work on the same block over and over until they get it right.  In extreme cases I'll reboot everything repeatedly, just so they know who is in control.

Tongue

There's a magic word I use frequently to get computers and electronic equipment in line.  It works wonders.  Just get close to the misbehaving gizmo, stare deep into its innards (or its case, if it's sealed), and quietly whisper, "Defenestration!"  It means to throw out of a window, preferably from a very tall building.

To be fair, it may not always work ... but it's certainly therapeutic for me!
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1001
Anybody notice a drop in shares?Huh
With no changes in setup or machines....
My shares stopped late last night...
So today, I rebooted my computer and reset the system and started everything fresh even the bitcore....
Now running 4 hours at 4 TH and 0.0 shares...
Thats very unusual as I usually get about 2 an hour on average...
Just wondering if its only me?Huh

Thanks

The share difficulty keeps increasing.  I saw it almost at 4m earlier today.  That's going to mean less shares, but theoretically more blocks.

M
member
Activity: 85
Merit: 10
Anybody notice a drop in shares?Huh
With no changes in setup or machines....
My shares stopped late last night...
So today, I rebooted my computer and reset the system and started everything fresh even the bitcore....
Now running 4 hours at 4 TH and 0.0 shares...
Thats very unusual as I usually get about 2 an hour on average...
Just wondering if its only me?Huh

Thanks
That's variance for you.  Now... that's some pretty crappy luck, but, it happens.  Sometimes when that happens to me, I give my miners a little pep talk.  Positive words of encouragement like, "I'm going to trade you in" and "Do you want to end up on eBay, too?".  Then, a lot of times if that doesn't do the trick, I'll threaten them with unplugging them and not plugging them back in or forcing them to work on the same block over and over until they get it right.  In extreme cases I'll reboot everything repeatedly, just so they know who is in control.

Tongue

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Thanks as long as I'm not losing it....
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
legendary
Activity: 1344
Merit: 1024
Mine at Jonny's Pool
Anybody notice a drop in shares?Huh
With no changes in setup or machines....
My shares stopped late last night...
So today, I rebooted my computer and reset the system and started everything fresh even the bitcore....
Now running 4 hours at 4 TH and 0.0 shares...
Thats very unusual as I usually get about 2 an hour on average...
Just wondering if its only me?Huh

Thanks
That's variance for you.  Now... that's some pretty crappy luck, but, it happens.  Sometimes when that happens to me, I give my miners a little pep talk.  Positive words of encouragement like, "I'm going to trade you in" and "Do you want to end up on eBay, too?".  Then, a lot of times if that doesn't do the trick, I'll threaten them with unplugging them and not plugging them back in or forcing them to work on the same block over and over until they get it right.  In extreme cases I'll reboot everything repeatedly, just so they know who is in control.

Tongue
member
Activity: 85
Merit: 10
Anybody notice a drop in shares?Huh
With no changes in setup or machines....
My shares stopped late last night...
So today, I rebooted my computer and reset the system and started everything fresh even the bitcore....
Now running 4 hours at 4 TH and 0.0 shares...
Thats very unusual as I usually get about 2 an hour on average...
Just wondering if its only me?Huh

Thanks
legendary
Activity: 1361
Merit: 1003
Don`t panic! Organize!
Razor has already P2pool up and running (according to coin OP).
Ask in proper thread. It is simple LTC clone https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/annrzr-razor-cutting-edge-of-technology-torno-preico-updated-nodes-644498
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