[1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool - page 363.

mdude77

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Quote from: DaveF on June 17, 2014, 10:56:43 AM

Quote from: mdude77 on June 16, 2014, 08:30:57 PM

Quote from: DaveF on June 16, 2014, 08:26:40 PM

Quote from: mdude77 on June 03, 2014, 07:55:21 PM

Updated list to include FSC (fusioncoin):

To help other p2pool ops that may be interested in sharing their merged mining income, I have dedicated addresses you can send to that I'll then convert to BTC and feed back into the pool:

DVC: 1f56VqR9ajX3K42qSaDezvKXFmruSDg1B
IXC: xaNQ54gxowcwHyxqGtFM4vwCfS84V6fmKF
NMC: N1XhWNmvGhFL145zmQGQv7Vug6mThNh1iQ
I0C: jMDtRnMAk2WxaoAw8HUceMaxPPqAuZ8AEN
FSC: Fjhv8Sk8iC7AF76CTJbKo1zkHLUbTTTBs2

(I haven't given up on this yet... despite the fact that it doesn't seem be going anywhere.)

M

Some FSC coming your way. TXID cc17467f0a744766e958fdfc9d0ac1a5cf2f26f05b1702ea07bd28b5c393d60c

Thanks!

I almost have 0.1 BTC worth!

M

A few more 0dd3b50ead7d2284928fa2f1caad29488b581d9f7208b1bf05006a5c8bb2d171

BTW where are you selling these? I did not know there was even a market till I saw you were collecting them.

-Dave

At the moment I'm not selling them. They are just collecting. The hope is someday there will be enough to sell and distribute, and/or they get valuable enough to sell.

M

DaveF

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Quote from: mdude77 on June 16, 2014, 08:30:57 PM

Quote from: DaveF on June 16, 2014, 08:26:40 PM

Quote from: mdude77 on June 03, 2014, 07:55:21 PM

Updated list to include FSC (fusioncoin):

To help other p2pool ops that may be interested in sharing their merged mining income, I have dedicated addresses you can send to that I'll then convert to BTC and feed back into the pool:

DVC: 1f56VqR9ajX3K42qSaDezvKXFmruSDg1B
IXC: xaNQ54gxowcwHyxqGtFM4vwCfS84V6fmKF
NMC: N1XhWNmvGhFL145zmQGQv7Vug6mThNh1iQ
I0C: jMDtRnMAk2WxaoAw8HUceMaxPPqAuZ8AEN
FSC: Fjhv8Sk8iC7AF76CTJbKo1zkHLUbTTTBs2

(I haven't given up on this yet... despite the fact that it doesn't seem be going anywhere.)

M

Some FSC coming your way. TXID cc17467f0a744766e958fdfc9d0ac1a5cf2f26f05b1702ea07bd28b5c393d60c

Thanks!

I almost have 0.1 BTC worth!

M

A few more 0dd3b50ead7d2284928fa2f1caad29488b581d9f7208b1bf05006a5c8bb2d171

BTW where are you selling these? I did not know there was even a market till I saw you were collecting them.

-Dave

cryptoceelo

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Hi guys could you list our p2pool in your directory?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7363187

jonnybravo0311

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Quote from: windpath on June 17, 2014, 09:40:10 AM

Hey folks!

It has taken a little longer then expected, but I'm getting close to releasing a p2pool.info "like" service on my node.

Since I had to start from scratch things are a little different, but we added in some cool stats that were not previously available...

I started our data collectors on June 11th, here is a preview of the P2Pool graph including hashrate, doa, and # of miners:

I know this is a stretch, but I asked for historical blocks and got them so here goes....

Does anyone have historical hashrate data for p2pool?

Ideally I'm looking for the following:

UTC Timestamp
Global Rate
Global Non-stale Rate
Number of Miners

Our collectors run every minute, so that would be the ideal data interval.

Regardless, I'll be working towards getting this live (beta) this week...

While that would be excellent, I doubt anybody's got that kind of information available (other than the owner of p2pool.info). You'd need someone who's had a node running since the beginning, and who has kept their logs the entire time so you could scrape through them. Unless p2pool.info comes back, I think the historical stuff is likely lost Sad

windpath

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Hey folks!

It has taken a little longer then expected, but I'm getting close to releasing a p2pool.info "like" service on my node.

Since I had to start from scratch things are a little different, but we added in some cool stats that were not previously available...

I started our data collectors on June 11th, here is a preview of the P2Pool graph including hashrate, doa, and # of miners:

I know this is a stretch, but I asked for historical blocks and got them so here goes....

Does anyone have historical hashrate data for p2pool?

Ideally I'm looking for the following:

UTC Timestamp
Global Rate
Global Non-stale Rate
Number of Miners

Our collectors run every minute, so that would be the ideal data interval.

Regardless, I'll be working towards getting this live (beta) this week...

jonnybravo0311

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Mine at Jonny's Pool

Quote from: mdude77 on June 16, 2014, 08:30:57 PM

Quote from: DaveF on June 16, 2014, 08:26:40 PM

Quote from: mdude77 on June 03, 2014, 07:55:21 PM

Updated list to include FSC (fusioncoin):

To help other p2pool ops that may be interested in sharing their merged mining income, I have dedicated addresses you can send to that I'll then convert to BTC and feed back into the pool:

DVC: 1f56VqR9ajX3K42qSaDezvKXFmruSDg1B
IXC: xaNQ54gxowcwHyxqGtFM4vwCfS84V6fmKF
NMC: N1XhWNmvGhFL145zmQGQv7Vug6mThNh1iQ
I0C: jMDtRnMAk2WxaoAw8HUceMaxPPqAuZ8AEN
FSC: Fjhv8Sk8iC7AF76CTJbKo1zkHLUbTTTBs2

(I haven't given up on this yet... despite the fact that it doesn't seem be going anywhere.)

M

Some FSC coming your way. TXID cc17467f0a744766e958fdfc9d0ac1a5cf2f26f05b1702ea07bd28b5c393d60c

Thanks!

I almost have 0.1 BTC worth!

M

Another friendly FSC donation of 100,000. Tx ID: e3cee58a12a227bf6fd7a69514f07fa003e79fa4b058a893e93d39deab1d50ce

norgan

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Decentralize your hashing - p2pool - Norgz Pool

Bitcoin core 0.9.2 now available https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=655359.0;topicseen tested with p2pool

Upgrade by shutting down Bitcoin core, install the new one, start and p2pool will reconnect to the new build.

mdude77

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Quote from: DaveF on June 16, 2014, 08:26:40 PM

Quote from: mdude77 on June 03, 2014, 07:55:21 PM

Updated list to include FSC (fusioncoin):

To help other p2pool ops that may be interested in sharing their merged mining income, I have dedicated addresses you can send to that I'll then convert to BTC and feed back into the pool:

DVC: 1f56VqR9ajX3K42qSaDezvKXFmruSDg1B
IXC: xaNQ54gxowcwHyxqGtFM4vwCfS84V6fmKF
NMC: N1XhWNmvGhFL145zmQGQv7Vug6mThNh1iQ
I0C: jMDtRnMAk2WxaoAw8HUceMaxPPqAuZ8AEN
FSC: Fjhv8Sk8iC7AF76CTJbKo1zkHLUbTTTBs2

(I haven't given up on this yet... despite the fact that it doesn't seem be going anywhere.)

M

Some FSC coming your way. TXID cc17467f0a744766e958fdfc9d0ac1a5cf2f26f05b1702ea07bd28b5c393d60c

Thanks!

I almost have 0.1 BTC worth!

M

DaveF

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Quote from: mdude77 on June 03, 2014, 07:55:21 PM

Updated list to include FSC (fusioncoin):

To help other p2pool ops that may be interested in sharing their merged mining income, I have dedicated addresses you can send to that I'll then convert to BTC and feed back into the pool:

DVC: 1f56VqR9ajX3K42qSaDezvKXFmruSDg1B
IXC: xaNQ54gxowcwHyxqGtFM4vwCfS84V6fmKF
NMC: N1XhWNmvGhFL145zmQGQv7Vug6mThNh1iQ
I0C: jMDtRnMAk2WxaoAw8HUceMaxPPqAuZ8AEN
FSC: Fjhv8Sk8iC7AF76CTJbKo1zkHLUbTTTBs2

(I haven't given up on this yet... despite the fact that it doesn't seem be going anywhere.)

M

Some FSC coming your way. TXID cc17467f0a744766e958fdfc9d0ac1a5cf2f26f05b1702ea07bd28b5c393d60c

-Dave

phillipsjk

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Let the chips fall where they may.

Quote from: ratty on June 16, 2014, 06:25:46 PM

What I'm unable to figure out, and nobody gets what I'm asking, is if blocks are discovered by the pool without me finding a share during that "round", since as far as p2pool is concerned I didn't do anything. Do I just lose out in the long run, or does it somehow magically average out over the course of a month I'll get comparable payouts from a centralized pool in the long run?

Yes, it evens out in the long-run. While you may not get paid for every block found, there will be times when you get over-paid. I myself (with 10GHash/s) just went about a month with no pay-outs. This past week, I was paid 7.36311mBTC (including a donation due to the Ghash.io situation).

Also frustrating is when you find a share, but the pool does not find a block within 3 days Tongue

Carlton Banks

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Quote from: ratty on June 16, 2014, 06:25:46 PM

So if I just stuck with it in p2pool for a month, would it average out even though I am not finding any shares for multiple blocks?

That's right, but while block difficulty is rising fast, it's more of a gamble than a centralised pool if you're using hashrates where the statistically expected time to share is more than the statistically expected time to a block for the pool. But it depends on how long your window of opportunity is while your equipment is still competitive.

Here's the most extreme way to illustrate the risks. If you get all your best luck with shares early on in the useful life of the miner, and p2pool does too with the network blocks, then you will comfortably do much better than with a centralised pool. If it were the opposite extreme, and you get your worst luck with shares and p2pool has it's worst luck with blocks, then you may end up with uneconomic mining hardware before you have a chance for the luck to rebalance.

bitdigger2013

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Quote from: norgan on June 16, 2014, 06:03:50 PM

Quote from: bitdigger2013 on June 16, 2014, 05:21:33 PM

How many of you try to find nodes close to you and add them to your nodes when you run your node with --p2pool-node?

I've got my own nodes doing that, I have a couple nearby that I have added also. how advantageous is it exactly to do so do you think? does it make a huge difference?

I don't know. I just added a few that I found near me under 30ms and set the default nodes to 4.

Posted here to see if others have noticed a difference to see if it is worthwhile. Will give it more time to see.

ratty

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Quote from: jonnybravo0311 on June 16, 2014, 04:20:43 PM

The mechanics are that every share you find is added to the share chain.

Thanks for the info.
What I'm unable to figure out, and nobody gets what I'm asking, is if blocks are discovered by the pool without me finding a share during that "round", since as far as p2pool is concerned I didn't do anything. Do I just lose out in the long run, or does it somehow magically average out over the course of a month I'll get comparable payouts from a centralized pool in the long run?
Again, this is in the case of getting 0 pool shares, I realize that once my miner finds a real share, its all good, I am talking about the case where the hash rate is too low to find even a single share after many blocks go by. When I do find a share, I'm only credited for a few hours of mining, my miner finally found one, and if I had been mining at a normal pool I would have gotten 3x that amount. So if I just stuck with it in p2pool for a month, would it average out even though I am not finding any shares for multiple blocks?

norgan

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Quote from: bitdigger2013 on June 16, 2014, 05:21:33 PM

How many of you try to find nodes close to you and add them to your nodes when you run your node with --p2pool-node?

I've got my own nodes doing that, I have a couple nearby that I have added also. how advantageous is it exactly to do so do you think? does it make a huge difference?

bitdigger2013

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How many of you try to find nodes close to you and add them to your nodes when you run your node with --p2pool-node?

jonnybravo0311

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Quote from: ratty on June 16, 2014, 01:05:23 PM

Quote from: mdude77 on June 16, 2014, 05:20:32 AM

What newcomers to p2pool usually don't immediately grasp is there are two types of shares in p2pool.

Thanks for the explantion but I did know that. I was explaining that my miners were seeing accepted shares so my local pool was accepting them to demonstrate I didn't think there was a problem with the miner. I was asking if I can still get the same payout over a longer period of time, or if something was broken and I needed to fix something. I'm going multiple blocks found by p2pool before even a single share is found by me, doesn't that mean I may as well have had my miner turned off during that period? So I know the mechanics of p2pool but I'm a bit fuzzy on the statistics science involved, and if over a longer period of time can it even out even if you have little hash rate compared to everyone Can I somehow get the same payouts as I do on normal pools, if I wait long enough?
This kind of kills the appeal of smaller miners, though I don't know what is more, all the smaller miners (under 1TH) added up vs entities that command larger hashrates. If its only the bigger miners that matter in the 51% threat, then I guess its just a matter of convincing them. I fell for the rhetoric on /r/bitcoin on reddit, about saying everyone should switch to p2pool, but I didn't they were only talking to > 1TH people only.

The mechanics are that every share you find is added to the share chain. That share will pay out for 8640 found shares and it drops off the payout list. One share every 30 seconds, 2 a minute, 120 an hour, 2880 a day, 8640 per three days.

The expected time to share is just an educated guess by the software. Based on your hash rate, you have a very high probability of finding a share every 12.6 hours. Does that mean it's going to happen like clockwork? Not at all. I had an S1 go for over a day before finding a share. Once you find that share, though, every block the p2pool network finds within the 3 day window you'll be paid. Even if your miner is shut down.

With lower hash rate, you'll notice the variance quite a lot. Firstly, you'll see it just to get a share on the chain. Then you'll see it from the p2pool network finding blocks. When you mine on the larger pools, you see less variance because they're solving blocks faster. You also get smaller rewards per block because your contributions count less.

So... if you're more comfortable getting a slow, steady payout, go with one of the larger pools. If you don't mind the variance, stick with p2pool.

norgan

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Quote from: PatMan on June 16, 2014, 10:44:15 AM

At the risk of repeating myself, I suggested this over a year ago....

I totally agree that the payments that the dev are getting should be directed at the miners instead - there is far more development being put into p2pool by it's users than the non-dev - which is zero & has been for many months.

I suggest everyone start using p2pool with the syntax "--give-author 0" in the command line. It's a temporary fix but will at least ensure that the non-dev stops getting paid for doing nothing until a more permanent solution is found. We need to get p2pool moving forward again - too much time has been wasted already.

Peace

This is my point. If you are donating to the dev and are not happy about the lack of development then its your own silly fault. Set donation to 0.

I agree we need to try and fix the issue with larger miners but I've rented some rigs and they've been quite good.

CartmanSPC

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Been seeing the following error lately:

Code:

No bitcoind connection when block submittal attempted!

Restarting the coin daemon seems to resolve it temporarily but I still see the following error sometimes:

Code:

Block submittal result: False (u'rejected') Expected: True

Anyone?

Is it possible to have a backup coin daemon running with p2pool?

nreal

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arcs-chain.com

net-misc/cgminer-4.3.5 doesnt work with p2pool stratum, not here anyways - it falls to longpoll

ratty

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Quote from: mdude77 on June 16, 2014, 05:20:32 AM

What newcomers to p2pool usually don't immediately grasp is there are two types of shares in p2pool.

Thanks for the explantion but I did know that. I was explaining that my miners were seeing accepted shares so my local pool was accepting them to demonstrate I didn't think there was a problem with the miner. I was asking if I can still get the same payout over a longer period of time, or if something was broken and I needed to fix something. I'm going multiple blocks found by p2pool before even a single share is found by me, doesn't that mean I may as well have had my miner turned off during that period? So I know the mechanics of p2pool but I'm a bit fuzzy on the statistics science involved, and if over a longer period of time can it even out even if you have little hash rate compared to everyone Can I somehow get the same payouts as I do on normal pools, if I wait long enough?
This kind of kills the appeal of smaller miners, though I don't know what is more, all the smaller miners (under 1TH) added up vs entities that command larger hashrates. If its only the bigger miners that matter in the 51% threat, then I guess its just a matter of convincing them. I fell for the rhetoric on /r/bitcoin on reddit, about saying everyone should switch to p2pool, but I didn't they were only talking to > 1TH people only.

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