my share of the erroneous fee is on its way back !https://blockchain.info/tx/c39af28cb3acb6b1f858a4348665200d0c7d5bfe587b46614840da1f9bc8985a
btw I am 1BCnzg9zxrFJonTvvtEJTY63AqaHzRLV9g on the above list ... but sent from another address
Topic: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool - page 455. (Read 2591964 times)
December 17, 2013, 01:30:35 PM
just to put my money where my mouth is my share of the erroneous fee is on its way back !
https://blockchain.info/tx/c39af28cb3acb6b1f858a4348665200d0c7d5bfe587b46614840da1f9bc8985a
btw I am 1BCnzg9zxrFJonTvvtEJTY63AqaHzRLV9g on the above list ... but sent from another address
my share of the erroneous fee is on its way back !https://blockchain.info/tx/c39af28cb3acb6b1f858a4348665200d0c7d5bfe587b46614840da1f9bc8985a
btw I am 1BCnzg9zxrFJonTvvtEJTY63AqaHzRLV9g on the above list ... but sent from another address
December 17, 2013, 01:30:10 PM
Been trying to set up a few P2Pool nodes for mining alt-coins and I have some very basic questions that I can't seem to find the answers for. Hoping someone can chime in and help:
1. My first P2PNode is a private node and has the miner fee set to 2% (w/0.5% donation). I have a few miners mining for several hours and several blocks have been found, with payouts going to the miners; however, I have yet to see a payout to the payout address (current payout reads: 0). Is this normal? I thought 2% of each miner's payout would arrive at my set default payout address.
2. My 2nd P2PNode has miner fee set to 0%. In this node, I should never see any payout to the default address (unless someone is mining with an invalid address), correct?
My concern is mainly with node #1 as why why I'm not seeing a payout at the default address. Does P2Pool payout the mining fee with every block found? Or does it queue it up and send it later?
1. My first P2PNode is a private node and has the miner fee set to 2% (w/0.5% donation). I have a few miners mining for several hours and several blocks have been found, with payouts going to the miners; however, I have yet to see a payout to the payout address (current payout reads: 0). Is this normal? I thought 2% of each miner's payout would arrive at my set default payout address.
2. My 2nd P2PNode has miner fee set to 0%. In this node, I should never see any payout to the default address (unless someone is mining with an invalid address), correct?
My concern is mainly with node #1 as why why I'm not seeing a payout at the default address. Does P2Pool payout the mining fee with every block found? Or does it queue it up and send it later?
December 17, 2013, 01:03:43 PM
If all of a sudden the network started finding lots of non-block-winning shares, luck would fall. If all of a sudden the network found fewer non-block-winning shares (but the same number of blocks), luck would rise.
Yes. This is why the hashrate graph shown in p2pool.info is "bumpy". Hashrate is not really changing that much--it's mostly just luck/variance.
By the way, this is a limitation of all pools. No pool knows how much hashing is actually being done by its miners. Pools only knows what shares are being submitted then they estimate hashrates based on those submitted shares (and then they calculate luck based on those estimated hashrates). Over a long enough period of time, the inherent share-finding-variance evens out. So I personally have fairly high confidence that the 90 day luck number, in particular, is reasonably accurate and that the pool really did find about 18% more blocks in the last 90 days than it "should have". Maybe the real number is 17% or 19%, but it's pretty close.
P.S. I have no idea how p2pool knows the global DOA/stale rate, but it clearly does (or thinks it does) since it is displayed in the console output and is directly used to calculate efficiency.
December 17, 2013, 12:33:00 PM
It's that "hashrate over time as reported by p2pool, itself" that I'm asking about. This itself is, as I understand it, a calculated figure.
This answer raises another question, though. What's the "over time"? Is the time period that the hashrate was calculated over the same as the time period the number of blocks were counted over?
I guess the source code of p2pool would be the place to find the answers?
Both p2pool.info and p2pool, itself are open source, so yes, you can look at the code if you are curious. about the specifics
I don't know for sure how p2pool calculates pool hashrate for sure (forrestv will have to comment), but I generally understand it to be based on the number shares being found and I think it also includes some kind of adjustment to include DOA/orphaned shares as well.
p2pool.info collects and stores the hashrate of p2pool generally every 5 minutes. When a block is found, those 5 minute hashrate data points are used allong with the block's difficulty to calculate the luck of that "round". Then, the luck of individual blocks are aggregated to come up with the 7, 30, and 90 day luck statistics.
December 17, 2013, 12:30:16 PM
Anybody want to do the calculations to determine the list of addresses that benefited from his transaction fee and how much each of them got and post it here. Seems like a good thing for the guy that goofed to do. I don't feel like figuring it out, but if he'll show me, if and how much I got, I'll send it back.
Here is the list
Find your address, next to it the full reward you received and last on the line the coins you got out of the erroneous transaction (rounded down to the next satoshi
Above the list is the link to the original transaction ...
...
Ok, for what it's worth I refunded my .012... amount.
December 17, 2013, 12:06:06 PM
Anybody want to do the calculations to determine the list of addresses that benefited from his transaction fee and how much each of them got and post it here. Seems like a good thing for the guy that goofed to do. I don't feel like figuring it out, but if he'll show me, if and how much I got, I'll send it back.
Here is the list
Find your address, next to it the full reward you received and last on the line the coins you got out of the erroneous transaction (rounded down to the next satoshi
Above the list is the link to the original transaction ...
Code:
Transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/a2d1e19331f4ea274079c94382560bbb4f32165ed647a33adad651a604e7caa2
Total Input 20.199
Total Output 0.05271705
Fees 20.14628295
Address Reward from err. fee
169kP3iVQPXn26rmb6WLvtSRA8izrrCa7z 4.99917856 2.22812104
146197ntzrBT41DDQRrB2STBb19dw7ct2F 4.12685989 1.83933085
1NVEG1caKo3Y4Qy2HFJJ2zQsdxER3SLB3B 0.83496966 0.37214383
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17HA1G9R4WMbBRQyCqXKiijZi1mhqEj5sD 0.77251975 0.34431006
14brPwTZA8jB3AVRpMKhvLYFQGr5GJGRMN 0.76488438 0.34090700
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18zPEDi8YgkBDZCxcTPNaygEGCaVxkTX1L 0.00874920 0.00389949
1771rKYRkhQ2t5X1HQ8a9T8DCMEAfTQcxj 0.00874758 0.00389877
15GzM24gRpNHqPvLJGqWkGMwzQzf8giqJf 0.00873747 0.00389426
1L8G1qMGA4M6EdcbQfWmD35butE8k1Ytu2 0.00870207 0.00387849
1ynXmHMAtSYYTUdx1gM5fe11sqzaRVTNN 0.00868343 0.00387018
1GaNi2zdpP2243fAGNM96B41Bj1nvgaeKF 0.00864945 0.00385503
1BdTuu7fkAvhnbqCjhhmDcwXGMBWpPZssD 0.00862885 0.00384585
1HEo9JbLDDB12eESqhCDMZmqzzVGdL6uor 0.00852132 0.00379793
1LWAaxdURSrCDydYiD769yN3AX5w2gzgpR 0.00842256 0.00375391
12W8yWLqFVGmWN7CVmRLXP7H6756jC9ick 0.00840149 0.00374452
18eJH4XiW9sSLyKFYJ3KVEJJ8Y3giudo6s 0.00835427 0.00372347
19uzKuwLsjiXwNiuQA7barSkAkRzF21xgd 0.00833094 0.00371307
1Hfk91AupMWBDJXsNNfX8PCdHYrjB73Us7 0.00818496 0.00364801
1M4ZadBMR3UkxXSQtqNydaGxgC7Qzu6hRe 0.00807822 0.00360044
1DT64QpM1FdjtLy13cjaZ1jU4mv24DuRJA 0.00807398 0.00359855
12VFR1LakExmXvZjigPK8r6o4g1KHRsWGi 0.00800242 0.00356665
Block total 45.20170295 20.14628085
December 17, 2013, 11:47:07 AM
Does the number of p2pool shares found include deads and orphans?
In any case, it sounds like what you're measuring is the luck in creating blocks vs. the luck in creating shares... At least, that's what you're measuring if you're including all the deads and orphans. If you're not including the deads and orphans, then your hash estimate is too low.
Is it even possible to measure deads and orphans? Not all of the network is necessarily going to see all of them...
In any case, it sounds like what you're measuring is the luck in creating blocks vs. the luck in creating shares... At least, that's what you're measuring if you're including all the deads and orphans. If you're not including the deads and orphans, then your hash estimate is too low.
Is it even possible to measure deads and orphans? Not all of the network is necessarily going to see all of them...
good point - I'm not the one that quotes that +12% number, but that's about what the DOA+orphan rate is on the network that is also possibly viable blocks.
Does anyone know how p2pool.info does it?
A complete explaination is somewhere around page 100-120 I think
In a nutshell, the luck calculation is a comparison of the number of blocks that were actually found vs the number of blocks that should have been found (based on the pool's hashrate over time as reported by p2pool, itself). When more blocks were found than were expected, luck is > 100% and vice versa.
Orphaned blocks are included in the count of found blocks because a block being orphaned or not has nothing to do with the mathematics of block finding probability and I wanted "100% luck" to equal "normal". Certainly having blocks get orphaned is unlucky, but it's bad luck related to something different than the odds of finding a valid block.
December 17, 2013, 11:37:58 AM
Does the number of p2pool shares found include deads and orphans?
In any case, it sounds like what you're measuring is the luck in creating blocks vs. the luck in creating shares... At least, that's what you're measuring if you're including all the deads and orphans. If you're not including the deads and orphans, then your hash estimate is too low.
Is it even possible to measure deads and orphans? Not all of the network is necessarily going to see all of them...
In any case, it sounds like what you're measuring is the luck in creating blocks vs. the luck in creating shares... At least, that's what you're measuring if you're including all the deads and orphans. If you're not including the deads and orphans, then your hash estimate is too low.
Is it even possible to measure deads and orphans? Not all of the network is necessarily going to see all of them...
good point - I'm not the one that quotes that +12% number, but that's about what the DOA+orphan rate is on the network that is also possibly viable blocks.
Does anyone know how p2pool.info does it?
December 17, 2013, 07:56:36 AM
Anybody want to do the calculations to determine the list of addresses that benefited from his transaction fee and how much each of them got and post it here. Seems like a good thing for the guy that goofed to do. I don't feel like figuring it out, but if he'll show me, if and how much I got, I'll send it back.
December 17, 2013, 12:25:20 AM
I just calculated my slice of the erroneous fee: 0.24946BTC - and I will send it back !
Might take some time, I have to boot my cold wallet laptop when I come home from work today.
- and I will send it back !Might take some time, I have to boot my cold wallet laptop when I come home from work today.
December 17, 2013, 12:01:46 AM
I was wondering when they were going to say something... I've sent my portion of the erroneous fee to them. I don't think they'll get it all back though. :/
At least now I know what happened with that transaction.
At least now I know what happened with that transaction.
December 16, 2013, 09:46:58 PM
Has a newbie account. Reposted here.
-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- This is aliens_exist_1 of the 20 bitcoin tx fee sob story. I posted my story on reddit here http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1t1nvl/i_accidentally_sent_a_brainwallet_transaction/ -----BEGIN SIGNATURE----- 1Jt35Ww1GjM9iGyTM8mAyBmCPPdPz7Z35A G2GI3yhycdNoQqJQgFr+JvRsq2eSnNuKiLnRl5ZoD0JJpgBKPzKKA1JC9+uQRH1uMEg3webgh+tBQO/ihoSw4uc= -----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
December 16, 2013, 06:29:07 PM
...and people who've been mining on p2pool all year have made something like 12% more than they expected
How the heck is it possible to calculate that? Is this a sampled figure?
http://p2pool.info/luck/
you can calculate the total number of hashes in the year and the expected number of blocks. You can then count the total number of blocks actually found. You do that, and you get +12%.
How do you calculate the total number of hashes in the year? Aren't you just estimating this from the number of blocks/shares found?
What is really calculated is the number of hashes you'd have to perform to have a good chance of finding the same number of (different) blocks at the same difficulties. That's cumbersome to say, so most people just shorten it. Or they are confused. Either way, when you see people say things like that, you need to expand it to the full phrase in your head when you read it.
thanks, yes - and p2pool has the extra data in that you can track the number of p2pool shares found, and the difficulty of those shares. So you look how many hashes are in those p2pool shares (effectively) and compare that to how many hashes should have been in the blocks you found. We have fewer calculated hashes in the p2pool share chain than is expected based on the number of real blocks that were found.
December 16, 2013, 06:10:51 PM
...and people who've been mining on p2pool all year have made something like 12% more than they expected
How the heck is it possible to calculate that? Is this a sampled figure?
http://p2pool.info/luck/
you can calculate the total number of hashes in the year and the expected number of blocks. You can then count the total number of blocks actually found. You do that, and you get +12%.
How do you calculate the total number of hashes in the year? Aren't you just estimating this from the number of blocks/shares found?
What is really calculated is the number of hashes you'd have to perform to have a good chance of finding the same number of (different) blocks at the same difficulties. That's cumbersome to say, so most people just shorten it. Or they are confused. Either way, when you see people say things like that, you need to expand it to the full phrase in your head when you read it.
December 16, 2013, 05:28:15 PM
...and people who've been mining on p2pool all year have made something like 12% more than they expected
How the heck is it possible to calculate that? Is this a sampled figure?I had 120GH/s on a local P2Pool and 140Gh/s on Bitminter and made 17% more on P2Pool July-Oct (with less hashrate!), but 22% less on P2Pool For Nov - the BFL kit just can get the p2pool shares often enough, and the pool doesnt find as many blocks now - still, both have done better than the 191Gh/s on cex/ghash and obviously better than 50BTC who scammed eveyone.
December 16, 2013, 04:41:13 PM
...and people who've been mining on p2pool all year have made something like 12% more than they expected
How the heck is it possible to calculate that? Is this a sampled figure?
http://p2pool.info/luck/
you can calculate the total number of hashes in the year and the expected number of blocks. You can then count the total number of blocks actually found. You do that, and you get +12%.
December 16, 2013, 03:09:08 PM
Is there a definition of the p2pool network protocol anywhere?
December 16, 2013, 02:17:15 PM
Hey all,
Newbie here - been digging doges at pool.hostv.pl:9355 for almost 7 hours now, with almost 370 Accepted shares but no payout yet - is there something that's gone wrong? Who should I contact?
http://imgur.com/vO58jl8
Any help would be much appreciated!
Thanks
Newbie here - been digging doges at pool.hostv.pl:9355 for almost 7 hours now, with almost 370 Accepted shares but no payout yet - is there something that's gone wrong? Who should I contact?
http://imgur.com/vO58jl8
Any help would be much appreciated!
Thanks
I know admin of that node, I just told him that you asking.
Thanks. Yeah, I'm guessing I don't know near enough. I saw the dogecoins site, thought it might be fun to mine some, used the p2pool mentioned on frontpage of the site - didn't realize I guess there's no point unless I've got a an expensive rig, apparently.
Sad...
December 16, 2013, 12:24:38 PM
However, since the difficulty is still going up every two weeks, you want to make sure to get as many payments within each two-week period as possible,
This is a common misunderstanding but it just isn't how expected return works. Consider a hypothetical case where there was only ever going to be one more block ever— sort of like difficulty going up infinitely. Your expected return of one technique vs another still works out just fine.Future blocks— and their difficulty, higher or lower— have absolutely nothing to do with what your expected return is in choosing to mine this way or that in this instant. The possibility of getting less than what you deserve is counterbalanced out by the possibility of getting more than what you deserve and the sum of the possibilities is the expectation. Amusingly: the chances of being overpaid are greater than being underpaid (median of the exponential distribution is less than the mean).
...and people who've been mining on p2pool all year have made something like 12% more than they expected— due to that possibility of getting somewhat more than you deserve, and perhaps some inherent forwarding advantage of P2Pool due to its distributed announcement.
Regardless of the overall variance, what pooling primarily accomplishes is reduces the probability of getting _way_ less than you deserve for weeks at a time to negligible levels, and p2pool does that quite nicely and without undermining the security design of the Bitcoin system.
December 16, 2013, 11:53:33 AM
I think what you mean is: "I'll use my hash rate on another pool, one that pays less for the work at a commensurately lower share threshold, and I'll end up with the same amount of reward long term "
"I think what he is really saying is "I want to mine on a pool that has less variance for me." Seems like a reasonable move to me. Solo mining also pays the same in the long run, but most people mine on pools to reduce variance.
IF difficulty was constant, than in the long run P2Pool pays out the same as other pools. However, since the difficulty is still going up every two weeks, you want to make sure to get as many payments within each two-week period as possible, otherwise you will be making less than a lower variance pool. To take this to the extreme, if you solo mine and get a block every week, you will get paid every week. If you solo mine and get a block every month, the difficulty could be increasing faster than your chances of getting a block, and you may never get a block at all (I don't think I have ever found a block, despite mining for the last 3 years with what used to be decent hardware that at one point earned me 1BTC a day)
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