1660ti does 507 H/s with XMR and 30+ MH/s using 60-70 watts for Ethash.
Even if it does that, a rx 570 can be bought for $100 and the 1660ti is around $350. What the hell.
Topic: 1600 series Nvidia GPUs are significantly better than everything else. - page 5. (Read 2477 times)
April 18, 2019, 07:28:20 PM
Even if it does that, a rx 570 can be bought for $100 and the 1660ti is around $350. What the hell.
April 18, 2019, 07:24:34 PM
I recently got a 1660 in addition to a 1660ti. Depending on what you mine the 1660 is the better choice $/hash.
Even when only paying $700, 2080s can't approach the $/hash of 3x 1660s.
If you can find $50 P106-100s, then that is the best $/hash; however the lowest I have seen these listed is $100. Which is still very good $/hash.
The best RVN rig right now $/hash using new GPUs is a 1660 rig.
I am very confident that 1660s will retain their value very well, and will likely be able to be resold for more than their purchase price with the next bull market. If resold in a bear market they will lose the least value. Mainstream GPUs are always the easiest to resell for near their purchase price.
While I expect a 1670 or 1670ti to be better for mining, they will not be better for resale.
Mainstream gamers tend to want single fan GPUs, vs dual fan.
Of the single fan variants of the 1660, I think the EVGA 1660 XC Black is the best choice.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PGLLWRY sold out on amazon
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487437 still in stock at newegg
1660ti single fan variants are also a good choice, but will likely be slightly harder to resell and have slightly worse $/hash.
I also like the EVGA 1660ti XC Black best out of the single fan 1660ti variants.
what numbers did you get in your testing and how many 1660s have you lumped into one rig?
I only have 1x 1660.
It is on a mixed test rig with:
1660ti, 1060, 1070, 1070, 1660, 2060
I ran the 1660 in its own process today to benchmark:
EVGA 1660 XC Black:
OS:
oros
CLIENT_OC:
106,100,500,49,1
Client:
trex 0.9.2 cuda 10:
RVN: 19 MH/s
Client:
cryptodredge 0.18.0 cuda 10:
MTP: 1950 KH/s
Client:
gminer 1.38:
grincuckaroo29: 3.9 G/s
April 18, 2019, 11:08:44 AM
I recently got a 1660 in addition to a 1660ti. Depending on what you mine the 1660 is the better choice $/hash.
Even when only paying $700, 2080s can't approach the $/hash of 3x 1660s.
If you can find $50 P106-100s, then that is the best $/hash; however the lowest I have seen these listed is $100. Which is still very good $/hash.
The best RVN rig right now $/hash using new GPUs is a 1660 rig.
I am very confident that 1660s will retain their value very well, and will likely be able to be resold for more than their purchase price with the next bull market. If resold in a bear market they will lose the least value. Mainstream GPUs are always the easiest to resell for near their purchase price.
While I expect a 1670 or 1670ti to be better for mining, they will not be better for resale.
Mainstream gamers tend to want single fan GPUs, vs dual fan.
Of the single fan variants of the 1660, I think the EVGA 1660 XC Black is the best choice.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PGLLWRY sold out on amazon
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487437 still in stock at newegg
1660ti single fan variants are also a good choice, but will likely be slightly harder to resell and have slightly worse $/hash.
I also like the EVGA 1660ti XC Black best out of the single fan 1660ti variants.
what numbers did you get in your testing and how many 1660s have you lumped into one rig?
April 18, 2019, 06:41:44 AM
I recently got a 1660 in addition to a 1660ti. Depending on what you mine the 1660 is the better choice $/hash.
Even when only paying $700, 2080s can't approach the $/hash of 3x 1660s.
If you can find $50 P106-100s, then that is the best $/hash; however the lowest I have seen these listed is $100. Which is still very good $/hash.
The best RVN rig right now $/hash using new GPUs is a 1660 rig.
I am very confident that 1660s will retain their value very well, and will likely be able to be resold for more than their purchase price with the next bull market. If resold in a bear market they will lose the least value. Mainstream GPUs are always the easiest to resell for near their purchase price.
While I expect a 1670 or 1670ti to be better for mining, they will not be better for resale.
Mainstream gamers tend to want single fan GPUs, vs dual fan.
Of the single fan variants of the 1660, I think the EVGA 1660 XC Black is the best choice.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PGLLWRY sold out on amazon
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487437 still in stock at newegg
1660ti single fan variants are also a good choice, but will likely be slightly harder to resell and have slightly worse $/hash.
I also like the EVGA 1660ti XC Black best out of the single fan 1660ti variants.
March 23, 2019, 05:53:12 PM
1600 series Nvidia GPUs are significantly better than everything else for mining.
The 1660ti almost matches a 1070's performance with only 75 watts.
Currently, most mining clients don’t support the 1660 or 1660ti.
Linux drivers currently only have limited support for the 1660 and 1660ti.
The 1670 or 1670ti will be the next GPU that will be optimal to buy for mining. They will likely have a 150-160 watt TDP, with an optimal mining powerlimit around 90-95 watts.
plan accordingly
The 1660ti almost matches a 1070's performance with only 75 watts.
Currently, most mining clients don’t support the 1660 or 1660ti.
Linux drivers currently only have limited support for the 1660 and 1660ti.
The 1670 or 1670ti will be the next GPU that will be optimal to buy for mining. They will likely have a 150-160 watt TDP, with an optimal mining powerlimit around 90-95 watts.
plan accordingly
Yes exactly. I have one 1660ti and its power draw is very low. Nice card... but devs and good drivers need to optimize it.
March 21, 2019, 10:09:24 PM
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1300 day payback period is a joke, your card will be worth $200 and obsolete for mining. This would make your card the same age as a 980 ti, selling for $180 on ebay. So your 1,300 day return is $180. Unless their is a rally, which is more then likely to happen.
I agree 1300 day payback period is a joke and that's if your lucky enough to have a 10 cent watt rate for residential, 100 percent uptime and I didn't even include the power it takes to run the cpu, motherboard, system and cooling. So the real pay back period is probably much longer than 5 years. But I guess that's what mining is at its current phase. Its over saturated with plenty of dumb miner money and It's a race to the bottom.
It's so easy to mine and everyone knows how to do it and people would pay to do it for entertainment. If you want to be successful do something that nobody else knows how to do or wants to do. I would not rely on gpu mining to replace my day job (sorry Vosk you got roasted buddy, good thing you get some income from youtube)
I accepted these fact and only mine as a hobby now. Quite an expensive one
You are so true. It's absolutely not worth it to build rigs and spend cash to new PSU/MOBO/RAM RTX card but if you can source these parts used from quitting miners (Vosk) who spent excess amounts of buying mint new gear while crypto hit the fan, you might get something out of it. We have found used 1,2kw PSU for free and AsRock 13GPU mining MOBO (20$) for practically free. Stick it with 4GB RAM and 40$ Celeron and USB drive for linux mining OS you will have decent 13GPU mining rig perfect for 24/7 mining. I have found miners dumping P106-100 6GB cards for as low as 50$ because they cannot be used for gaming. You can wire off 13card P106-100 mining rig which is effective GTX 1060 rig with powerlimit 80W per card it will be roughly 1kw.... we have done tens of them so it works. It mines perfectly over the costs example RVN. Total cost of our 13card 1kw rigs is somewhat 1000$
At this market it's 0 point to invest sticker price stuff.
But in the end those who pay sticker price always lose.
March 21, 2019, 12:43:00 PM
I think two steps ahead and focus on whats going to get me the maximum amount of money in a few years of mining and not selling a single coin till we hit next parabolic bull cycle. I always pick out my gpu's based on a rig setup that will allow me to mine the most popular new coins like grin and beam early before asics hit them and I pick hardware that has most efficiency for the long game so i don't get gpu liquidated.
Man you sound so delusional its hilarious
Same here good stuff but is eth going to swithc to PROGPOW? What kind of performance will a 470 have in progpow? Rx 400 and 500 eries are cheap right now if they preform well on prog they are a steal.
Yeah. Did you see those sapphire 570 4gb on amazon for £100 - new? That's bonkers cheap. If I could still run them profitably I would have bought a few rigs...
March 21, 2019, 09:15:06 AM
Maths are hard for some people i guess
1660Ti = $299 MSRP
RTX 2080 = $799 MSRP
If you can find the 2080 on a 1 off low price, you will be able to do the same thing for the 1660 once its a month or two old. You are cherry picking your data to prove your point even though you are standing on very shaky ground. You even had to single out one particular algo and a random useless shitcoin to prove your point.
Lets look at something more popular...say ETH hash rates.
1660Ti = 29.5MH @ 90w (Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/gpumining/comments/avyaq1/gtx_1660_ti_mining_performance/ )
2080 = 42.3MH @ 168w (Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/gpumining/comments/9ixng5/rtx_2080_mining_hashrateperformance/ )
So on the most popular algo you can get a pair of 1660s doing 59mh @ 180w or a single 2080 doing 42.3mh @ 168w....
PHi2
1660Ti = 9.2mh @ 90w
2080 = 9.97mh @ 168w
The 1660 dominates here....
x16r
1660TI = 17.8mh @ 90w
2080 = 30mh @ 168w
Close enough to be nearly identical....
See when you cherry pick results its easy to make claims that your way is the best. The unfortunate side effect is someone might listen to your bs and make a poor decision after reading this because they dont know how to do proper research on their own.
1660Ti = $299 MSRP
RTX 2080 = $799 MSRP
If you can find the 2080 on a 1 off low price, you will be able to do the same thing for the 1660 once its a month or two old. You are cherry picking your data to prove your point even though you are standing on very shaky ground. You even had to single out one particular algo and a random useless shitcoin to prove your point.
Lets look at something more popular...say ETH hash rates.
1660Ti = 29.5MH @ 90w (Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/gpumining/comments/avyaq1/gtx_1660_ti_mining_performance/ )
2080 = 42.3MH @ 168w (Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/gpumining/comments/9ixng5/rtx_2080_mining_hashrateperformance/ )
So on the most popular algo you can get a pair of 1660s doing 59mh @ 180w or a single 2080 doing 42.3mh @ 168w....
PHi2
1660Ti = 9.2mh @ 90w
2080 = 9.97mh @ 168w
The 1660 dominates here....
x16r
1660TI = 17.8mh @ 90w
2080 = 30mh @ 168w
Close enough to be nearly identical....
See when you cherry pick results its easy to make claims that your way is the best. The unfortunate side effect is someone might listen to your bs and make a poor decision after reading this because they dont know how to do proper research on their own.
fpgas just took over phi2 btw
March 21, 2019, 08:44:11 AM
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1300 day payback period is a joke, your card will be worth $200 and obsolete for mining. This would make your card the same age as a 980 ti, selling for $180 on ebay. So your 1,300 day return is $180. Unless their is a rally, which is more then likely to happen.
I agree 1300 day payback period is a joke and that's if your lucky enough to have a 10 cent watt rate for residential, 100 percent uptime and I didn't even include the power it takes to run the cpu, motherboard, system and cooling. So the real pay back period is probably much longer than 5 years. But I guess that's what mining is at its current phase. Its over saturated with plenty of dumb miner money and It's a race to the bottom.
It's so easy to mine and everyone knows how to do it and people would pay to do it for entertainment. If you want to be successful do something that nobody else knows how to do or wants to do. I would not rely on gpu mining to replace my day job (sorry Vosk you got roasted buddy, good thing you get some income from youtube)
I accepted these fact and only mine as a hobby now. Quite an expensive one
But then again, you can also have a general positive view on the market and buy gear now because you can. Better than buying RX570's for $600 in spring 2018...
The only real valid question remains however whether you should buy gear or coins at this stage if you're expecting markets to rise.
March 20, 2019, 04:48:49 PM
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1300 day payback period is a joke, your card will be worth $200 and obsolete for mining. This would make your card the same age as a 980 ti, selling for $180 on ebay. So your 1,300 day return is $180. Unless their is a rally, which is more then likely to happen.
I agree 1300 day payback period is a joke and that's if your lucky enough to have a 10 cent watt rate for residential, 100 percent uptime and I didn't even include the power it takes to run the cpu, motherboard, system and cooling. So the real pay back period is probably much longer than 5 years. But I guess that's what mining is at its current phase. Its over saturated with plenty of dumb miner money and It's a race to the bottom.
It's so easy to mine and everyone knows how to do it and people would pay to do it for entertainment. If you want to be successful do something that nobody else knows how to do or wants to do. I would not rely on gpu mining to replace my day job (sorry Vosk you got roasted buddy, good thing you get some income from youtube)
I accepted these fact and only mine as a hobby now. Quite an expensive one
March 20, 2019, 04:20:34 PM
So according to my findings, no, 1600 series Nvidia GPUs are not significantly better than everything else.
And that is not a claim I ever made. I was pointing out that lunos advice and outlook on things was very one sided to his situation and when you take into account the price of the cards the 1660Ti is a much better choice as a way to get into mining without breaking the bank. I was referring to the price/performance ratio and the payback times involved. No matter what algo you pick, the payback on the 2080 makes it a horrible choice for mining and I stand by that statement.
Not true at all according to whattomine . If your mining at 10 cent watt rate as an average home miner mining ethereum at 30 hashrate at 70 watts and if you use the 2080 rtx to mine zcoin at 3.6 hash rate at 150w. The 2080 rtx actually has a faster pay off period. About 1376 days to payback 1660 ti for $289 for the evga gaming edtion or 1344 payback for the top of the line $780 dollar for evga xc gaming edition. Even faster payoff if you choose the cheaper 2080 rtx gigabytes at $730 (1258 days)
So now you gota ask yourself. What has better resale value, what's more future proof, Would you rather be stuck with some 1660 ti or stuck with a 2080 rtx. I think the answer is quite clear that the 2080 rtx is the most superior cost effect mining card to date.
If i bought a 1660 ti I would have major buyers remorse I could have bought a better card like a 2080 rtx and have faster ROI
2080 does seem like the sweet spot , 2070 seems not bad either for $489
To me the 2070 is the Best Buy , it has the power of a 1080ti , etc cores and $300 newly less than a 2080 rtx
1300 day payback period is a joke, your card will be worth $200 and obsolete for mining. This would make your card the same age as a 980 ti, selling for $180 on ebay. So your 1,300 day return is $180. Unless their is a rally, which is more then likely to happen.
March 20, 2019, 04:04:55 PM
So according to my findings, no, 1600 series Nvidia GPUs are not significantly better than everything else.
And that is not a claim I ever made. I was pointing out that lunos advice and outlook on things was very one sided to his situation and when you take into account the price of the cards the 1660Ti is a much better choice as a way to get into mining without breaking the bank. I was referring to the price/performance ratio and the payback times involved. No matter what algo you pick, the payback on the 2080 makes it a horrible choice for mining and I stand by that statement.
Not true at all according to whattomine . If your mining at 10 cent watt rate as an average home miner mining ethereum at 30 hashrate at 70 watts and if you use the 2080 rtx to mine zcoin at 3.6 hash rate at 150w. The 2080 rtx actually has a faster pay off period. About 1376 days to payback 1660 ti for $289 for the evga gaming edtion or 1344 payback for the top of the line $780 dollar for evga xc gaming edition. Even faster payoff if you choose the cheaper 2080 rtx gigabytes at $730 (1258 days)
So now you gota ask yourself. What has better resale value, what's more future proof, Would you rather be stuck with some 1660 ti or stuck with a 2080 rtx. I think the answer is quite clear that the 2080 rtx is the most superior cost effect mining card to date.
If i bought a 1660 ti I would have major buyers remorse I could have bought a better card like a 2080 rtx and have faster ROI
To me the 2070 is the Best Buy , it has the power of a 1080ti , etc cores and $300 newly less than a 2080 rtx
March 20, 2019, 03:52:03 PM
So according to my findings, no, 1600 series Nvidia GPUs are not significantly better than everything else.
And that is not a claim I ever made. I was pointing out that lunos advice and outlook on things was very one sided to his situation and when you take into account the price of the cards the 1660Ti is a much better choice as a way to get into mining without breaking the bank. I was referring to the price/performance ratio and the payback times involved. No matter what algo you pick, the payback on the 2080 makes it a horrible choice for mining and I stand by that statement.
Not true at all according to whattomine . If your mining at 10 cent watt rate as an average home miner mining ethereum at 30 hashrate at 70 watts and if you use the 2080 rtx to mine zcoin at 3.6 hash rate at 150w. The 2080 rtx actually has a faster pay off period. About 1376 days to payback 1660 ti for $289 for the evga gaming edtion or 1344 payback for the top of the line $780 dollar for evga xc gaming edition. Even faster payoff if you choose the cheaper 2080 rtx gigabytes at $730 (1258 days)
So now you gota ask yourself. What has better resale value, what's more future proof, Would you rather be stuck with some 1660 ti or stuck with a 2080 rtx. I think the answer is quite clear that the 2080 rtx is the most superior cost effect mining card to date.
If i bought a 1660 ti I would have major buyers remorse I could have bought a better card like a 2080 rtx and have faster ROI
March 20, 2019, 02:19:29 PM
So according to my findings, no, 1600 series Nvidia GPUs are not significantly better than everything else.
And that is not a claim I ever made. I was pointing out that lunos advice and outlook on things was very one sided to his situation and when you take into account the price of the cards the 1660Ti is a much better choice as a way to get into mining without breaking the bank. I was referring to the price/performance ratio and the payback times involved. No matter what algo you pick, the payback on the 2080 makes it a horrible choice for mining and I stand by that statement.
March 20, 2019, 02:01:31 PM
@fanatic26_ and @lunobird
You are both right and you are both wrong.
As I wrote above, core-bound algos scale very well across the nvidia range when it comes to hash/watt and hash/dollar. The differences are minimal.
Now if you throw EThash, CN or algos that are badly optimised into the mix of course your results will vary. These cards aren't using the same memory across the range.
You need to compare apples to apples. And then you'll basically pick your weapon of choice according to your strategy and budget.
So according to my findings, no, 1600 series Nvidia GPUs are not significantly better than everything else.
You are both right and you are both wrong.
As I wrote above, core-bound algos scale very well across the nvidia range when it comes to hash/watt and hash/dollar. The differences are minimal.
Now if you throw EThash, CN or algos that are badly optimised into the mix of course your results will vary. These cards aren't using the same memory across the range.
You need to compare apples to apples. And then you'll basically pick your weapon of choice according to your strategy and budget.
So according to my findings, no, 1600 series Nvidia GPUs are not significantly better than everything else.
March 20, 2019, 10:32:19 AM
I think two steps ahead and focus on whats going to get me the maximum amount of money in a few years of mining and not selling a single coin till we hit next parabolic bull cycle. I always pick out my gpu's based on a rig setup that will allow me to mine the most popular new coins like grin and beam early before asics hit them and I pick hardware that has most efficiency for the long game so i don't get gpu liquidated.
Man you sound so delusional its hilarious
Same here good stuff but is eth going to switch to PROGPOW? What kind of performance will a 470 have in progpow? Rx 400 and 500 eries are cheap right now if they preform well on prog they are a steal.
On Ethereum ProgPoW The RX470 gets about 9.7(stock) at full power(130w TDP). GTX1660ti gets about 15mh/s stock (130w TDP). I've tested both.
March 19, 2019, 06:40:13 PM
I have not seen anything (yet) to indicate that there will be any 1600 series GPUs higher then the 1660 Ti. Since that would lead to competition with the 2000 series I would be surprised if they released one at all.
March 19, 2019, 05:00:59 PM
Seen the grin hashrate for 1660 ti. Pretty pathetic at 3.3 g/s. I assume at 90 watts at best
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-much-of-mining-hashrates-for-gtx-1660ti-5113961
My 2080 rtx does 7.4 g/s and 150 watts.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-much-of-mining-hashrates-for-gtx-1660ti-5113961
My 2080 rtx does 7.4 g/s and 150 watts.
Cuckaroo29 is a GPU focused algo specifically designed to be phased out by next year in favor of the ASIC focused Cukaroo31 algo so if you are looking long term this is not the algo to be focusing on.
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That’s why Grin introduced two proof-of-work algorithms. The primary one is designed to be ASIC friendly and the secondary one ASIC resistant. At launch, the secondary one PoW will represent approximately 90% of the blocks found while the primary one will be roughly 10%. This percentage will evolve such that in two years 100% of the blocks are mined with the primary PoW, thus encouraging ASICs manufacturers to develop a machine for the primary algorithm.
Source: https://blog.blockcypher.com/an-introduction-to-grin-proof-of-work-103aaa9f66ce
Hence the reason why you should get a 2080 rtx now and mine early and get all the meat. The asic boys can have my scraps after they release their miner later at end of year.
Getting in early now is way more profitable than getting in late with more powerful hardware.
Plus I'm not focusing on grin only. Theres tons of algos the 2080 rtx does well at and much more efficient than a 1660 ti.
March 19, 2019, 04:23:44 PM
I think two steps ahead and focus on whats going to get me the maximum amount of money in a few years of mining and not selling a single coin till we hit next parabolic bull cycle. I always pick out my gpu's based on a rig setup that will allow me to mine the most popular new coins like grin and beam early before asics hit them and I pick hardware that has most efficiency for the long game so i don't get gpu liquidated.
Man you sound so delusional its hilarious
Same here good stuff but is eth going to swithc to PROGPOW? What kind of performance will a 470 have in progpow? Rx 400 and 500 eries are cheap right now if they preform well on prog they are a steal.
March 19, 2019, 04:10:38 PM
I think two steps ahead and focus on whats going to get me the maximum amount of money in a few years of mining and not selling a single coin till we hit next parabolic bull cycle. I always pick out my gpu's based on a rig setup that will allow me to mine the most popular new coins like grin and beam early before asics hit them and I pick hardware that has most efficiency for the long game so i don't get gpu liquidated.
Man you sound so delusional its hilarious
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