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legendary
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April 01, 2013, 06:20:20 PM
#65
Did anyone try to add little heatsinks to each of the chips and did it lead to better performance somehow? Maybe more stable overclocking?

Dr. Zhang recommend NOT to add any heatsinks on these chips and saying that will reduce the surface airflow for PCB board

I see the point in this but i wonder if you would put it on following the airflow and not blocking it if the effect wouldnt be the opposite. The air could flow free but has more time to take on the hot temperatures.

I asked this already but didnt get an answer... how is the capability of an avalon for being overclocked? I only read someone experiencing a wall at 300(something) but no info if this is a wall by design or if it could be fixed with better cooling. For example, if one would try, watercooling the single chips.
And is it somehow possible to change clockrates, volts and so on? Only theoretical for the moment because i dont have an avalon yet. But i mean... only 10% more hashingpower would have a big impact. And such a number is easily achievable with normal GPUs too. So im wondering if something is possible there. Of course one would have to be ready to lose the miner when playing with such things.

My past experience from GPU mining tell me: Do not overclock too much, the long term stability of the mining rig is far more important than a small gain in hashing performance, especially if you want one rig to run for a long time (Now we see that BFL is also power hungry, so avalon would at least be around for a year or two)

I had a pair of 5970 overclocked quite high (just 20Mhz below the crash point), undervolted, installed custom cooling device and the best thermal compound I can find (liquid metal), although the GPU temp never goes above 55 degree, all 4 GPUs on both card still died one after another in 1 year. I guess some of the components on the board are just not designed to endure that kind of added load for a sustained long period. For a gaming rig that run once a while it is fine, but for a machine running 24x7 like a server, the stability is the highest priority

I'm considering to put better thermal compound on avalon when summer arrives, but that is a lot of work, when I do it I will post some photos of the other side of the PCB

By the way, my avalon running firmware 0225 shows nice stability, cgminer has been running uninterrupted for days, really a robust and solid product

Do you use a custom PSU, if so which?

I doubt a bit that your cards died because of the overclocking. Im not a pro but at least i believe i learned that overclocking itself only has  very slight negative effect on lifetime. And that only comes from higher temperature. The real threat is overvolting it. Its something with leaking electrons that destroy the circuits or so and make them age. So i always downvolted and overclocked my gpus and they never died. But i didnt use them 24/7 of course. I tend to think that you didnt do anything wrong with undervolting and overclocking and it was because of the fullpower-use all the time.
But like i said im no pro in it... Smiley

I really would like to have an avalon hashing now too... Smiley
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
April 01, 2013, 05:45:40 PM
#64
Did anyone try to add little heatsinks to each of the chips and did it lead to better performance somehow? Maybe more stable overclocking?

Dr. Zhang recommend NOT to add any heatsinks on these chips and saying that will reduce the surface airflow for PCB board

I see the point in this but i wonder if you would put it on following the airflow and not blocking it if the effect wouldnt be the opposite. The air could flow free but has more time to take on the hot temperatures.

I asked this already but didnt get an answer... how is the capability of an avalon for being overclocked? I only read someone experiencing a wall at 300(something) but no info if this is a wall by design or if it could be fixed with better cooling. For example, if one would try, watercooling the single chips.
And is it somehow possible to change clockrates, volts and so on? Only theoretical for the moment because i dont have an avalon yet. But i mean... only 10% more hashingpower would have a big impact. And such a number is easily achievable with normal GPUs too. So im wondering if something is possible there. Of course one would have to be ready to lose the miner when playing with such things.

My past experience from GPU mining tell me: Do not overclock too much, the long term stability of the mining rig is far more important than a small gain in hashing performance, especially if you want one rig to run for a long time (Now we see that BFL is also power hungry, so avalon would at least be around for a year or two)

I had a pair of 5970 overclocked quite high (just 20Mhz below the crash point), undervolted, installed custom cooling device and the best thermal compound I can find (liquid metal), although the GPU temp never goes above 55 degree, all 4 GPUs on both card still died one after another in 1 year. I guess some of the components on the board are just not designed to endure that kind of added load for a sustained long period. For a gaming rig that run once a while it is fine, but for a machine running 24x7 like a server, the stability is the highest priority

I'm considering to put better thermal compound on avalon when summer arrives, but that is a lot of work, when I do it I will post some photos of the other side of the PCB

By the way, my avalon running firmware 0225 shows nice stability, cgminer has been running uninterrupted for days, really a robust and solid product
legendary
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April 01, 2013, 05:23:30 PM
#63
Did anyone try to add little heatsinks to each of the chips and did it lead to better performance somehow? Maybe more stable overclocking?

Dr. Zhang recommend NOT to add any heatsinks on these chips and saying that will reduce the surface airflow for PCB board

I see the point in this but i wonder if you would put it on following the airflow and not blocking it if the effect wouldnt be the opposite. The air could flow free but has more time to take on the hot temperatures.

I asked this already but didnt get an answer... how is the capability of an avalon for being overclocked? I only read someone experiencing a wall at 300(something) but no info if this is a wall by design or if it could be fixed with better cooling. For example, if one would try, watercooling the single chips.
And is it somehow possible to change clockrates, volts and so on? Only theoretical for the moment because i dont have an avalon yet. But i mean... only 10% more hashingpower would have a big impact. And such a number is easily achievable with normal GPUs too. So im wondering if something is possible there. Of course one would have to be ready to lose the miner when playing with such things.
legendary
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April 01, 2013, 12:06:16 PM
#62
NEMA 5 series is rated for 125V maximum.  I'm sure you *could* do it but I wouldn't, personally.  FWIW, one Avalon should mine enough in a day at the current difficulty/exg. rate to pay for the whole 6-20 setup...  Wink

let me just make sure i understand you correctly.

it seems you're saying that Nema 6-20 power cords (connecting the Avalon to the surge protector) should be used together with the Nema 6-20 surge protector you linked to, correct?
sr. member
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EOSABC
April 01, 2013, 08:06:18 AM
#61
Very nice photos Smiley
Thank you for the opportunity to look inside Avalon!
legendary
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Beyond Imagination
March 31, 2013, 10:01:44 PM
#60
Did anyone try to add little heatsinks to each of the chips and did it lead to better performance somehow? Maybe more stable overclocking?

Dr. Zhang recommend NOT to add any heatsinks on these chips and saying that will reduce the surface airflow for PCB board

hi,

here are some info and advise.

about the plastic sheets: please remove them BEFORE mining. we design the case as a part of heatsink, so remove the plastic sheets may help. no need for remove them clean and tidy.

about FAN change: DO NOT change the fans to a low speed model. will cause over heat. DO NOT install extra fans at the rear "fan socket". will cause PSU over heat and nearly useless for module cooling.

about install extra heat-sinks on each avalon chip: please do not do that. there is a air gap between the die and package top, install a heatsink on chip is useless. and will cause overheating. because  the top PCB copper act as a heatsink too. do not cover them.

about water cooling: yes, do it.

I'm interested in opening one of the module's heatsink and have a look at the contacts, but since there are so many small units, it is not as easy as opening a GPU heatsink, I might wait until some time later when outdoor temp rised above 15c. Currently outdoor temp is -5c, I only need to worry about snowflakes  Smiley
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March 31, 2013, 09:46:07 PM
#59
Did anyone try to add little heatsinks to each of the chips and did it lead to better performance somehow? Maybe more stable overclocking?
Official Avalon Wiki strongly discourage doing this.
legendary
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March 31, 2013, 05:21:53 PM
#58
Did anyone try to add little heatsinks to each of the chips and did it lead to better performance somehow? Maybe more stable overclocking?

no one's mentioned doing that yet.

Thats something im wondering about. I read somewhere about people trying to overclock with software and finding a magical wall at a setting of 300(something). I read about plans of oil submerged or water cooling but no real things were someone did such thing. Or if someone were able to overclock it some more. Maybe voltmodding or somehow change the clockrate or something that can be done.
Maybe the reason is only that no one will shut down his machine for testing or dont want to risk the miner.
But i think once the batch 3 aons come in this topic will become more important because the difficulty will be a good chunk higher then.

the only revelation in regards to heatsinking is ngzhang's strong recommendation to leave the case shut as shipped utilizing the case itself as a heatsink and generating positive pressure to help expel heat.  apparently even stacking these things create an even larger block of a heatsink.  not sure i get the concept but they're the experts.
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March 31, 2013, 05:09:38 PM
#57
Did anyone try to add little heatsinks to each of the chips and did it lead to better performance somehow? Maybe more stable overclocking?

no one's mentioned doing that yet.

Thats something im wondering about. I read somewhere about people trying to overclock with software and finding a magical wall at a setting of 300(something). I read about plans of oil submerged or water cooling but no real things were someone did such thing. Or if someone were able to overclock it some more. Maybe voltmodding or somehow change the clockrate or something that can be done.
Maybe the reason is only that no one will shut down his machine for testing or dont want to risk the miner.
But i think once the batch 3 avalons come in this topic will become more important because the difficulty will be a good chunk higher then.
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GCVMMWH
March 31, 2013, 02:33:11 PM
#56

3 hashunit-v1. On left side of hashing unit, just after the fan, I observed lot's of dirt, it means unit has been thoroughly tested for days


I wonder how many BTC's they generate before it is deemed a valid test???
legendary
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March 31, 2013, 02:25:35 PM
#55
Did anyone try to add little heatsinks to each of the chips and did it lead to better performance somehow? Maybe more stable overclocking?

no one's mentioned doing that yet.
legendary
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March 31, 2013, 11:52:30 AM
#54
Did anyone try to add little heatsinks to each of the chips and did it lead to better performance somehow? Maybe more stable overclocking?
donator
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March 31, 2013, 11:34:24 AM
#53
NEMA 5 series is rated for 125V maximum.  I'm sure you *could* do it but I wouldn't, personally.  FWIW, one Avalon should mine enough in a day at the current difficulty/exg. rate to pay for the whole 6-20 setup...  Wink
legendary
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March 31, 2013, 11:30:19 AM
#52
sorry not to be clear, but to save money on cords what i'm looking for is a surge protector that will plug into the Nema 6-20 240V outlet and have 6 or so outlets of the Nema 5-20 style so as to be able to use the power cords supplied by Avalon.

i did google around for this but can't find any sources.
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March 31, 2013, 11:23:01 AM
#51
I saw the first photo of the power plug. I get the end that plugs into the AVALON, but the other end that plugs into the wall is not what I use in my home - USA.

The attached picture is what I have at my home and that doesn't seem compatible with the power cord picture.



does anyone know if its possible to install a 240V outlet with this style of plug?

That's a NEMA 5-20 outlet which is spec'ed for 120V.  To do it properly just use a 6-20 outlet for 240V, it's pretty trivial to wire it up.  See here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector
Ex: http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-5461-W-20-Amp-250-Volt-Receptacle/dp/B0050T2D56/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hi_1


since i want to run 3 Avalons off this one 240V outlet and they come with the Nema 5-20 power cords, i assume there is a surge protector available that has Nema 6-20 plugs?


Edited last post to add link for C13/6-20P power cable.

For power strips, I use this one -
http://internationalconfig.com/icc6.asp?item=60820

It's a bit pricey (~$220 iirc) but you could run 6 Avalons on it safely with enough headroom.
legendary
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March 31, 2013, 11:16:05 AM
#50
I saw the first photo of the power plug. I get the end that plugs into the AVALON, but the other end that plugs into the wall is not what I use in my home - USA.

The attached picture is what I have at my home and that doesn't seem compatible with the power cord picture.



does anyone know if its possible to install a 240V outlet with this style of plug?

That's a NEMA 5-20 outlet which is spec'ed for 120V.  To do it properly just use a 6-20 outlet for 240V, it's pretty trivial to wire it up.  See here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector
Ex: http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-5461-W-20-Amp-250-Volt-Receptacle/dp/B0050T2D56/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hi_1


since i want to run 3 Avalons off this one 240V outlet and they come with the Nema 5-20 power cords, i assume there is a surge protector available that has Nema 6-20 plugs?
donator
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March 31, 2013, 11:11:20 AM
#49
I saw the first photo of the power plug. I get the end that plugs into the AVALON, but the other end that plugs into the wall is not what I use in my home - USA.

The attached picture is what I have at my home and that doesn't seem compatible with the power cord picture.



does anyone know if its possible to install a 240V outlet with this style of plug?

That's a NEMA 5-20 outlet which is spec'ed for 120V.  To do it properly just use a 6-20 outlet for 240V, it's pretty trivial to wire it up.  See here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector

Ex:
http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-5461-W-20-Amp-250-Volt-Receptacle/dp/B0050T2D56/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hi_1
http://www.amazon.com/Lynn-Electronics-C13620P15A-6F-60320-C13-6-Feet/dp/B0093WFT6G/ref=sr_1_4?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1364746864&sr=1-4&keywords=6-20p+c13
legendary
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March 31, 2013, 10:41:52 AM
#48
I saw the first photo of the power plug. I get the end that plugs into the AVALON, but the other end that plugs into the wall is not what I use in my home - USA.

The attached picture is what I have at my home and that doesn't seem compatible with the power cord picture.



does anyone know if its possible to install a 240V outlet with this style of plug?
vip
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March 31, 2013, 09:28:18 AM
#47
Nice one the new picture with the snow.  Cheesy

Poor little Avalon unit, I hope it has recovered.
legendary
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March 19, 2013, 11:32:52 PM
#46
I saw the first photo of the power plug. I get the end that plugs into the AVALON, but the other end that plugs into the wall is not what I use in my home - USA.

The attached picture is what I have at my home and that doesn't seem compatible with the power cord picture.



Mine came with a regular US power cord.  The power cord pictured was not delivered to the US.

It's a regular ATX power supply.  Any IEC power cable will work.

did u ever find out how to solo mine with eloipool?
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