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when there is that much money I think the price of bitcoin will not be able to fall because with that money many will buy bitcoin and will make bitcoin prices go up, even though the price increase is not long at least the price of bitcoin can go up and can wipe out the sell orders and many can benefit.
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Well, without going into too much detail about this, we can see that governments are manipulating the value of your wealth. Bailouts and rescue practices are either hiding the real problems or they are postponing the economic collapse.  Roll Eyes

So tax payers money are used to serve as a safety net for greedy financial institutions and the general public are paying for it. The Banks and the Reserve Banks are part of the problem with the fiat system and the government are protecting them.  Angry

So does this mean they did it without noticing people could question what they have done specially those who work in the financial industry?
I mean, it is in plain view and we are discussing it by now or are we just speculating what is happening and doesnt really know the reason behind all this money just getting out?
Or is there really money?

They could hide it if they want to, right?
Who's government want their people looking at how they are manipulating the market specially in United States where almost every adult needs to be invested.
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You are trying to connect dots which do not connect, FED is printing money all the time.
And as you mentioned the money goes to other investment forms - stocks and bonds , maybe gold. Those big guys dont have easy legal access to BTC.
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Read some prediction article that we are about to break $8500 resistance level soon,anyone feels that the prices will fall this much down even after Bakkt launched?

Or they were manipulating the prices to get bitcoins more cheaper!

On a positive note, during the past two days the Bitcoin dominance went up from 67.1% to 68.6%, which represents a 1.5% increase in the market share. So I would not say that everything was negative for Bitcoin. Cryptocurrency market as a whole went down due to some reason other than Bakkt, but as far as I can see, Bitcoin held its ground for the most part.
I don't really consider dominance increase is good for the bitcoin,it can make impact only if the value is considerable but its less now to bring any positive impact on the prices.Like the TA I read earlier the prices keep falling hope it will stuck at some point soon.
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Read some prediction article that we are about to break $8500 resistance level soon,anyone feels that the prices will fall this much down even after Bakkt launched?

Or they were manipulating the prices to get bitcoins more cheaper!

On a positive note, during the past two days the Bitcoin dominance went up from 67.1% to 68.6%, which represents a 1.5% increase in the market share. So I would not say that everything was negative for Bitcoin. Cryptocurrency market as a whole went down due to some reason other than Bakkt, but as far as I can see, Bitcoin held its ground for the most part.
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Buy $BGL before it's too late!
Read some prediction article that we are about to break $8500 resistance level soon,anyone feels that the prices will fall this much down even after Bakkt launched?

Or they were manipulating the prices to get bitcoins more cheaper!
The chance of manipulative actions coming from big whales who understand the most from this industry is higher, as they wanted to have more accumulate coins inside their wallets before another huge waves to come forward inside the market. Whales are very good controlling emotions and it's not impossible that most of the current movements are just artificial to create panics and shake the whole industry.
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That won't go for too long if they keep printing too much money tho. Like yeah sure dollar is a global reserve thing right now but at the end of the day there is no way dollar could continue to lose value by printing more dollars and then still hope that nations would hold a currency that is constantly losing money on their reserves.

If a country realizes that the dollars they worked hard to save on the reserves worth nothing now, they will start focusing more on Euro and even Yuan if they can just to have a better future on their reserves, if they ever need dollars for something they would change exchange their euro for dollars for that job and then be done with it but not hold it. Hence, dollar needs to hold its value as long as possible .
I believe they are not printing too much money as they already did this 10 years ago, this is from fed's fund to save their country bank's liquidity. If they do some excess printing without telling the international organization they might face a huge problem with international laws. This might be a trap for small investors to make look the market gradually increasing due to the fact that they divided the amount into some smaller amount and inserted to the market. I think they were doing this on great purpose, not just on bank requirements. Something what?
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Read some prediction article that we are about to break $8500 resistance level soon,anyone feels that the prices will fall this much down even after Bakkt launched?

Or they were manipulating the prices to get bitcoins more cheaper!

Articles are one of the biggest manipulators in the crypto market and you quoting them and asking us how we feel about it is a great proof of how big of an impact they have.
They cannot know what the price will do, nobody can, but them saying that they feel this or that way is actually adding their reputation to the mix. So, now it's "nobody knows, but we as a news site predict that... (and hope that you will follow our advice and make this prediction more likely to come to life)."

This printing will have a delay impact on the market. I believe we will see people come to understand it in a few months. This selloff has nothing to do with fiat printing. It has to do with almost no trading volume in the last weeks. 
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Read some prediction article that we are about to break $8500 resistance level soon,anyone feels that the prices will fall this much down even after Bakkt launched?

Or they were manipulating the prices to get bitcoins more cheaper!
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I wouldn't be so drastic as o_e_l_e_o theories, but this is somewhat disappointing for me. They are literally  groping in the dark: this is not what would you expect from a central bank that has been manipulating markets since 10 years!
Haha, fair enough. I'll admit I'm pretty much a perma-bear when it comes to fiat that can be created out of thin air at the whim of a government or a bank. This is especially the case when looking at USD, with spiralling and out of control national debt to pay for ever increasing levels of government spending and Trump jeopardizing the US's biggest trade deals.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what the Fed's final analysis of this "lack of movement of liquidity" is. I still think its concerning that banks can behave so unpredictably that it necessitates the Fed stepping in with billions of dollars of funding to stabilize things, and even more concerning that the Fed don't know why it happened.
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That won't go for too long if they keep printing too much money tho. Like yeah sure dollar is a global reserve thing right now but at the end of the day there is no way dollar could continue to lose value by printing more dollars and then still hope that nations would hold a currency that is constantly losing money on their reserves.

If a country realizes that the dollars they worked hard to save on the reserves worth nothing now, they will start focusing more on Euro and even Yuan if they can just to have a better future on their reserves, if they ever need dollars for something they would change exchange their euro for dollars for that job and then be done with it but not hold it. Hence, dollar needs to hold its value as long as possible .
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Apparently the FED is as puzzled as Bitcointalk.org forum about this move in STIRs.... this is definitely not a good sign.

Sorry again, I cannot link the original article source, as the come behind Bloomberg paywall.


What this indicates is that while the USD is a bad currency, the other fiat currencies are even worse.

Very entertaining video related your very true statement.
HSBC's Bloom Says Dollar Is Best of Bad Bunch
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As long as the US Dollar remains as the reserve currency of the world, the federal reserve can ask the United States treasury to print as much banknotes as they like. Despite the hype surrounding the new influx, the exchange rate for US Dollar went up against other currencies (such as the Euro and the Chinese Yuan) during the past few weeks. The Euro vs USD exchange rate went from 1.12 to 1.10. What this indicates is that while the USD is a bad currency, the other fiat currencies are even worse.

None of the fiat currencies in the world are backed up with any real assets (gold, silver.etc) and all of them are unprotected against inflation. Only Bitcoin is protected against inflation, thanks to the principle of controlled supply. But there are indications that the world is shifting away from fiat currencies. The gold prices are up by 20% so far this year. And Bitcoin is up by more than 200%. And in case the trade war between the US and China worsens, then we'll be witnessing even larger spikes for these assets.
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The nonsense of a permanent of prolonged QE would be the most bullish BTCUSD signal ever.
Bullish bitcoin denominated in dollar, because it would be actually bearish for dollar, rather bullish for bitcoin.

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The Fed's balance sheet was always less than $1 trillion prior to the 2008 crash. Since then it ballooned up to over $4 trillion due to the quantitative easing package, and only in the last couple of years has it started to be reduced. The most recent data (here: https://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/current/) puts it at $3.8 trillion.

Rosengren has previously said he sees no problems with the Fed's balance sheet being so large:
He described the Fed’s post-crisis approach to monetary policy implementation as requiring a larger balance sheet.

Saying that was one thing, but now he is proposing to "permanently expand" the balance sheet even further. He makes no indication as to how much further it should be expanded. Another however many trillion created out of nothing to shore up the government and the banks? Great.

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Printing more money to defend or try to absorb shock in the economy will always do more harm than good because economic Mafias will end up pocketing the money, and the impending crises may not have even be solved. Anyone shorting bitcoin to long shares in the stock exchange may regret their actions.
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Ok,
I found this BBG article.
I cannot link here the source because I think it is paywalled.
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Repo Market's Liquidity Crisis Has Been a Decade in the Making

 
By Liz Capo McCormick, Matthew Boesler and Craig Torres

(Bloomberg) --
It sounds crazy: even National Public Radio is talking about repo rates.

In normal times, not even Wall Street thinks too much about the arcana of short-term money markets.
But over the past week, the Federal Reserve has had to work unusually hard to rein in a key policy rate after overnight repo lending dried up. Suddenly, everyone is asking the same question: what does it mean?
The answer is sobering. Despite assurances by the Fed and others to the contrary, the stress in the market for repurchase agreements, or repos, has exposed some fundamental weaknesses in the nation’s financial system which have been a decade in the making. While they don’t pose a significant problem during good times, the risk is clear: without a permanent fix, sudden cash shortages could lead to broader financial market turmoil in a downturn.

“The machine of liquidity management is just not oiled anymore,” GLMX Chief Executive Officer Glenn Havlicek, who runs a trading platform for repo securities and has four decades of experience in funding markets.

The repo market is important because it serves as the grease that keeps the global capital markets spinning. In a repo, firms borrow cash from each other by putting up securities like Treasuries as collateral. When the agreement expires, the borrower “repurchases” the collateral and returns the cash, though in practice repos are often rolled over day after day.

Hedge funds often use repos to finance purchases of higher-yielding assets, while dealers that are obligated to bid for Treasuries at U.S. debt auctions use them as a way to avoid putting up their own capital.

Participants point the finger at two structural changes that have drained too much cash from the system and made the repo market more prone to seizing up: crisis-era monetary policies and financial regulations designed to curb risk-taking. They contend that those two forces, rather than a mere confluence of technical factors, are what’s really behind this past week’s disruptions.

The first has to do with the unwinding of the Fed’s quantitative easing program, or QE. Simply put, after buying trillions of dollars of bonds to pump cheap money into the banking system, the Fed reversed course and started reducing its holdings (and thus draining cash) in October 2017 as the economy strengthened. It stopped altogether last month.

The problem is that, in reducing the asset side of its ledger, the Fed has also had to shrink its liabilities to balance its balance sheet. Those liabilities consist of currency in circulation, which has naturally increased with the economy, and bank reserves, which have fallen.

Of course, that in itself wouldn’t be enough to cause a scarcity of cash in the banking system since firms in aggregate still have over a trillion dollars in reserves. But because of post-crisis rules such as Dodd-Frank and Basel III, banks have been forced to set aside much of those same reserves to meet the more stringent requirements, putting a strain on the available cash they can use. What’s more, capital constraints have made taking large positions in short-term money markets far less lucrative.

“The Fed wanted the market to restructure to a new equilibrium and institutions to figure out how to fund themselves,” said Julia Coronado, president of Macropolicy Perspectives. But “if you have an excess reserve system, you are by definition a primary source of liquidity. And when you squeeze funding markets, you are usually squeezing hedge funds and other investors that may have to cut positions which can spark broader volatility.”

JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon summed up the conundrum last week, saying that “banks have a tremendous amount of liquidity, but also have a tremendous amount of restraints on how they use that liquidity.”

The swelling U.S. deficit caused by President Donald Trump’s tax cuts hasn’t helped matters. For one, the money that investors and dealers lend to the government in the form of bond purchases takes money out of the banking system. For another, dealers at Treasury auctions have increasingly turned from lenders to borrowers in the repo market to absorb the additional supply. This year, net issuance will reach roughly $1.2 trillion, after $1.3 trillion last year, according to JPMorgan. In 2017, it was less than half that.

Those liquidity constraints came into full view over the past few days when corporate tax payments, big Treasury auctions and maneuvers by financial firms to manage their capital requirements prior to quarter-end drained cash available for repo transactions. The overnight lending rate quickly shot up to 10% and the Fed temporarily lost control of its benchmark rate.

In the past, the Fed has disputed the idea that its balance-sheet unwind left bank reserves in short supply. And at his post-policy news conference on Sept. 18, Fed Chairman Jerome Powell sidestepped questions about whether he felt bank regulations were a catalyst for the market turmoil.

Instead, the Fed has opted for a temporary fix. On Friday, the New York Fed announced a series of overnight and term operations over the next three weeks to boost short-term liquidity. That follows four straight days of repo transactions, something it hasn’t done in a decade.

A number of investors, strategists and at least one former Fed official have come out to warn that more may need to be done.

“Maybe we have gotten some hints that reserves are no longer ample,” said Michael Feroli, JPMorgan’s chief economist. “The longer the Fed goes without making changes, the more often you might have these type of incidences.”

Earlier this year, TD Securities’ Priya Misra predicted the Fed would have to resume its bond purchases as a permanent solution. She says this past week’s events have convinced many of her skeptical clients have come around to the idea. They are now asking her “how much” the Fed will need to buy.

While no decisions have been made, Boston Fed President Eric Rosengren acknowledged last week that permanently expanding the Fed’s balance sheet is one option on the table and the one he personally prefers. (The other two being continued ad-hoc interventions or a so-called standing repo facility, which would make cash loans available on a daily basis.)

Growing the balance sheet might also be the easier one, particularly after the New York Fed stumbled out of the gate as it tried to come to the rescue on Tuesday, says GMLX’s Havlicek.

“The repo market isn’t used to being prime time,” in terms of liquidity management, he said. And, the Fed is “out of practice.”



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The point that it hasn't been necessary since 10 years has no implication whatsoever for financial stability.
I'm not so sure about that. The Fed having to do this to such an extent suggests a lot of banks are not meeting their fractional reserve requirements. Banks are no long funding their own debts with their own deposits, and instead they are relying on the federal reserve to bail them out on a nightly basis. Something has changed recently (we don't know what) to force the federal reserve to come in with $75 billion on a nightly basis to support the banks.

Banks should be able to support themselves. If they are experiencing daily shortfalls, then it can impact on other lending, which can impact on the entire economy. The Fed having to bail them out like this is a bad sign.

I bet this money printing issue with U.S. has a something to do with  countering China's indiscriminate printing of money and has long been accused of currency manipulation by the  U.S. Government. I think it has a noble cause.

Link: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/6146957/China-alarmed-by-US-money-printing.html
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This is really amazing, the Federal Reserve just printed some more toilet paper money and injected it into the financial market and the Bitcoin price takes a 5% nose dive.  Roll Eyes

How gullible are the investors that they would be willing to pull money out of their Bitcoin investments to fund investments in the over inflated stock markets.  Roll Eyes

I think this is just another Bear trap in the making, because we all know what is going to happen on the 23rd of September, when Bakkt is going live!

Let's stay calm and ride this out, because I am definitely not going to sell my coins to greedy scumbags, who are just into Bitcoin for the quick profits.  Angry

Do you think this is a Bear trap? Let's discuss......  Tongue
It is possibly a bear trap since many of you has a lot of bitcoin investments and they want to take an advantage by means of printing more toilet paper money because with that many of investors got panic until they will now sell all their bitcoins. So i do hope that investors should smart enough on how are they going to play with this game.
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It seems counter intuitive because we've made ourselves think that Bitcoin is a hedge against fiat, but in order for that to be true a large portion market participants need to hold the same belief, which is not the case at this moment. Also Bitcoin's own volatility is far bigger than any correlations with fiat markets or politics or any other events - this volatility easily overshadows them. And this volatility is actually the reason why Bitcoin can't be a good hedge at this state - people are trying to avoid a loss on a magnitude of a few percents, with Bitcoin you can lose that value in one minute.
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