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July 30, 2012, 12:54:48 PM
#94
that low amount of taint would suggest to me that it could just be that either pirate or some of his payees shop at said S R destination. Would that also be your take on it?

I never said I proved the address belonged to pirate.

All I've shown is:

    - how some coins going into that address have a very strong pirate flavor (>28%)
    - how the coins currently stored on that address have a non-negligible pirate flavor (around 6 %)

In other words, it's highly likely that pirate has a close business
relationship with the owner of the fat address.

That includes the possibility that he himself is the owner.


I simply mis-spoke on that but am still curious.
Let me ask the same question and replace pirate with 'that address'.  Still curious to hear your take on the assumption to s r activity..
legendary
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July 30, 2012, 12:51:46 PM
#93
I meant the other way... how much is the pirate closure tainting say the receiving addresses of the last 10 transactions (or 10 random transactions since we are getting close to his weekly payout time)?
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July 30, 2012, 12:39:02 PM
#92
One more data point:

The taint for a "SPEND" from the fat address is currently 6.4 %

For example:

0.06495062339675875923524677249543 cea22747487e8a2824566fa362981782871fea50fdfb690a3b63d85bd3189593

This means that the coins currently held at 1DkyBEKt5S2GDtv7aQw6rQepAvnsRyHoYM are
6% tainted by coins that came from coins known to have been owned by pirate at some point.

Another remark: if anyone can find addresses that are known to be owned by pirate
and aren't part of the closure computed in my previous post, please post them (or
send them to me), it would help make the calculation more accurate.




that low amount of taint would suggest to me that it could just be that either pirate or some of his payees shop at said S R destination. Would that also be your take on it?
legendary
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July 30, 2012, 12:35:41 PM
#91
sr. member
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July 30, 2012, 08:33:35 AM
#90
Has anyone on here tried tracking large payments made to/from BTCST? Ponzi or not I'd be interested to see where they go...

+1

Okay, a touch of digging:

Last week, BS&T paid out 26,000 BTC in interest.

i really wonder how anyone can know this.

the reason is, because when i ask for a withdrawal, it comes in exactly the same transaction as the interest payment.

so if someone is due to be paid 100 in interest, but they request a 400 btc withdrawal at the same time, everyone seems to assume they have (500 / 0.07) invested when in reality their balance is much lower.

I was just hinted at this post. This is not at all what is seen on the block chain and what users say.

Bitcoinmax withdrawal from BS&T matches very well with http://blockchain.info/address/19kEo3qmuUdAQb1Q7VZhRwahw5v3NSZCeW?filter=0

The 800 payment last Wednesday can be timed with withdrawal requests shown on the forum. I also was told by BS&T users that they could withdraw at any time, and Bitcoinmax offers withdrawals within 24h, explicitly allowing "withdrawals at any time"! How could the withdrawals be delayed until the next Monday with such promises?

Furthermore, look at the immediate large re-investment on Monday last week. Withdrawal?

One of the inputs to that address (presumably controlled by BTCST) is: http://blockchain.info/address/1PSf86KnLuzM7Ris5kDhTEZwooR3p2iyfV

Which is an output of some mining done by GPUMAX on their private pool:
The following address is managed by GPUMAX.

  • 1PSf86KnLuzM7Ris5kDhTEZwooR3p2iyfV

Sorry it wasn't more interesting. Sad

-pirate

If we trace some of those other inputs they end up here, which seems to be a mixer:
http://blockchain.info/address/1JEbx1x7k2ZukVFYBVidSA3fu2eCTLJ3b2
Which was since empties to here:
http://blockchain.info/address/1ELwS9w4B3vBPt7Mw5Her9GcBbzNMYqhy3
And a lot of those funds ended up here:
http://blockchain.info/address/16cou7Ht6WjTzuFyDBnht9hmvXytg6XdVT

There's also a 2500BTC payout from the "fee" address on the GPUMAX blocks which goes here:
http://blockchain.info/address/1PgxmSTp597CttDGkTAZRinPLDNFam2TTe

Which sent 10000BTC here:
http://blockchain.info/address/12PwokEjewCyxb3Jt19eAsaFXiQZf9T6rq
and 5000BTC here:
http://blockchain.info/address/13imTtV8ULYUwi9okX5bwtFFM2XQnzH7Yb
Which according to this transaction:
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/13212954/ca1c06bddca9723729b840d9a327b03a3920094bf3b01b79583312ee3a3adaf8

Links it to this vanity address here:
http://blockchain.info/address/1Pirate2EW1a89CgrF1KHR9Z5vcWurDxtK

So, noteable linked places with funds stored recently:
http://blockchain.info/address/1h3wA6JHSUrGzUpnVVS1f5iwDy7iHQxk9 (5000BTC)
http://blockchain.info/address/1Epc6YPR3gkNXpAxRRNGPPUyHJ4pdj7nUR (3000BTC)
http://blockchain.info/address/1FUaTPahUCvpCeoLvxBrmtxnq53squNFHF (3500BTC)
http://blockchain.info/address/16cou7Ht6WjTzuFyDBnht9hmvXytg6XdVT (54000BTC)

So whatever he's doing the mixing system is complex, but it's interesting that GPUMax blocks are easily traced into BTCST payouts.
What this needs is someone infinitely more knowledgeable than myself to see how interconnected these addresses really are...
legendary
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July 30, 2012, 07:32:06 AM
#89
Has anyone on here tried tracking large payments made to/from BTCST? Ponzi or not I'd be interested to see where they go...

+1
sr. member
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July 30, 2012, 06:10:19 AM
#88
Has anyone on here tried tracking large payments made to/from BTCST? Ponzi or not I'd be interested to see where they go...
legendary
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July 30, 2012, 04:59:03 AM
#87
I'm surprised they let it be that obvious. Both for their sake (keeping people from knowing the full size) and for customers.

I tried to do something similar for SealsWithClubs just out of curiosity, but got nowhere.  Smiley

I've deposited and withdrawn there several times, but all my deposit and withdraw transactions are dead ends.  I don't know how you did it, but nice job!

Ha, I don't try very hard, but I did use blockchain.info mixer a few times.

legendary
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July 30, 2012, 02:03:24 AM
#86
I'm surprised they let it be that obvious. Both for their sake (keeping people from knowing the full size) and for customers.

I tried to do something similar for SealsWithClubs just out of curiosity, but got nowhere.  Smiley

I've deposited and withdrawn there several times, but all my deposit and withdraw transactions are dead ends.  I don't know how you did it, but nice job!
legendary
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July 30, 2012, 01:24:06 AM
#85
http://whois.domaintools.com/1dkybekt5s2gdtv7aqw6rqepavnsryhoym.com

Creation date: 23 Jun 2012 17:44:00

That was 1 month after someone posted a thread about that address, so I would say it was someone unrelated with SR who registered the domain...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/very-rich-address-82952
legendary
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July 30, 2012, 01:17:07 AM
#84
I'm surprised they let it be that obvious. Both for their sake (keeping people from knowing the full size) and for customers.

Who says it isn't on purpose?

Not me. I think they know what they are doing. I'm just surprised that's what they choose to do.

I never said that Wink.  Also the .com seems to indicate it is on purpose.
legendary
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July 30, 2012, 01:14:08 AM
#83
The Silk Road scam was on the 4/20 sale. So I would expect a timeframe between April 10 and April 25.
If I have a couple hours tomorrow I'll visit SR forums and digg that info.
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July 30, 2012, 01:13:31 AM
#82
I'm surprised they let it be that obvious. Both for their sake (keeping people from knowing the full size) and for customers.

Who says it isn't on purpose?

Not me. I think they know what they are doing. I'm just surprised that's what they choose to do.
legendary
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July 30, 2012, 01:07:27 AM
#81
Shoud I be suprised that the wold's largest bitcoin address is linked to silk road?

I'm not.  I remember somebody already having said that he traced his Silk Road deposit directly to the large address.  This just confirms it for me.

I've been looking at the huge list of transactions to and from the Silk Road wallet, trying to see how they can be making so much, comparing the amount they're able to stash in the large address with the throughput of the wallet, and found:

between Fri Jul  6 20:29:49 2012 and Tue Jul 10 16:26:45 2012 there was  63142.39 in and  58582.22 out;  8000 got stashed in big address

between Tue Jul 10 16:26:45 2012 and Wed Jul 11 18:40:54 2012 there was  26326.63 in and  18640.54 out;  7000 got stashed in big address

between Wed Jul 11 18:40:54 2012 and Thu Jul 12 05:21:21 2012 there was  11764.01 in and   4044.89 out;  7000 got stashed in big address

between Thu Jul 12 05:21:21 2012 and Wed Jul 25 19:32:10 2012 there was 212223.51 in and 203620.82 out; 10000 got stashed in big address

between Wed Jul 25 19:49:16 2012 and Fri Jul 27 18:31:12 2012 there was  36245.63 in and  30816.23 out;  6000 got stashed in big address

i.e. nothing very consistent.  I was hoping to see that a fixed percentage of the throughput was being stashed away, which would make sense if it was commission they were charging.  Probably they're just moving excess coins to cold storage on an ad hoc basis to keep them safe.  It doesn't necessarily represent "profits", just coins they're holding which aren't likely to be needed soon.  The majority of it could well belong to their customers, just sitting around in customer accounts waiting to be spent or withdrawn.

Does anyone remember when the big Silk Road scam happened?  One of their big traders had a "sale" and ended up running off with everyone's money, but when?

Side note: it might not be wise to trust me too much; what if I'd actually sent coins to Pirate?

Luckily, the methods used were fairly scientific, and anyone can replicate them.

But if you had sent them to pirate, the address would be in the "pirate cluster" of addresses.  There are 'only' 1138 addresses in his cluster at the moment.  He once posted that 1PSf86KnLuzM7Ris5kDhTEZwooR3p2iyfV is in the gpumax wallet.  From that znort's code finds 1138 addresses from his live wallet, from which the weekly interest payments are made.
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July 30, 2012, 01:03:40 AM
#80
Side note: it might not be wise to trust me too much; what if I'd actually sent coins to Pirate?

Luckily, the methods used were fairly scientific, and anyone can replicate them.
legendary
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July 30, 2012, 12:58:35 AM
#79
I'm surprised they let it be that obvious. Both for their sake (keeping people from knowing the full size) and for customers.

Who says it isn't on purpose?
legendary
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July 30, 2012, 12:56:14 AM
#78
I'm surprised they let it be that obvious. Both for their sake (keeping people from knowing the full size) and for customers.
legendary
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July 30, 2012, 12:27:38 AM
#77
Shoud I be suprised that the wold's largest bitcoin address is linked to silk road?

Surprised? No.

Scared? Yes.
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July 30, 2012, 12:26:10 AM
#76
Your payment has moved.  I'll see what I can find out from the blockchain.

According to znort's blockparser code, 1Q6nyjSQ79AAw67xAGHgXxXHRj9erLLqhD is now provably in the same wallet as 24550 other addresses.  I used that list to find whether there was any connection between these addresses and the large 1Dky... address.  There have been 86701 inputs and outputs to/from these 24k addresses, all since 18th June.  It seems the Silk Road wallet must have been reset relatively recently, or we'd see older transactions in the list.

Here's your 0.001 BTC being grouped with a few other silkroad addresses:
  https://blockchain.info/tx-index/13896290

Notice that 1AVMrqGmoJ7Jpjh7FdbHnDwK34VBxtBCcC is an input to the same transaction.  That means that both your deposit address and 1AVMrqGmoJ7Jpjh7FdbHnDwK34VBxtBCcC are in the same wallet - silk road's wallet.

Then look at this transaction:
  http://blockchain.info/tx-index/11928355

It's a big payment to the mystery large address.  1AVMrqGmoJ7Jpjh7FdbHnDwK34VBxtBCcC is one of the contributors.

The most recent two deposits into 1Dky... were also from address on the list of 24k silk road addresses obtained using znort's code.

I think that's pretty conclusive proof that the large address is related to Silk Road.

Wow! Thanks for this post.

I'm worried worried for those sending bitcoins to SR, considering the inevitable rise of tools like these. A deterministic wallet would could eliminate a lot of risk by analysis.
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July 30, 2012, 12:18:17 AM
#75
Shoud I be suprised that the wold's largest bitcoin address is linked to silk road?
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