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Topic: [20 gh] NMCBit pool 3% fee prop 6.6% PPS - page 7. (Read 63693 times)

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November 04, 2011, 01:05:45 PM
I have created a new wallet (no one broke in something is screwy with the wallet) and transferred 3000 nmc at block 26196 so wait 6 blocks then hit instant payout.
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November 04, 2011, 12:49:06 PM
Not enough namecoins, Davinci in the Bahamas....

Put 1 & 2 together.....

He skipped town and is living a life of luxury in the Bahamas at our 'Namecoin'  expense !

 Grin j/k Davinci

We've had that issue before, 1 of the wallets was disconnected back then I believe, no biggie

Happy anniversary Davinci, enjoy the Bahamas !

Brat

Yeah namecoins at 0.012 BTC each. LOL I'm rich!

Some sort of strange transaction occured with my namecoin wallet not sure what it is.


    {
        "account" : "",
        "address" : "NKPpHo9DGjWnvcdPsonHTC9oQGoQ5Wy46o",
        "category" : "send",
        "amount" : -7428.31923342,
        "fee" : 2641.77347705,
        "confirmations" : 3125,
        "txid" : "912066576715c131e1cea6dab0ebbfc8e15289a57775c6e0208d28d0a5a4c6f3",
        "time" : 1319134234
    },


Looking into it...
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November 03, 2011, 07:05:36 PM
Not enough namecoins, Davinci in the Bahamas....

Put 1 & 2 together.....

He skipped town and is living a life of luxury in the Bahamas at our 'Namecoin'  expense !

 Grin j/k Davinci

We've had that issue before, 1 of the wallets was disconnected back then I believe, no biggie

Happy anniversary Davinci, enjoy the Bahamas !

Brat
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November 03, 2011, 05:55:45 PM
I am leaving to Bahamas in the morning So lets hope nothing else goes wrong until I get there and find internet access.
Don't Say that! Slush said he would be gone on vacation once and the DDOS attacks commenced.

Also When I click Instant Payout on NameCoin it says the pool coin balance is too low, and to contact you.  I am only trying to get 6 or so NMC.
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November 03, 2011, 06:48:48 AM
I am leaving to Bahamas in the morning So lets hope nothing else goes wrong until I get there and find internet access.
I thought the whole point in going somewhere tropical, was to escape technology Wink
Enjoy the trip (bastard....lol)

if i could i would say home and work on the web site, but my wife would kill me as its our 13th anniversary.   should be fun but i like what I'm doing for nmcbit.com.

BTW i'm on my ipad posting this on the airplane and checking nmcbit.com is ok. Smiley
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November 03, 2011, 02:27:49 AM
I am leaving to Bahamas in the morning So lets hope nothing else goes wrong until I get there and find internet access.
I thought the whole point in going somewhere tropical, was to escape technology Wink
Enjoy the trip (bastard....lol)
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November 02, 2011, 08:40:47 PM
Well the problem is with deleting users, if a user is deleted before all payouts are made the system stopped working.  Not only that the sums are not right and its a mess to clean up back there.  

Point is it will be several more hours before I get the balance updates up and running.   Also today it true that "when it rains it pours" as we had outages several times because bitcoind lost connection to the network for some unknown reason several times during the day and thus caused that orphaned block on nmc side.

Anyhow I got bitcoind fixed and we are good to go.

Davinci

  No worries m8, I did not post about it, though I noticed right away, because I am very confident in your capabilities.

  Aye, slowly merging some miners back over to ya.

  Cheers


  P.S Ditch the friggin prop all them big boys hopping makes me twitch.....
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November 02, 2011, 08:38:30 PM
Balance updates all patched up let me know if there are any issues.

I am leaving to Bahamas in the morning So lets hope nothing else goes wrong until I get there and find internet access.

BTW:  Deleting workers is disabled for now I can code in a permanent solution.
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November 02, 2011, 05:06:52 PM
Well the problem is with deleting users, if a user is deleted before all payouts are made the system stopped working.  Not only that the sums are not right and its a mess to clean up back there. 

Point is it will be several more hours before I get the balance updates up and running.   Also today it true that "when it rains it pours" as we had outages several times because bitcoind lost connection to the network for some unknown reason several times during the day and thus caused that orphaned block on nmc side.

Anyhow I got bitcoind fixed and we are good to go.

Davinci
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November 02, 2011, 10:16:47 AM
Still working on it but turns out no one got paid for that block.

  Aye, I can verify that. ;p  No biggie. Have you finished troubleshooting? I have been unable to keep a steady connection since last night.
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November 02, 2011, 08:18:07 AM
Still working on it but turns out no one got paid for that block.
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November 02, 2011, 08:09:22 AM
Hey Davinci,

any problems with rewarding the BTC-pps on the last round ?

My balance hasn't gone up even though there's no (*) behind the last BTC block and it's been well over 5 hours ago since the round was concluded

Thanks

Brat

Never mind, it just showed up in my balance  Grin edit: it appears this was for the last  block, so still no payment for this block:

2011-11-02 02:23:54   1,922,701   38   20:28:11 hours

So I checked it and my jaw dropped you are correct you where not paid!  Your shares are in the db you did 20979 shares and 44 rejects.  Not sure how this failed as there are 2 tests to insure that everyone gets paid and they failed.
I have to stop payouts until this is debugged.   You will get paid for those shares thanks for pointing it out.
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November 02, 2011, 07:55:52 AM
Hey Davinci,

any problems with rewarding the BTC-pps on the last round ?

My balance hasn't gone up even though there's no (*) behind the last BTC block and it's been well over 5 hours ago since the round was concluded

Thanks

Brat

Never mind, it just showed up in my balance  Grin edit: it appears this was for the last  block, so still no payment for this block:

2011-11-02 02:23:54   1,922,701   38   20:28:11 hours

What is your username I will check.

If the poolhoppers are going to hop you, they're gonna hop the prop side.

So any changes to the pps side would be irrelevent to hoppers.

But i'm not an expert in these kinds of things, just want to brainstorm on how to reduce that 7% pps fee, that's all.

You've done a lot of work recently so don't let me put more on your plate.

I can implement it but it will add a new dimension to hopping as hoppers can hop the highest smpps.  More options means more miners and I will exclude transaction fees from smpps that will be more revenue.  You will then get that 7% back because there is no risk to me your take on all the risk.  Personally PPS is the best way to go because it insures the pool is working to maximize it's block find rate at all times as it's like I am paying you for your hashing power and I must use it the most efficient way possible.
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November 02, 2011, 02:40:58 AM
Hey Davinci,

any problems with rewarding the BTC-pps on the last round ?

My balance hasn't gone up even though there's no (*) behind the last BTC block and it's been well over 5 hours ago since the round was concluded

Thanks

Brat

Never mind, it just showed up in my balance  Grin edit: it appears this was for the last  block, so still no payment for this block:

2011-11-02 02:23:54   1,922,701   38   20:28:11 hours
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November 02, 2011, 12:10:43 AM

Well then maybe I will implement smpps as well but it does not save you from pool hoppers as they can jump on when the smpps is high and jump away when it's low.  To be honest I am not sure how it's implemented but if I where to guess I would start at even money PPS and zero reserves if there was good block like 50% dif then there would be 50% in the smpps reserves.  If there where string of bad blocks and the reserves are over a set limit per smpps worker it would increase the pps by some percentage point.  If there where string of bad blocks cleaning out the reserves and making it go negative smpps would go down until it was not lower than current PPS.

That would be my guess but looking at it from that point of view it's no different than proportional for a miner staying at one pool.  Thus it would be advantagous to jump away once smpps is low.

Unless I am missing something.

If the poolhoppers are going to hop you, they're gonna hop the prop side.

So any changes to the pps side would be irrelevent to hoppers.

But i'm not an expert in these kinds of things, just want to brainstorm on how to reduce that 7% pps fee, that's all.

You've done a lot of work recently so don't let me put more on your plate.
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November 02, 2011, 12:08:41 AM
I have enabled it try it now.  My time out is time=23.661 ms from my house.
I actually have a lower PING to you, than the other Pool I used......

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
coinserver4.nmcbit.com
Reply from 107.20.142.218: bytes=32 time=79ms TTL=51
Reply from 107.20.142.218: bytes=32 time=86ms TTL=51
Reply from 107.20.142.218: bytes=32 time=81ms TTL=51
Reply from 107.20.142.218: bytes=32 time=76ms TTL=51

Ping statistics for 107.20.142.218:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 76ms, Maximum = 86ms, Average = 80ms
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
My 'other' Pool (repost from previous page)
Reply from 1xx.x0.xx.1xx: bytes=32 time=94ms TTL=55
Reply from 1xx.x0.xx.1xx: bytes=32 time=91ms TTL=55
Reply from 1xx.x0.xx.1xx: bytes=32 time=95ms TTL=55
Reply from 1xx.x0.xx.1xx: bytes=32 time=89ms TTL=55

Ping statistics for 1xx.x0.xx.1xx:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 89ms, Maximum = 95ms, Average = 92ms



Rats! I was hoping that would explain it.
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November 02, 2011, 12:07:51 AM
Ahh, I may be using the wrong term - I was under the impression that SMPSS all but removed variation.  Such as Luke-Jr's pool.

No it is just different meanings for the word variance.

You can have value variance.  Different shares have different values.  PROP is the worst.  Short block = high value per share.  Long block = low value per share.  That variance is what makes pool hopping profitable (at the expense of 24/7 miners).  Remember mining is a zero sum game.  If someone is coming out ahead then someone else is coming out behind.

You can also have payout variance.  The timing of payouts (not value varies).  With SMPPS each share is worth the same but it payouts may have variance is size and timing.

        Value Variance     Payout Variance
PROP    HIGH                    HIGH
SMPPS  LOW                    LOW
PPS      LOW                    LOW


Well then maybe I will implement smpps as well but it does not save you from pool hoppers as they can jump on when the smpps is high and jump away when it's low.  To be honest I am not sure how it's implemented but if I where to guess I would start at even money PPS and zero reserves if there was good block like 50% dif then there would be 50% in the smpps reserves.  If there where string of bad blocks and the reserves are over a set limit per smpps worker it would increase the pps by some percentage point.  If there where string of bad blocks cleaning out the reserves and making it go negative smpps would go down until it was not lower than current PPS.

That would be my guess but looking at it from that point of view it's no different than proportional for a miner staying at one pool.  Thus it would be advantagous to jump away once smpps is low.

Unless I am missing something.
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November 01, 2011, 11:22:44 PM
NMCBIT has upgraded to Merged Mine Version of PoolServerJ.

Shadders has identified an issue with cgminer
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.597203
I would like to let everyone know how I have chosen to handle the partial-stales created by cgminer.
NMCBIT.COM will not count the partial-stales mostly caused by cgminer for now, however, once the issue gets fix if it's not fixed already I will then be counting the partial stales as valid for the NMC shares only and showing up as a stale on BTC shares.

This will motivate miners to upgrade if they wish to continue Merged Mining.
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November 01, 2011, 08:31:04 PM
Ahh, I may be using the wrong term - I was under the impression that SMPSS all but removed variation.  Such as Luke-Jr's pool.

No it is just different meanings for the word variance.

You can have value variance.  Different shares have different values.  PROP is the worst.  Short block = high value per share.  Long block = low value per share.  That variance is what makes pool hopping profitable (at the expense of 24/7 miners).  Remember mining is a zero sum game.  If someone is coming out ahead then someone else is coming out behind.

You can also have payout variance.  The timing of payouts (not value varies).  With SMPPS each share is worth the same but it payouts may have variance is size and timing.

        Value Variance     Payout Variance
PROP    HIGH                    HIGH
SMPPS  LOW                    LOW
PPS      LOW                    LOW

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November 01, 2011, 08:17:47 PM
PROP = I have too many Bitcoins I enjoy being robbed blind by poolhoppers (speaking as an ex-poolhopper).
LOL.... Nice one.

It's like the jelous boyfriend who is actually the one cheating on his girlfriend....hehe....not the other way around.
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