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Terrorism? there have been over 1500 shootings in Chicago this year Far exceeding any "Mass shooting" this year.....That's terrprism

maybe they were just defending themselves, exercising their right guaranteed by the constitution Grin

No matter if they are Gang bangers killing each other or a white boy shooting up a walmart they are all terrorists. Whats the solution?

You have gang bangers who buy the guns illegally and you have the white boys shooting up walmarts with Legally bought guns but have in the past shown indicators of their future potential as maniacs.

Get rid of the guns? Then only the criminals will be armed.

nope, gang kids killing each other is not terrorism. it's another problem, but it is not terrorism. terrorism has political motivations. it's called terrorism cause they want to terrorize people, innocents, the message is "no one is safe, it can happen anytime, anywhere".

When a gang banger opens fire in the city trying to kill a rival gang member innocent people are all around at the time terrorizing them. now multiply that times over 1500 shootings and it has the whole city terrorized as to when the next shooting will occur and if they will be a target. Thats terrorism. these cities with "Mass shootings" are terrorized for a short period of time and life goes on but in Chicago it's every day.

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Quote from: otrkid1970 on August 05, 2019, 03:47:34 PM

Quote from: vladimirhf on August 05, 2019, 03:42:25 PM

Quote from: otrkid1970 on August 05, 2019, 03:33:28 PM

Terrorism? there have been over 1500 shootings in Chicago this year Far exceeding any "Mass shooting" this year.....That's terrprism

maybe they were just defending themselves, exercising their right guaranteed by the constitution Grin

No matter if they are Gang bangers killing each other or a white boy shooting up a walmart they are all terrorists. Whats the solution?

You have gang bangers who buy the guns illegally and you have the white boys shooting up walmarts with Legally bought guns but have in the past shown indicators of their future potential as maniacs.

Get rid of the guns? Then only the criminals will be armed.

nope, gang kids killing each other is not terrorism. it's another problem, but it is not terrorism. terrorism has political motivations. it's called terrorism cause they want to terrorize people, innocents, the message is "no one is safe, it can happen anytime, anywhere".

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Quote from: TECSHARE on August 04, 2019, 05:07:07 PM

I wasn't aware it was a requirement to be sick to consume medication.

yes it is.

Quote from: TECSHARE on August 04, 2019, 05:07:07 PM

The fact is the USA is the most medicated nation on Earth. Everyone wants to pretend this is not a factor, instead opting for the personification of inanimate objects, blaming them for the acts of mass shooters, the majority of which are on some kind of psychotropic drug with the known side effects of suicidal and homicidal ideation.

well, mass stabbing is a little harder to perform, but you're partially right, it's not only the guns, it's also the violent, racist culture.

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Quote from: vladimirhf on August 05, 2019, 03:42:25 PM

Quote from: otrkid1970 on August 05, 2019, 03:33:28 PM

Terrorism? there have been over 1500 shootings in Chicago this year Far exceeding any "Mass shooting" this year.....That's terrprism

maybe they were just defending themselves, exercising their right guaranteed by the constitution Grin

No matter if they are Gang bangers killing each other or a white boy shooting up a walmart they are all terrorists. Whats the solution?

You have gang bangers who buy the guns illegally and you have the white boys shooting up walmarts with Legally bought guns but have in the past shown indicators of their future potential as maniacs.

Get rid of the guns? Then only the criminals will be armed.

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Quote from: otrkid1970 on August 05, 2019, 03:33:28 PM

Terrorism? there have been over 1500 shootings in Chicago this year Far exceeding any "Mass shooting" this year.....That's terrprism

maybe they were just defending themselves, exercising their right guaranteed by the constitution Grin

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Quote from: vladimirhf on August 05, 2019, 03:30:00 PM

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There was 40 people shit in Chiicago this weekend alone i think 3 Died. The shootings involved more than 4 people at a time which justifies it as a mass shooting.

OK, so you heard about it... so what's the problem? Like I said, gang violence happens in many places across the country on a daily basis. National newspapers don't want to print "X People Shot in Gang-Related Incident" every day. I mean yes, of course its a problem, everybody's known about it since the 1980s. What do you propose the solution is?

20 people dying all at the same time is a pretty big fucking deal. Even if it happened in Chicago, damn straight it would be on the national news.

if you are in a gang you are most likely to die. mass shooting of innocents is TERRORISM, that's the difference.

Terrorism? there have been over 1500 shootings in Chicago this year Far exceeding any "Mass shooting" this year.....That's terrprism

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Quote from: otrkid1970 on August 05, 2019, 10:10:34 AM

There was 40 people shit in Chiicago this weekend alone i think 3 Died. The shootings involved more than 4 people at a time which justifies it as a mass shooting.

OK, so you heard about it... so what's the problem? Like I said, gang violence happens in many places across the country on a daily basis. National newspapers don't want to print "X People Shot in Gang-Related Incident" every day. I mean yes, of course its a problem, everybody's known about it since the 1980s. What do you propose the solution is?

20 people dying all at the same time is a pretty big fucking deal. Even if it happened in Chicago, damn straight it would be on the national news.

if you are in a gang you are most likely to die. mass shooting of innocents is TERRORISM, that's the difference.

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Quote from: nutildah on August 05, 2019, 12:01:11 PM

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on August 05, 2019, 11:22:34 AM

Gun violence is much worse in states/areas with strict gun control laws and the number killed in these areas are many magnitude larger than all gun deaths in mass shootings.

Its not though. There's a pretty clear correlation between the leniency of gun laws and gun death rates:

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/scorecard/

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on August 05, 2019, 11:22:34 AM

The shooting in TX was stopped/slowed down by a citizen with a legal gun— if not for this hero, the number of deaths would likely have been higher.

Police were on the scene 6 minutes after the first shots were fired. I'd like to see your source -- haven't read that anywhere. I'd be quite surprised if Walmart didn't have an armed guard there, but perhaps that's the case.

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on August 05, 2019, 11:22:34 AM

The underlying problem is untreated mental illness. It is estimated that there are a million people in the US in various communities in who, several decades ago would be treated in state Mental facilities/hospitals and it is estimated that approximately half are receiving treatment.

I agree with you here. But I also think part of the problem is the ready access mentally ill people have to weapons designed to inflict mass casualties.

Except your little website is akin to saying "People who have pools are more likely to drown." or "People who drive cars are more likely to have an automobile accident." It is not a legitimate metric. Also, you will notice it is "gun deaths", another slick little trick anti-rights pushers try to use to lump in all defensive use, suicides, etc into statistics to inflate them. More people are killed every year with blunt objects than with "assault rifles" even though an assault rifle is a fully automatic rifle, not just a black rifle that looks scary. All of the states with the most strict gun control laws have the biggest problems with firearm homicides.

Six minutes is a long time. Of course you haven't read it anywhere. You only consume pasteurized and opinion piece media that filters your reality for you so you never have to experience any mild form of cognitive dissonance by being forced to consider ideas that conflict with your beliefs. It doesn't fit the "guns are bad" narrative so of course it is not being reported. Firearms aren't designed to cause mass casualties any more than a lighter is designed to burn down mass amounts of buildings. It is a tool, and it does what the person behind it makes it do.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on August 04, 2019, 04:14:09 AM

This is a really big tragedy but I can't understand something.
Every time after these tragedies, the issue of arms purchases begins to be discussed, and nothing ever changes, everything remains the same.
How is that possible?
What has to happen that finally the very liberal laws in America about buying guns start to change?
How many people have yet to die in tragedies like this?

One of the big things that people who are really for gun rights in the US say is that while these mass shootings are horrible, they're not the majority of crime in the US -- they're probably only around 1 percent of all crime in the US.

There also has been no tried and true way to even eliminate these mass shootings -- as researches have concluded that the only possible solution would be to ban 'assault rifles' and all that does is lower the death-count during these tragedies. If people are to admit that lowering the deathcount is an OKAY conclusion, then that's fine -- but don't expect these shootings to go away.

It's a very tough topic on both sides here, as OBVIOUSLY neither side wants people to die -- but one side doesn't think they should have to give up their firearms due to crazy people abusing freedoms to kill people -- and the other side feels the only solution is to limit the availability of these guns to regular everyday Americans.

It's a very tough issue in the US and it's not something that can be solved by another countries model. Because as these shootings are so rare, it's even hard to find solutions statistical speaking.

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Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on August 05, 2019, 11:22:34 AM

Gun violence is much worse in states/areas with strict gun control laws and the number killed in these areas are many magnitude larger than all gun deaths in mass shootings.

Its not though. There's a pretty clear correlation between the leniency of gun laws and gun death rates:

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/scorecard/

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on August 05, 2019, 11:22:34 AM

The shooting in TX was stopped/slowed down by a citizen with a legal gun— if not for this hero, the number of deaths would likely have been higher.

Police were on the scene 6 minutes after the first shots were fired. I'd like to see your source -- haven't read that anywhere. I'd be quite surprised if Walmart didn't have an armed guard there, but perhaps that's the case.

Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on August 05, 2019, 11:22:34 AM

The underlying problem is untreated mental illness. It is estimated that there are a million people in the US in various communities in who, several decades ago would be treated in state Mental facilities/hospitals and it is estimated that approximately half are receiving treatment.

I agree with you here. But I also think part of the problem is the ready access mentally ill people have to weapons designed to inflict mass casualties.

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Gun violence is much worse in states/areas with strict gun control laws and the number killed in these areas are many magnitude larger than all gun deaths in mass shootings. The shooting in TX was stopped/slowed down by a citizen with a legal gun— if not for this hero, the number of deaths would likely have been higher.

The underlying problem is untreated mental illness. It is estimated that there are a million people in the US in various communities in who, several decades ago would be treated in state Mental facilities/hospitals and it is estimated that approximately half are receiving treatment.

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Quote from: otrkid1970 on August 05, 2019, 10:10:34 AM

There was 40 people shit in Chiicago this weekend alone i think 3 Died. The shootings involved more than 4 people at a time which justifies it as a mass shooting.

OK, so you heard about it... so what's the problem? Like I said, gang violence happens in many places across the country on a daily basis. National newspapers don't want to print "X People Shot in Gang-Related Incident" every day. I mean yes, of course its a problem, everybody's known about it since the 1980s. What do you propose the solution is?

20 people dying all at the same time is a pretty big fucking deal. Even if it happened in Chicago, damn straight it would be on the national news.

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Quote from: nutildah on August 05, 2019, 09:25:51 AM

Quote from: otrkid1970 on August 05, 2019, 07:47:42 AM

There are mass shootings in Chicago every week....this never gets headlines like these other mass shootings.

There's not though. Like Los Angeles or Detroit or NYC they are usually 1 or 2 people shot at the same time. Of course it happens far too often, and when multiple deaths happen we do hear about it, especially if you live in Chicago.

This year in Chicago there's never been more than 2 deaths in the same incident:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-tracker-htmlstory.html

Gang violence is rather commonplace and happens every day. Someone shooting up a Walmart and killing 20 people doesn't.

There was 40 people shit in Chiicago this weekend alone i think 3 Died. The shootings involved more than 4 people at a time which justifies it as a mass shooting.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on August 04, 2019, 04:14:09 AM

This is a really big tragedy but I can't understand something.
Every time after these tragedies, the issue of arms purchases begins to be discussed, and nothing ever changes, everything remains the same.
How is that possible?
What has to happen that finally the very liberal laws in America about buying guns start to change?
How many people have yet to die in tragedies like this?

I thought Obama was too careful, handling such a serious matter with kid's glove. It is now the turn of a business man Trump, nothing has changed. Some conflicting things I dont understand when a white guy with such a rampage killing in a place of 80% Latino. Maybe America needs to be careful how they treat racial disparity in the social media. Not everyone will be able to handle it very well with guns in their hands.

It's very complicate issue for people in America, I think.
It's part of their culture, I believe and it's also their way of life.
They feel more secure with their weapons and this right is guaranteed by the constitution.
More weapons again means more violence, and so again in the circle of new arms purchases and more violence.

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Quote from: otrkid1970 on August 05, 2019, 07:47:42 AM

There are mass shootings in Chicago every week....this never gets headlines like these other mass shootings.

There's not though. Like Los Angeles or Detroit or NYC they are usually 1 or 2 people shot at the same time. Of course it happens far too often, and when multiple deaths happen we do hear about it, especially if you live in Chicago.

This year in Chicago there's never been more than 2 deaths in the same incident:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-tracker-htmlstory.html

Gang violence is rather commonplace and happens every day. Someone shooting up a Walmart and killing 20 people doesn't.

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There are mass shootings in Chicago every week....this never gets headlines like these other mass shootings.

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Quote from: nutildah on August 04, 2019, 01:21:18 AM

Those who aren't from the U.S. -- what are your opinions on these seemingly constant gun massacres in America? What goes through your head every time you see a headline or read a news article like this one? I'm genuinely curious.

I qualify to answer this even if half the other retarded cunts can't read and are answering a question that wasn't asked of them...

I feel sorry for the kids, the kids who are forced to endure "active shooter drills" no fucking child should ever have to be subjected to something so unnecessary. No fucking child should be scared for their life at school in a civilized country.

I think you Muricans need MOAR GUNS, I mean if every man women and child (over 9) was armed with military hardware just think of how many fewer people would die, you know like the rest of the developed world does.

But hey everyone has got "thoughts and prayers" I might be an insensitive twat but I now laugh out loud when I hear anyone say "our thoughts and prayers..."

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Quote from: robbylove on August 04, 2019, 07:11:54 PM

Does the mega push for black abortions and black on black crimes matter? My television cares about dead people only when they are not from the Black Ghettos. Tens of thousands dead and no one cares. Millions of black babies aborted, no one cares.

Sad for the people, but 2A4Ever.

Only Trump says it matters.

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I think the problem stems from wealth inequality. When people are abused by corporations and capitalists they become resentful of society and these types of events are bound to happen. We need to make sure everyone has a good life with all their basic needs met.

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