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legendary
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By the way, I just built your cables. Hopefully they do the trick, and should be in the mail tomorrow.

yeah  I am going to use them and try to see what happens to the 2980 I am running.

I am also going to test one of these 2000w boards as someone was kind enough to send me one.



legendary
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By the way, I just built your cables. Hopefully they do the trick, and should be in the mail tomorrow.
legendary
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I decided not to buy the 2000 watt boards from you because I can not justify it economically.

I have 4   2980 ibm psus with 4 boards from j4bberwock

No one else makes this break out board.

The 2980 psu is by far the most efficient of all these psus.  



So even though these boards seem superior to j4bberwock  2880/2980 board

which I have now managed blacken the jacks.  Buying these boards mean I do not get to use my four  2980 psus.

I felt I wanted to explain this more clearly so that others do not have my issue which is the most efficient server psu intel 2980 using boards that are not quite good enough for an avalon 6.


The 2880/2980 boards should be good enough for the s-7 since an s-7 jack is under 150 dc watts.  the avalon 6 jack can pull 260 dc watts.

I believe if you have the boards here with the dps 2000 psu it will be good for avalon 6's

I believe if you have the 2880/2980 with j4bberwock's board and you run  avalon 6's you could be at risk.

If I was to do this all over I would use optimizer's boards with my avalon 6's

However  that is not the case for me.

If anyone makes a new 2880-2980  board with more copper I will try them.



see jacks in this photo





Phil,

I am working on a DPS800/1200 board as well as a 4k (Combo DPS2k).  I was planning on looking at the 2880/2980 as soon as I completed the other two sets (since it requires a load upgrade on my test setup).  If you are that interested, you are welcome to vote with your wallet in pre-orders. :-P

-Optim

  I would be willing to mail you one psu a 2880 to use as your tester.

I have drawn the conclusion that  the j4bberwock 2880/2980 boards most likely  should not be used with avalon 6 gear.
I have mostly avalon 6's and mostly 2880 /2980 boards. along with mostly 2980 psu's

The most cost effective fix for me is to wait for a better 2880/2980 board.

if sending a psu to you helps to speed up a board it is worth it.
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I decided not to buy the 2000 watt boards from you because I can not justify it economically.

I have 4   2980 ibm psus with 4 boards from j4bberwock

No one else makes this break out board.

The 2980 psu is by far the most efficient of all these psus.  



So even though these boards seem superior to j4bberwock  2880/2980 board

which I have now managed blacken the jacks.  Buying these boards mean I do not get to use my four  2980 psus.

I felt I wanted to explain this more clearly so that others do not have my issue which is the most efficient server psu intel 2980 using boards that are not quite good enough for an avalon 6.


The 2880/2980 boards should be good enough for the s-7 since an s-7 jack is under 150 dc watts.  the avalon 6 jack can pull 260 dc watts.

I believe if you have the boards here with the dps 2000 psu it will be good for avalon 6's

I believe if you have the 2880/2980 with j4bberwock's board and you run  avalon 6's you could be at risk.

If I was to do this all over I would use optimizer's boards with my avalon 6's

However  that is not the case for me.

If anyone makes a new 2880-2980  board with more copper I will try them.



see jacks in this photo





Phil,

I am working on a DPS800/1200 board as well as a 4k (Combo DPS2k).  I was planning on looking at the 2880/2980 as soon as I completed the other two sets (since it requires a load upgrade on my test setup).  If you are that interested, you are welcome to vote with your wallet in pre-orders. :-P

-Optim
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hey Optimizer


forgot to ask what other PSU can these be plugged in to , i have a miner that draws close to 2.3 k in power coming today. i may buy one of the 2500 watt psu and hows your version of the 800/1200 board coming ?

Side said his are due out in about two weeks with 6 pin plugs . me i really don't care what kind of plug is used as long as it's safe and stays on, would rather have PCEI Plugs for the easy plug in etc  but if the Screw type are Designed right, there just as good.

So far the three i bought form you meet that need Smiley .

I can use two 1200 watt 'psu if needed and turn one side of the miner off etc at times. i checked it can make in scrpt coins = to btc close to 0.03 or more a day depends on the price at that time, were i mine etc, what coin !!! most don't like alt coins because , I'm guessing all the work involved in exchanging them for BTC . and other claims, i won't get into because it might start some thing, i don't want to start . also i like doing Sha256 or btc, if i do sha256 coins,it's only btc.

 with Scripts there is so much more to do, if you have the MH power you can do pretty good, if that's your bag or reason for mining ").

Top,

This should work for the 2500 board, though I have not tested to 2.5kW.  Monitor board temperature at higher loads.  Let me know how it goes.  I won't have a completed setup for this until the 4ks are tested.

I ran into a snag with the 800/1200 connectors so I am testing a few variants to see what works best.  Will let you know.

We can discuss Ant later for your 256.  I'm probably going to avoid miners directly unless someone has a solid source for the latest and greatest BitFury's ;-)

Happy hunting and let me know how it goes,
-Optim
legendary
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I decided not to buy the 2000 watt boards from you because I can not justify it economically.

I have 4   2980 ibm psus with 4 boards from j4bberwock

No one else makes this break out board.

The 2980 psu is by far the most efficient of all these psus.  



So even though these boards seem superior to j4bberwock  2880/2980 board

which I have now managed blacken the jacks.  Buying these boards mean I do not get to use my four  2980 psus.

I felt I wanted to explain this more clearly so that others do not have my issue which is the most efficient server psu intel 2980 using boards that are not quite good enough for an avalon 6.


The 2880/2980 boards should be good enough for the s-7 since an s-7 jack is under 150 dc watts.  the avalon 6 jack can pull 260 dc watts.

I believe if you have the boards here with the dps 2000 psu it will be good for avalon 6's

I believe if you have the 2880/2980 with j4bberwock's board and you run  avalon 6's you could be at risk.

If I was to do this all over I would use optimizer's boards with my avalon 6's

However  that is not the case for me.

If anyone makes a new 2880-2980  board with more copper I will try them.



see jacks in this photo



legendary
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hey Optimizer


forgot to ask what other PSU can these be plugged in to , i have a miner that draws close to 2.3 k in power coming today. i may buy one of the 2500 watt psu and hows your version of the 800/1200 board coming ?

Side said his are due out in about two weeks with 6 pin plugs . me i really don't care what kind of plug is used as long as it's safe and stays on, would rather have PCEI Plugs for the easy plug in etc  but if the Screw type are Designed right, there just as good.

So far the three i bought form you meet that need Smiley .

I can use two 1200 watt 'psu if needed and turn one side of the miner off etc at times. i checked it can make in scrpt coins = to btc close to 0.03 or more a day depends on the price at that time, were i mine etc, what coin !!! most don't like alt coins because , I'm guessing all the work involved in exchanging them for BTC . and other claims, i won't get into because it might start some thing, i don't want to start . also i like doing Sha256 or btc, if i do sha256 coins,it's only btc.

 with Scripts there is so much more to do, if you have the MH power you can do pretty good, if that's your bag or reason for mining ").
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I was planning on having them rolled out already, but one of my batch anchor customers still hasn't paid an invoice I expected to see in January which held things up quite a bit. The original plan was to be rolling in November. Being broke all the time sucks. When Minersource evaporated a year ago, I got hosed out of some work I was banking on (already bringing in materials for it, seriously screw Matt Carson forever), which kept me from being able to do my hosting expansion as planned, but I had already promised to my customers the rate decrease which it would have allowed, so I pretty much lost out on not just the revenue from that job but another $1-1.5K per month from last March through February of this year. So, pretty much everything I wanted to do in the last year (stick miners excepted, fortunately, mostly thanks to some work Novak brought in) has either been dropped entirely or way behind schedule, which is why we didn't have 4K boards and DPS800/1200 boards at least eight months ago. I had a DPS8/12 prototype built in December 2013.

I think if the miner project takes off, I might get out of PSU boards entirely. Which kinda sucks since we basically started that market.

I would stay.  The 12V RC battery market still covers these widgets. 

-Optim
legendary
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I was planning on having them rolled out already, but one of my batch anchor customers still hasn't paid an invoice I expected to see in January which held things up quite a bit. The original plan was to be rolling in November. Being broke all the time sucks. When Minersource evaporated a year ago, I got hosed out of some work I was banking on (already bringing in materials for it, seriously screw Matt Carson forever), which kept me from being able to do my hosting expansion as planned, but I had already promised to my customers the rate decrease which it would have allowed, so I pretty much lost out on not just the revenue from that job but another $1-1.5K per month from last March through February of this year. So, pretty much everything I wanted to do in the last year (stick miners excepted, fortunately, mostly thanks to some work Novak brought in) has either been dropped entirely or way behind schedule, which is why we didn't have 4K boards and DPS800/1200 boards at least eight months ago. I had a DPS8/12 prototype built in December 2013.

I think if the miner project takes off, I might get out of PSU boards entirely. Which kinda sucks since we basically started that market.
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I hope I get all my 800/1200 boards built before you steal the market.

This is why we make things  differently!  Options for everyone.

-Optim
legendary
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I hope I get all my 800/1200 boards built before you steal the market.
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I bought three of these and well they are worth it . I'm not doing any reviews because I suck at it and don't like doing them any way . won't bad month them up against any other board but do highly recommended these boards . is about all I"ll say . I'm sold and impressed so far with how they handle the few miners i have .


You can trust him to send cash as friends on PayPal  so there is no fees to him or send btc without using escrow, but above all do what's the best and the safest way to you, need to stress that .



cya.  

Thank you Top!  I'm glad they work well for you.  These seem to be working well so I'm making a 4k version as well as a DPS800/DPS1200 card.  Will keep you updated!

-Optim
legendary
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I bought three of these and well they are worth it . I'm not doing any reviews because I suck at it and don't like doing them any way . won't bad month them up against any other board but do highly recommended these boards . is about all I"ll say . I'm sold and impressed so far with how they handle the few miners i have .


You can trust him to send cash as friends on PayPal  so there is no fees to him or send btc without using escrow, but above all do what's the best and the safest way to you, need to stress that .



cya.  
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Hi all,

Here is the final thermal update I have from the two board sets.

I placed a probe on the J4bberwock and ran it up to 166A.

J4bberwock Data:



I was finding that the temperatures were running dangerously close to delamination, so I decreased the load by removing a single 1 ohm load form the load bank.  The final temperature spikes are a result of that test. I would not recommend this board at full load.  It appears to exhibit negative margin and approach delam around 120-130C on the PCI-e side.  All of this heat is also lost energy.

My setup:



This board ran up to almost 80C on the connector but the PCI-e connectors ran fairly cool (around 70-80C) at full load.  There was plenty of margin.

-Optim
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I spent the beginning of my venture playing with the J4bberwock's.  They were difficult to amass in quantity and given my ambient conditions those boards rose an additional 30+degrees Celsius.

This is what I was seeing at full load for the J4bberwock:
http://i.imgur.com/cvp4xfG.jpg

Versus what I am currently seeing on my unit:
http://i.imgur.com/efWCCMg.jpg?1

Given the lead times and my quick test, I made a lot specifically for myself to eek out a bit of efficiency.  Cheesy


Thanks for humoring me. In depth technicalities is a bit beyond me but i like amassing the general/conceptual knowledge. 100F seem pretty close to body temperature i believe? Thats like 37C? That seem cool to me.

So you mean its a power waste issue? But it would be how much? 2-3watts waste?

The pictures read Centigrade, not Fahrenheit. 100C > 37C.

Yes.  I should have corrected that.  Thank you Dogie.

I have rerun the thermal tests since my initial posting.  It turns out the boards are journeying up into the high 110s and 120s (Celsius).  I have to knock out for work, but when I have a stretch of time, I will post newer thermal images/readings for you all.

-Optim
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@VirosaGITS

I spent the beginning of my venture playing with the J4bberwock's.  They were difficult to amass in quantity and given my ambient conditions those boards rose an additional 30+degrees Celsius.

This is what I was seeing at full load for the J4bberwock:
http://i.imgur.com/cvp4xfG.jpg

Versus what I am currently seeing on my unit:
http://i.imgur.com/efWCCMg.jpg?1

Given the lead times and my quick test, I made a lot specifically for myself to eek out a bit of efficiency.  Cheesy


Thanks for humoring me. In depth technicalities is a bit beyond me but i like amassing the general/conceptual knowledge. 100F seem pretty close to body temperature i believe? Thats like 37C? That seem cool to me.

So you mean its a power waste issue? But it would be how much? 2-3watts waste?

The pictures read Centigrade, not Fahrenheit. 100C > 37C.
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how much for 5 peaces shiped to 535700 ?

PM me.

@MarkAz,

Thank you for the detailed review.  I appreciate your work!

-Optim
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how much for 5 peaces shiped to 535700 ?
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Ok, so I had a bit of time to play with the boards this weekend and here are the promised pictures.  I have 10 of them, and now have 8 of them in use and 2 to play around with more when I have time:



So you can get an idea of what they look like relative to eachother, here's the 3 DPS-2000BB breakouts that I have (including the 4k one):



While it kind of looks bigger, in reality it's not - the actual PCB on this one is 83mm x 83mm (pretty much perfectly square) as opposed to the Jabberwock one which is 100mm x 75mm.  They both have 12 PCIe connectors and Jabberwocks has 6 fan connectors while this one has 3 (for my money, 3 is overkill as I usually only use one per device, but it's nice to have a few spares):



Here's the backside of the two units - not much of interest here except that you can actually see one of the layers on the blue one, whereas there's only a couple of traces fine visible on the upper left of the other:



I don't know if there's a more scientific way to determine how much copper is in these, but since they have almost exactly the same big components (PCIe plugs, PSU connector, etc), I figured taking their respective area divided by weight would probably give some indication.  Interestingly, even though the blue board is smaller it's average weight per square mm is 0.012 vs 0.010, which is pretty substantial - basically the blue board is 10% smaller and 10% heavier:





This is how I typically have the 4k configured, with 2 PWM server-grade fans, slightly offset so that part of the last fan blows over the PCB.  I'm also the king of zipties, so I use one monster one to hold the whole thing together - works really well:



This leads to one of my complains about the layout of Jabberwocks 4k board (neither his nor the blue single boards have this problem), and that is that because the fan headers are smack up against the switch you can't plug in a 4-pin connector.  Super annoying, as they could just be reversed to solve this:



I modified my setup slightly to use these - just reversing the orientation of the PSU's, which allows the two boards to be back-to back:



There is a fair bit of space between the two boards, but I would still put a piece of acrylic or other material between them so that they can't come in contact with eachother - just to be safe:




One issue for me with reversing the PSU's is that my clever locking/alignment hole doesn't work now because it should be in the middle - but that's easy enough to solve later:



It also has a jumpered pin header (they forgot to include the jumpers, but I had some onhand so no big deal).  Pretty simple - jumper in place, the on/off switch works; jumper out, the machine is off.  So to setup remote rebooting, just hook up a relay, flip the switch on, and now the relay controls whether or not the PSU is on. 



I have a bunch of these cheap Chinese ethernet relay boxes that I've used in the past, so being able to put them to use again is nice.  You can pick them up on AliExpress for cheap and the one in this picture can power cycle 8 PSU's, making it a pretty cost effective solution for remote rebooting.  I just use a script to call curl to hit the web interface on the relay box, and you're in business:



Overall my impression is that it's a really well designed board.  I think the layout shows that they either actively mine or at least spent time time thinking about it.  I also prefer the connector layout more than the Jabberwock board, as the square shape makes it work really well regardless of how the PSU is positioned (the Jabberwock has issues in that configuration), and personally I would prefer to have 3 fan connectors that are easier to work with than 6 jam packed next to the other.  Temperature of the board is hard for me to judge since my fan setup blows air over the PCB, but I prefer to have everything run as cool as possible, so if it's better on that front then sign me up as well.

Anyway, hope that helps!
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