[2018-02-12]Bitmain To Release Ethereum ASIC Miner F3 With 72Gb DDR3 Dram In Q2 - page 10.

Agozyen

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Until the end

Quote from: icedlink on February 12, 2018, 09:03:34 PM

DMM Japan most likely have it already ...
and they are test running it in their farms.

F3 specs..
650MH/s @ 750Watts

Wink

If true this will be huge, for a while at least. I pointed my rigs away from Eth a couple months back. Hopefully there won't be enough of these to force GPU's into other coins.

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To Hash or not to Hash, that's what the question

Just another 5 cents...
If say, todays 6 gpu rigs push out 250-350MHs, then with VEGA's this limit is higher and already climbs to 400MHs if not more, then comes March of 2018 and NVIDIA rolls out their 20xx GPU with capability of pushing 100MHs from one PGU, having 6 GPU rig pushing 600MHs is dam close to rumorish 650MHs, the only difference would be power this rig consumes vs the power this ASIC will consume... IT WILL ALL COME TO _ROI_ at the end.

P.S. usage of DDR3 or GDD3 still leaves me wonder...

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Quote from: pickleburglar on February 15, 2018, 04:07:09 PM

Quote from: d2bg on February 15, 2018, 02:27:36 PM

All articles I've found state around 200-220MH/s for $2500-3000. So even if they're correct (despite having zero sources), this doesn't sound like some 'GPU-killer'. You could easily build a 200-220MH/s rig for that price if GPUs were at their original retail cost, and the rig you build will be able to do much more than Ethash and have more resell value. So if the articles are correct, I welcome this new ASIC. Maybe it will help ease the GPU crisis.

Thing is though, eth difficulty rise has been held back because of the low availability of GPU's. These things would provide an alternative source of hardware and the difficulty would climb way faster.

I think it will still probably be easier to get the parts to build a 220MH/s GPU rig than it would be to get a Bitmain ASIC. As with all Bitmain products, the ASICs will probably be scooped up by resellers who sell at triple the price, whereas GPUs can still be gotten for maybe a 25% markup if you have nowinstock alerts. Unless the cost vs hashrate ratio for the ASICs is a massive improvement over GPU rigs, I think Bitmain's usual low availability will be enough to stop the difficulty from spiking too much.

Only time will tell I suppose.

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Quote from: d2bg on February 15, 2018, 02:27:36 PM

All articles I've found state around 200-220MH/s for $2500-3000. So even if they're correct (despite having zero sources), this doesn't sound like some 'GPU-killer'. You could easily build a 200-220MH/s rig for that price if GPUs were at their original retail cost, and the rig you build will be able to do much more than Ethash and have more resell value. So if the articles are correct, I welcome this new ASIC. Maybe it will help ease the GPU crisis.

Thing is though, eth difficulty rise has been held back because of the low availability of GPU's. These things would provide an alternative source of hardware and the difficulty would climb way faster.

d2bg

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All articles I've found state around 200-220MH/s for $2500-3000. So even if they're correct (despite having zero sources), this doesn't sound like some 'GPU-killer'. You could easily build a 200-220MH/s rig for that price if GPUs were at their original retail cost, and the rig you build will be able to do much more than Ethash and have more resell value. So if the articles are correct, I welcome this new ASIC. Maybe it will help ease the GPU crisis.

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yup this is pure speculation until an announcement is made. Previously they have kept new ASICs under the radar until release (see the a3, v9, etc.).

While i see the value in them producing an ASIC to mine ETH, its more likely we will see a Decred ASIC followed by better SHA256 ASICs from bitmain this year.

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Quote from: michnern on February 13, 2018, 09:42:19 PM

Quote from: Metroid on February 13, 2018, 06:55:39 PM

Quote from: michnern on February 13, 2018, 06:52:42 PM

Wonder what Ethereum developers will do if it turns out to be true? If you develop something specifically to be ASIC resistant, obviously IMHO you don’t want ASICS mining your coin. If someone makes an ASIC anyways, knowing you don’t want them mining your creation, then fork your coin and make their ASICs bricks. They will think twice about doing it again.

You must be a troll correct? Their asics can act like a video card concerning algorithms, even if eth devs change the algorithm, their asics can still mine the algorithm. I advise you trolls get to reality and stop paying $1000 for a rx 580, What got you trolls on this situation are yourselves.

I doubt they would have created an asic for ethash if rx 580 was selling for $180, like it used to be before the bullshit.

LOL... Troll... No.... Opinionated... Yes.... I've worked in I.T. for quite a while, so please elaborate when you say the ASIC can act like a video card??? Never heard of an ASIC capable of doing ANY algorithm because they don't exist. A true ASIC is purpose built to do one specific thing in a very fast and efficient manner... If it can adapt to multiple algos it sounds more like an FPGA to me.

Hello, do you know fpga programming? Can you pm me thank you

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Quote from: BennyT on February 14, 2018, 10:20:03 AM

Quote from: isukabtc on February 14, 2018, 10:07:36 AM

Quote from: Mattthev on February 14, 2018, 08:25:46 AM

Quote from: isukabtc on February 14, 2018, 08:15:53 AM

Using rx 560 chip should be enough to cover 10mh or so. Multiply by 18 i was thinking about 180mh with range 1500-3000 usd and power 18 x 75 watt = 1350 watt. Match up with its PSU Apw3++

IF they bought from amd for $25 per 560 chip, its only $450 for chips.

They can also goes to 580 chip to, 18 x 30 it means 540 mhs. All with 18 x 191 watt = 3438 watt (vga card). With good waver it might push to under 3000 watt so it can match with they old psu Awp5 up to 3200 watt.

580 chip only should around $50-75 so it up to $1350 and $3000 is a good price for this.

The expensive part is memory

Agree, a 8gb of VGEN DDR3 almost $80. So let say $10 including memory board, I guess they can have half the price for $5 per 1gb. 72gb should around $360, chip only.

Anyway I bought their products since 2014 and every single product always get me profit 2 times or more from their price (i dont buy v9 lol), so it should be something big Grin

its not the price of DDR3 that we're laughing about... the article was a joke. You can't mine ETH with DDR3 lol

Whats a joke about that? Anyone commenting on the pure engineering/tech of using DDR3 for eth mining has no engineering background and no idea what your talking about if your laughing about it.

Give me 10 mill to develop an eth ASIC core with a 4 channel DDR3 mem controller and it will blow any GDDR5 based GPU out of the water in terms of perf/$ and perf/watt

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Quote from: michalss on February 15, 2018, 12:04:42 PM

it is fake... At least it wont be rls in 3 monts.

Some says Bitmain already figured that out since December 2016 other says in 1st quarter 2017 who knows!

anyway what i wanna say is that the difficulty chart will show if this is true or not

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it is fake... At least it wont be rls in 3 monts.

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It's already been discussed....contracts are not handled by miners. That was a conceptual design idea to make it poisonable, but contracts are not handled by miners. So, there is no way to "poison the well" with a contract.

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Quote from: nsummy on February 14, 2018, 12:43:49 AM

I'm convinced that half the people posting in here are account farmers; The amount of low quality posts is astounding. Some Chinese website posted some speculation and now idiots are already talking about forks and the death of Ethereum.

Anyone who thinks Bitmain is going to (publicly) release an Eth Miner needs a reality check. Read the 3rd paragraph in the Mining Centralization section of the Ethereum whitepaper: https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/wiki/White-Paper#mining-centralization Specifically the part about poisoning the well.

Thank you for the link.

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Quote from: icedlink on February 12, 2018, 09:03:34 PM

DMM Japan most likely have it already ...
and they are test running it in their farms.

F3 specs..
650MH/s @ 750Watts

Wink

really?, 650 Mhz, 750w (mine ETH/ETC) .... wow

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So it leaked with name and everything? Months before launch? If I take the A3 as an example, I'd say bitmain knows how to keep things confidential to the last minute.

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Quote from: BennyT on February 14, 2018, 10:20:03 AM

Quote from: isukabtc on February 14, 2018, 10:07:36 AM

Quote from: Mattthev on February 14, 2018, 08:25:46 AM

Quote from: isukabtc on February 14, 2018, 08:15:53 AM

Using rx 560 chip should be enough to cover 10mh or so. Multiply by 18 i was thinking about 180mh with range 1500-3000 usd and power 18 x 75 watt = 1350 watt. Match up with its PSU Apw3++

IF they bought from amd for $25 per 560 chip, its only $450 for chips.

They can also goes to 580 chip to, 18 x 30 it means 540 mhs. All with 18 x 191 watt = 3438 watt (vga card). With good waver it might push to under 3000 watt so it can match with they old psu Awp5 up to 3200 watt.

580 chip only should around $50-75 so it up to $1350 and $3000 is a good price for this.

The expensive part is memory

Agree, a 8gb of VGEN DDR3 almost $80. So let say $10 including memory board, I guess they can have half the price for $5 per 1gb. 72gb should around $360, chip only.

Anyway I bought their products since 2014 and every single product always get me profit 2 times or more from their price (i dont buy v9 lol), so it should be something big Grin

its not the price of DDR3 that we're laughing about... the article was a joke. You can't mine ETH with DDR3 lol

its an asic...

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Doomed to see the future and unable to prevent it

So is ETH POS scheduled for right after all these Asics get dumped?

I wonder how long the burn in period was. Lol

Quote from: windmm on February 14, 2018, 11:43:29 AM

Can people really use ASICs to mine Ethereums?

Any computation can be made into a Asic.

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Quote from: BennyT on February 14, 2018, 10:20:03 AM

its not the price of DDR3 that we're laughing about... the article was a joke. You can't mine ETH with DDR3 lol

Of course you can

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Can people really use ASICs to mine Ethereums?

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Quote from: isukabtc on February 14, 2018, 10:07:36 AM

Quote from: Mattthev on February 14, 2018, 08:25:46 AM

Quote from: isukabtc on February 14, 2018, 08:15:53 AM

Using rx 560 chip should be enough to cover 10mh or so. Multiply by 18 i was thinking about 180mh with range 1500-3000 usd and power 18 x 75 watt = 1350 watt. Match up with its PSU Apw3++

IF they bought from amd for $25 per 560 chip, its only $450 for chips.

They can also goes to 580 chip to, 18 x 30 it means 540 mhs. All with 18 x 191 watt = 3438 watt (vga card). With good waver it might push to under 3000 watt so it can match with they old psu Awp5 up to 3200 watt.

580 chip only should around $50-75 so it up to $1350 and $3000 is a good price for this.

The expensive part is memory

Agree, a 8gb of VGEN DDR3 almost $80. So let say $10 including memory board, I guess they can have half the price for $5 per 1gb. 72gb should around $360, chip only.

Anyway I bought their products since 2014 and every single product always get me profit 2 times or more from their price (i dont buy v9 lol), so it should be something big Grin

its not the price of DDR3 that we're laughing about... the article was a joke. You can't mine ETH with DDR3 lol

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Quote from: Mattthev on February 14, 2018, 08:25:46 AM

Quote from: isukabtc on February 14, 2018, 08:15:53 AM

Using rx 560 chip should be enough to cover 10mh or so. Multiply by 18 i was thinking about 180mh with range 1500-3000 usd and power 18 x 75 watt = 1350 watt. Match up with its PSU Apw3++

IF they bought from amd for $25 per 560 chip, its only $450 for chips.

They can also goes to 580 chip to, 18 x 30 it means 540 mhs. All with 18 x 191 watt = 3438 watt (vga card). With good waver it might push to under 3000 watt so it can match with they old psu Awp5 up to 3200 watt.

580 chip only should around $50-75 so it up to $1350 and $3000 is a good price for this.

The expensive part is memory

Agree, a 8gb of VGEN DDR3 almost $80. So let say $10 including memory board, I guess they can have half the price for $5 per 1gb. 72gb should around $360, chip only.

Anyway I bought their products since 2014 and every single product always get me profit 2 times or more from their price (i dont buy v9 lol), so it should be something big Grin

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