The fact is that there is ideally nothing wrong with charging tax on profits but how are they gonna do that- that's i mean monitoring the profits earned. Does that mean they are gonna require everyone to bring forward earning statements?
Well, anyways anytime i hear news and it's not about banning, I feel good and happy.
Topic: [2018-09-07] Ukrainians Advised to Pay 19.5% Tax on Crypto Incomes (Read 424 times)
September 27, 2018, 06:49:35 AM
September 24, 2018, 12:02:55 PM
The rate in this country related to the incomes taxes it currently at 18% (the highest has been 20%) So what? Not much difference compared the incomes. Any income shall be taxed, there is nothing wrong. At least the citizens know where the government stands, but generally speaking, any citizen knows there will be a tax.
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate
Actually only people who were indoctrinated by years of government propaganda can repeat slogans like "all income should be taxed". Saying no to the abuse is one of the fundamental rights of a human being and taxes of almost 20% on top of VAT, excise and property tax are an abuse.
If the government is abusing the miners they should leave and move the businesses somewhere else. A couple months ago there was a case of Polish government abusing traders and demanding 1% of every transaction on top of the income tax. As a result all exchanges moved out of the country.
It has nothing to do with government propaganda. Every citizen has to participate in the country. Money doesn't grow on trees ( as far as I know) How do you want to run a country if the country has no income. People complaining about taxes are the same people complaining about how infrastructure are bad in their country. How roads are shit, the hospitals look like basement underground etc. So you want a free school for your children but don't want to pay a tax? It's not how things work.
Then, claiming a 20% VAT is an abuse is a little exaggerating. How do you know it is an abuse? How do you define what is not an abuse?
September 24, 2018, 11:57:20 AM
The fact that the Ukrainian government wants to introduce tax rules on the payment of 19.5 percent of the profits in the crypto currency before the adoption of the relevant laws on the regulation of the crypto currency, I can say with certainty that this will not work even if this percentage is too high. If the tax was a few percent, it could be paid in half the cases, and no one will pay such a high percentage. In the crypto currency, you can now find many options to circumvent these rules. The majority will wait for the adoption of laws, the proposed bills are more loyal: one provides for a complete absence of taxation for the use of crypto currency, and another provides for the payment of 5 percent of the tax.
September 24, 2018, 09:54:04 AM
The rate in this country related to the incomes taxes it currently at 18% (the highest has been 20%) So what? Not much difference compared the incomes. Any income shall be taxed, there is nothing wrong. At least the citizens know where the government stands, but generally speaking, any citizen knows there will be a tax.
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate
Yep, he hit it right on the money.
September 24, 2018, 09:52:27 AM
Still better, then banning trading, but i think not much effect will be achieved, lots of methods in ukraine no to declare this income. Using btc atm for example and getting cash, if we are not speaking about million of dollars of course.
That is true, i have the same opinion, it is better for the country to make taxes on incomes from crypto than banning them, cause thanks to that people could still use them without any fear. Every asset is taxed. There are very few exceptions. Nobody likes to pay taxes, but that's the law
In Brazil people must pay 15% of the your gains.
Regulation comes with cons (taxes and burocratic rules) and benefits (safer exchanges for example)
September 24, 2018, 09:34:41 AM
Still better, then banning trading, but i think not much effect will be achieved, lots of methods in ukraine no to declare this income. Using btc atm for example and getting cash, if we are not speaking about million of dollars of course.
That is true, i have the same opinion, it is better for the country to make taxes on incomes from crypto than banning them, cause thanks to that people could still use them without any fear. 
September 21, 2018, 10:04:48 AM
The rate in this country related to the incomes taxes it currently at 18% (the highest has been 20%) So what? Not much difference compared the incomes. Any income shall be taxed, there is nothing wrong. At least the citizens know where the government stands, but generally speaking, any citizen knows there will be a tax.
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate
I am totally agree with you every citizen are have obligations for their loving country
But in cryptocurrency I didn't know how to make it because its an anonymous currency
That's the reason more countries want crypto become regulated currency
September 21, 2018, 04:26:46 AM
now that IMF and the goverment didn't see eye to eye regarding a new credit
Ukraine will need every penny it can squize out of its lucky inhabitants
and seeing that the presidential race is in full swing , the need for money is balanced by the need to appease the electorate somehow
but it is certainly NOT the top priority for all that are in power currently, their top priorities are army, selling their resources cheap to Europe and
generally making the country poorer and themselves richer
cryptocurrency tax would fit right in in this scheme
Ukraine will need every penny it can squize out of its lucky inhabitants
and seeing that the presidential race is in full swing , the need for money is balanced by the need to appease the electorate somehow
but it is certainly NOT the top priority for all that are in power currently, their top priorities are army, selling their resources cheap to Europe and
generally making the country poorer and themselves richer
cryptocurrency tax would fit right in in this scheme
September 12, 2018, 01:00:56 AM
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there's no interest from the leaders of the country whatsoever.
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there's no interest from the leaders of the country whatsoever.
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These 3 Ukrainian politicians would respectfully disagree:
https://www.coindesk.com/45-million-ukrainian-lawmakers-reveal-big-bitcoin-holdings/
So, 3 MP's out of 450? That's nothing. And I've said leaders, meaning the President, Prime Minister, Finance or Economy Ministers, etc.
It's similar to how pretty much what most of the countries around the world are doing with crypto taxation.
If you receive income in the form of bitcoin, obviously you're going to still be paying tax on it. Bitcoin is not some sort of tax haven, it's merely just another form of payment for income in the government's eyes. And this is pretty much all this policy is about, there is nothing special here. It's interesting though that they're regarding CGT as regular income tax, and having no apparent policy as to using bitcoin as a means of payment.
The tax on mining though could mean that some miners could potentially be disincentivized from mining within Ukraine, due to 20% of their profits being taxed.
If you receive income in the form of bitcoin, obviously you're going to still be paying tax on it. Bitcoin is not some sort of tax haven, it's merely just another form of payment for income in the government's eyes. And this is pretty much all this policy is about, there is nothing special here. It's interesting though that they're regarding CGT as regular income tax, and having no apparent policy as to using bitcoin as a means of payment.
The tax on mining though could mean that some miners could potentially be disincentivized from mining within Ukraine, due to 20% of their profits being taxed.
Notice how the guy from the article said that you can obtain Bitcoin via mining or trading. He didn't say that you can receive it for selling goods or services, and that's probably because the law is very murky here, so one might even get into trouble by using Bitcoin as a currency if they operate with really high volumes. But small businesses and freelancers should be fine, they've been working with not fully legal payment systems or using various schemes for years.
September 11, 2018, 09:25:28 PM
It's interesting though that they're regarding CGT as regular income tax, and having no apparent policy as to using bitcoin as a means of payment.
Ukraine does it like the US then. In the US, capital gains are taxed at an individual's ordinary tax rate. It doesn't matter where the gains come from -- gold, real estate, bitcoins, etc. Everything is taxed at the same rate. There was a bill introduced to Congress last year to exempt cryptocurrency payments below $600 from taxation, but it didn't get added to the tax overhaul. I'm not sure if it's still being considered.
The tax on mining though could mean that some miners could potentially be disincentivized from mining within Ukraine, due to 20% of their profits being taxed.
Presumably it was already being taxed. This isn't a new policy or anything.
September 11, 2018, 06:47:12 PM
I can agree to others saying that the rate is fair considering that a lot of capital tax rate are on 20% upwards not to mention they are not fixed to all income levels. Also rates like this one is considerably lower compared to what is being taxed to your income. This is a start for Ukraine as this is better than going against cryptocurrency users in that country unlike some countries who are still stuck until now on classifying what kind of asset are cryptocurrencies which is pretty crucial for determining the kind of tax.
September 11, 2018, 06:35:56 PM
It's similar to how pretty much what most of the countries around the world are doing with crypto taxation.
If you receive income in the form of bitcoin, obviously you're going to still be paying tax on it. Bitcoin is not some sort of tax haven, it's merely just another form of payment for income in the government's eyes. And this is pretty much all this policy is about, there is nothing special here. It's interesting though that they're regarding CGT as regular income tax, and having no apparent policy as to using bitcoin as a means of payment.
The tax on mining though could mean that some miners could potentially be disincentivized from mining within Ukraine, due to 20% of their profits being taxed.
If you receive income in the form of bitcoin, obviously you're going to still be paying tax on it. Bitcoin is not some sort of tax haven, it's merely just another form of payment for income in the government's eyes. And this is pretty much all this policy is about, there is nothing special here. It's interesting though that they're regarding CGT as regular income tax, and having no apparent policy as to using bitcoin as a means of payment.
The tax on mining though could mean that some miners could potentially be disincentivized from mining within Ukraine, due to 20% of their profits being taxed.
September 11, 2018, 05:12:36 PM
The rate in this country related to the incomes taxes it currently at 18% (the highest has been 20%) So what? Not much difference compared the incomes. Any income shall be taxed, there is nothing wrong. At least the citizens know where the government stands, but generally speaking, any citizen knows there will be a tax.
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate
Actually only people who were indoctrinated by years of government propaganda can repeat slogans like "all income should be taxed". Saying no to the abuse is one of the fundamental rights of a human being and taxes of almost 20% on top of VAT, excise and property tax are an abuse.
If the government is abusing the miners they should leave and move the businesses somewhere else. A couple months ago there was a case of Polish government abusing traders and demanding 1% of every transaction on top of the income tax. As a result all exchanges moved out of the country.
If you don't like the way your taxes are spent, join a political party and try to change the system.
If you don't like paying taxes to the government, try to emigrate to a country where taxes are lower.
The Ukranians are lucky to pay tax at such low rates; not many countries have income tax at lower than 20%.
What a smart thing to say. Don't like the police, become a policeman and change their ways from the inside.
Don't like politics, become a politician and change something. That's a typical "fuck off" stance taken by people who lack arguments.
And I saved the best for the end: If you don't like it, move to another country.
P.S. Many countries have lower rates than 20. For instance, in Romania it's 10%, in Russia 13%, Slovenia 16%, and so on. I've intentionally picked some of the countries located in the same region. Worldwide there's many with no income tax at all.
September 10, 2018, 10:24:36 AM
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there's no interest from the leaders of the country whatsoever.
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there's no interest from the leaders of the country whatsoever.
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These 3 Ukrainian politicians would respectfully disagree:
https://www.coindesk.com/45-million-ukrainian-lawmakers-reveal-big-bitcoin-holdings/
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Recent disclosures by members of Ukraine's national legislature revealed that three
lawmakers have a combined wealth in bitcoin of more than $45 million.
lawmakers have a combined wealth in bitcoin of more than $45 million.
This may be just the tip of the iceberg. Who knows how many other politicians
own huge amounts of BTC (probably gained by granting favors to various lobbies?)
and just didn´t declare their holdings.
They have no real interest in regulating anything related to BTC, because the average
citizen of the Ukraine isn´t owning any cryptocurrency anyway. But the elites
are obviously taking full advantage of the features of Bitcoin.
September 09, 2018, 06:34:31 PM
The rate in this country related to the incomes taxes it currently at 18% (the highest has been 20%) So what? Not much difference compared the incomes. Any income shall be taxed, there is nothing wrong. At least the citizens know where the government stands, but generally speaking, any citizen knows there will be a tax.
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate
https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate
Actually only people who were indoctrinated by years of government propaganda can repeat slogans like "all income should be taxed". Saying no to the abuse is one of the fundamental rights of a human being and taxes of almost 20% on top of VAT, excise and property tax are an abuse.
If the government is abusing the miners they should leave and move the businesses somewhere else. A couple months ago there was a case of Polish government abusing traders and demanding 1% of every transaction on top of the income tax. As a result all exchanges moved out of the country.
If you don't like the way your taxes are spent, join a political party and try to change the system.
If you don't like paying taxes to the government, try to emigrate to a country where taxes are lower.
The Ukranians are lucky to pay tax at such low rates; not many countries have income tax at lower than 20%.
19.5% of my CRYPTO earnings? what a joke The way I see it, it is not fair to pay ~20% of my crypto earnings as a tax.
Anything below 12% is okay, but paying above that is a JOKE, trust me.
No disrespect, Ukraine is one of the corrupt nations in the world.
Therefore, the majority of the taxed money goes to the politicians' pockets.
Why pay your hard earned profits up to 20% to a country where politicians loot
September 09, 2018, 06:26:25 AM
I think this ruling is not yet clear or misunderstood by everyone. Including the people who wrote this. I say this because this totally different in principle to what Ukraine has been trying to achieve with Bitcoin and blockchain. They know they are so far behind and economically lagging, so they are moving up, trying on one hand to be friendly to crypto business, trying to set up blockchain hubs, even now testing elections by blockchain vote.
So you want to tax 20% of people crypto incomes? This is so going to be bad for any of the things they want to do, if true.
So you want to tax 20% of people crypto incomes? This is so going to be bad for any of the things they want to do, if true.
There was no ruling, cryptocurrencies are still not regulated. It was just an interview with official where he has told that the general law and tax rates apply to Bitcoin, like if it is a common commodity.
Also, Ukraine is not really trying to do anything with blockchain and cryptocurrencies, all the news that you've been hearing are really insignificant, some MP's propose their half-baked drafts, and that's it, there's no interest from the leaders of the country whatsoever. Same with blockchain voting, it's just some guy from the Central Electoral Commission who decided to post the voting results, that are already public, to NEM's blockchain, anyone can do that.
September 09, 2018, 05:54:57 AM
Still better, then banning trading, but i think not much effect will be achieved, lots of methods in ukraine no to declare this income. Using btc atm for example and getting cash, if we are not speaking about million of dollars of course.
September 09, 2018, 02:40:35 AM
I think this ruling is not yet clear or misunderstood by everyone. Including the people who wrote this. I say this because this totally different in principle to what Ukraine has been trying to achieve with Bitcoin and blockchain. They know they are so far behind and economically lagging, so they are moving up, trying on one hand to be friendly to crypto business, trying to set up blockchain hubs, even now testing elections by blockchain vote.
So you want to tax 20% of people crypto incomes? This is so going to be bad for any of the things they want to do, if true.
So you want to tax 20% of people crypto incomes? This is so going to be bad for any of the things they want to do, if true.
September 09, 2018, 02:08:36 AM
Cryptocurrency is a gray area, it is not just any income that should/can be subjected to tax anyhow. What happens in the case where a declared profit on cryptocurrency suddenly loses 70% of its value just before there is an intention to pay tax?
You have a couple options. If you realize profit, incurring taxes, you could segregate the amount due for taxes from your total capital and hold it in fiat currency. The alternative is to realize the losses on reinvestment (70% in the above case) to drastically lower the total tax liability.
In Ukraine pretty much everyone evade taxes, workers get small legal salary and then the rest of the salary in cash, freelancers don't declare their income because it's nearly impossible to comply with regulations, businesses (including the mega-rich) are always looking for schemes that make them avoid taxes. The tax bodies in Ukraine don't work the same as in the West, they don't chase citizens unless they are really rich, and in Ukraine any income is legal until proven otherwise. So, when people sell small amounts of coins on exchanges (up to ~$5,000), they just withdraw it to their bank account and most likely won't have to worry about taxes.
I have a friend in Ukraine and this is accurate. I mentioned this article to him and all he had to say was "meh."
September 08, 2018, 05:40:42 PM
If you don't like the way your taxes are spent, join a political party and try to change the system.
If you don't like paying taxes to the government, try to emigrate to a country where taxes are lower.
The Ukranians are lucky to pay tax at such low rates; not many countries have income tax at lower than 20%.
In Ukraine pretty much everyone evade taxes, workers get small legal salary and then the rest of the salary in cash, freelancers don't declare their income because it's nearly impossible to comply with regulations, businesses (including the mega-rich) are always looking for schemes that make them avoid taxes. The tax bodies in Ukraine don't work the same as in the West, they don't chase citizens unless they are really rich, and in Ukraine any income is legal until proven otherwise. So, when people sell small amounts of coins on exchanges (up to ~$5,000), they just withdraw it to their bank account and most likely won't have to worry about taxes.
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