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September 25, 2022, 02:53:55 PM
Preseason starting sooon.
What I will be looking at are the rookies.

Still rooting for my team, Pistons better do something with the picks you got.

Also that Simmons, Irving and Durant.

A lot of teams did some real powerup huh.
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September 25, 2022, 02:42:44 PM

The players already knew that they have no choice at all when they are being selected to be drafted so that the team will not pay excessive luxury tax, NBA is business after all as well as the franchise. If the players earn, the franchise needs to earn and save too, that's the point. If only luxury tax wasn't there, I bet the teams in the league will be so stacked up because they will be keeping their players especially the ones who are so vital for the team's win in the championship.

It's a business and most of those stars are after the money more than the title. They will play their best after the rookie year
in hope to have an extended contract up to the point that they will be earning the Max pay out.

If only the team owner can be excused with the taxes and the salary cap, they will keep players that help them to win a title or
even help them to make a good run.

But it's impossible for them to let players to have same salaries. Most of them will ask for more and the best thing to do
is going for the trade and let the players enjoy their luxury of being good in this league.
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September 25, 2022, 02:29:01 PM
5 days until nba preseason kicks off. Starting to look like the Lakers aren’t going to get their roster problems figured out. I’m looking forward to seeing how Ben Simmons fits in with Kyrie and KD. Also excited to see Zion Williamson healthy again. Looking to be an exciting season. I wonder if Giannis is still getting better…

That’s insane I feel like we just ended the season. I can’t remember but didn’t both Kyrie and Durant ask for a trade..so what ended up happening with that whole situation, did they both agree to stay in like a “never mind on being traded” type of way ?

Yeah looking forward to how Simmons will fit in with that team. Hopeful Zion can actually stay healthy. He just kind of reminds me of Greg Oden, looks old as hell and the body type just seems problematic.
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September 25, 2022, 01:34:59 PM
Yes, there's no problem with that. I'm just seeing most of the fans have talked about that before but it's no longer a problem. Everyone has to end their journey with their championship team and has to be traded away if that's the management's decision.

They cannot keep them all anyway even if they wanted too. Their salary is bound to go up and if GSW keeps them, they would be over the cap and will be paying a lot of luxury tax. It would not be a wise move. They have to make a choice who to let go and who to keep.
Well, that's right.

They'll have that salary cap and that's why some of them has to let go and be traded. As a player goes into a championship, I guess that they're also bound to increase their salaries and contracts.

And the GSW management can't keep with that and maybe, that's a brilliant thing for some of those that wanted to increase their salary but, they'll no longer be part of that great championship team that they've been part of.

The players already knew that they have no choice at all when they are being selected to be drafted so that the team will not pay excessive luxury tax, NBA is business after all as well as the franchise. If the players earn, the franchise needs to earn and save too, that's the point. If only luxury tax wasn't there, I bet the teams in the league will be so stacked up because they will be keeping their players especially the ones who are so vital for the team's win in the championship.
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September 25, 2022, 01:29:53 PM
I think it was a franchise rule that he broke. And I think it is normal that they would suspend him since he is married and still had a consensual relationship with female staff. Other organizations would do that as well to avoid scandal.

I don't think it's a normal situation.  These types of affairs get swept under the rug all the time.  You hear about Steve Nash learning about his wife's cheating when their baby was born black?  How about Delonte West supposedly having sex with LeBron's mother to get back at him for mouthing off in practice?  I could go on and on...  Tony Parker, Nick Young, Matt Barnes, etc...  There have been lots of incidents that were never acknowledged by teams or led to suspensions (although Delonte West got blackballed). 

This is clearly a situation with some extraordinary circumstances.  Every sports journalist is out there trying to figure this out to report on it.  I'm sure we'll hear something soon.

Wow! I did not even knew those issues until you said it, I was shocked reading this especially Steve Nash that he only found out that his wife is cheating because the baby turned out black after the labor. That was very unexpected and I cannot imagine how Steve Nash felt when he found that out because obviously he took extensive care for his pregnant wife for 9mos without knowing that it wasn't his.

Anyway, I think you just misunderstood what @jakelyson is trying to say, he didn't said that the situation is normal. What he said was that it's normal (and I think that's expected) that the team would suspend Ime Udoka because of that action as it would really reflect the team's image.
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September 25, 2022, 01:22:41 PM
It's not acceptable for any coach to have something like this, but a further investigation is certainly needed, it could be a faulty news or something like that, we need to know further details. We all remember Kobe deal as well, but the suit was dropped, I do not know the details but there was never a charge that stick, hence why he was able to further himself as a legend.

I feel like if it happened today, the cancel culture would make sure that he would never play again, and we would never see the 24 at all, he wanted to put it behind him and work hard and he did and became legend, will Ime have the same chance to prove he is innocent and continue? I am not so sure.
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September 25, 2022, 01:22:41 PM
Maybe the NBA have established another rule regarding fellow staff members/players in the same team because of the past issues, I don't really know if there's a rule like that exist in the league but that seems the case as why would coach Ime Udoka be suspended for the whole season. Surely, the team will be affected and it's too unfortunate because they had a good run last season.

I think it was a franchise rule that he broke. And I think it is normal that they would suspend him since he is married and still had a consensual relationship with female staff. Other organizations would do that as well to avoid scandal.

Yes, I think so too and that is more acceptable and quite reasonable rather than the NBA itself giving suspensions with these kinds of actions, it doesn't suit well if that is the case. Well, it seems that Ime Udoka's case was solid enough because he was given a whole season long suspension.
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September 25, 2022, 12:58:26 PM
5 days until nba preseason kicks off. Starting to look like the Lakers aren’t going to get their roster problems figured out. I’m looking forward to seeing how Ben Simmons fits in with Kyrie and KD. Also excited to see Zion Williamson healthy again. Looking to be an exciting season. I wonder if Giannis is still getting better…
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September 25, 2022, 08:54:27 AM
Yes and throughout the NBA's history, there are a lot of sex scandals, involving the players themselves. Who will forget about Kobe's infamous case here? and I think it causes him his Adidas or Nike contract. Nevertheless, he continue to play and become a legend.

It's just the times though, I'm also not updated on the rules whether written or not about coaches and their affairs. I guess the sticking point is that he is married, which make it worst and Boston franchise are not going to tolerate it.

They made the right action already, it's only a suspension but I'm pretty sure he will not return anymore because he knows he made a serious offense. he is a great coach, so he can still find a team to play with but in a different league.

Yes, but most likely he can never go back to coach the Celtics as it really ruined his reputation and maybe no one will hire him in the NBA because of this issues.

@Swordsoffreedom - not sure how this is pre planned, investigation starts in July when there are also noises and then the management hire a independent 3rd party to be unbiased and this is the result of the investigation. So everything was done by the book, the way I see it.
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September 25, 2022, 08:40:58 AM
Yes and throughout the NBA's history, there are a lot of sex scandals, involving the players themselves. Who will forget about Kobe's infamous case here? and I think it causes him his Adidas or Nike contract. Nevertheless, he continue to play and become a legend.

It's just the times though, I'm also not updated on the rules whether written or not about coaches and their affairs. I guess the sticking point is that he is married, which make it worst and Boston franchise are not going to tolerate it.

They made the right action already, it's only a suspension but I'm pretty sure he will not return anymore because he knows he made a serious offense. he is a great coach, so he can still find a team to play with but in a different league.
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September 25, 2022, 05:28:13 AM
Yes and throughout the NBA's history, there are a lot of sex scandals, involving the players themselves. Who will forget about Kobe's infamous case here? and I think it causes him his Adidas or Nike contract. Nevertheless, he continue to play and become a legend.

It's just the times though, I'm also not updated on the rules whether written or not about coaches and their affairs. I guess the sticking point is that he is married, which make it worst and Boston franchise are not going to tolerate it.
For some reason, I think that this was pre-planned. It has to be right? As mentioned in the previous posts there have been a lot of scandals in the NBA. However, if I am not mistaken, there was never a punishment like this in the past. Although I am not certain, I believe that someone was trying to take revenge on him for something that he did. That's why this was planned and the outcome is so severe. I cannot see any other reason. It can also be just bad luck. There's no doubt that Boston cares deeply about these things.


Iggy can still play though, but they could use him in bench and locker room in mentoring the young bloods. Saw him making good effort in coaching his teammates courtside.
Iggy is also one of the toughest foundation in GSW together with Steph, Thompson, and Green. These 4 jerseys would definitely be hanged on the rafters when they're all retired.
He was never really getting any real minutes to begin with, he got 20 minutes last year for example and we all know they were mainly in garbage time as well, which means that he gets like 12-15 minutes of playing time for proper periods, and he will be replaced with one of the young players there from now on. He hasn't scored over 10 ppg for around 10 years now if I am not wrong, he is just there to pass and defend, that's all his duties are.
I agree that it's more udanishaslem type of deal where he is just helping the younger players become better, nothing more. Plus they are a team that's paying a huge salary these days, including the luxury tax, so another vet minimum wouldn't really matter to them anyway.
You're right. Iggy hasn't averaged more than 10 points per game since he was traded to the Warriors in the 13-14 season. By the way, a fun fact is that Iggy managed to be the MVP final of the 14-15 season, and he is probably the only player who could do that with such low-average stats. Whatever it was, it's obvious that his current role on the team is to be a mentor like Haslem for the Heat.
Is not eligible to get enough play time if he does not contribute to the team effectively. Andre Iguodala is already 38 years old. At this stage of his career, it is understandable that he is not performing well enough for the team. But I really like what the warriors are doing with him. They understand he is not capable of contributing enough to the court. In addition, they plan to keep him so he can contribute as a player who can pass on his experience to the younger players and help the team in that way.
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September 24, 2022, 08:19:07 PM
Yes and throughout the NBA's history, there are a lot of sex scandals, involving the players themselves. Who will forget about Kobe's infamous case here? and I think it causes him his Adidas or Nike contract. Nevertheless, he continue to play and become a legend.

It's just the times though, I'm also not updated on the rules whether written or not about coaches and their affairs. I guess the sticking point is that he is married, which make it worst and Boston franchise are not going to tolerate it.
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September 24, 2022, 07:54:44 PM
This seems funny to us because why not, right? Even Doc Rivers deserves to have some fun sometimes and liking some nasty tweets doesn't affect his performance or anything that will affect the whole league, that is his right. Seriously, what is happening in the league now? I'm not updated anymore with its rules, it seems to me that these kinds of rules are so personal.
They are getting strict about how the coaches and their staff should behave. But they forget they also have their own lives when they go home.
No basketball talks, just porn.  Grin The news reported it was "hacked" which I think is true. Twice I had a problem with Twitter and it's my 3rd account now.
I don't think it's a normal situation.  These types of affairs get swept under the rug all the time.  You hear about Steve Nash learning about his wife's cheating when their baby was born black?  How about Delonte West supposedly having sex with LeBron's mother to get back at him for mouthing off in practice?  I could go on and on...  Tony Parker, Nick Young, Matt Barnes, etc...  There have been lots of incidents that were never acknowledged by teams or led to suspensions (although Delonte West got blackballed). 

This is clearly a situation with some extraordinary circumstances.  Every sports journalist is out there trying to figure this out to report on it.  I'm sure we'll hear something soon.
Brings back memories.  Cheesy
I think Udoka is not telling anything because he is waiting if his wife will file a case. If none, then he doesn't really need to give out any explanation to anyone including the media. Finish the suspension while trying to win back your wife, then come back as a brand new Udoka.
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September 24, 2022, 06:57:30 PM
Whatever it was, it's obvious that his current role on the team is to be a mentor like Haslem for the Heat.

Draymond Green is the advisor and mentor of the Golden State Warriors' young cores for years. Iggy can't replace him. Cheesy

Kidding aside I believed Iggy might boost the performance of his teammates, especially alongside him when they have won a chip. As a former Finals MVP of the Warriors, it's exciting to be reunited with him.

I'm not expecting though that Iggy will have good playing time here but his presence is already enough. Besides, the contract offered is not that decent.
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September 24, 2022, 05:45:28 PM
Iggy can still play though, but they could use him in bench and locker room in mentoring the young bloods. Saw him making good effort in coaching his teammates courtside.
Iggy is also one of the toughest foundation in GSW together with Steph, Thompson, and Green. These 4 jerseys would definitely be hanged on the rafters when they're all retired.
He was never really getting any real minutes to begin with, he got 20 minutes last year for example and we all know they were mainly in garbage time as well, which means that he gets like 12-15 minutes of playing time for proper periods, and he will be replaced with one of the young players there from now on. He hasn't scored over 10 ppg for around 10 years now if I am not wrong, he is just there to pass and defend, that's all his duties are.

I agree that it's more udanishaslem type of deal where he is just helping the younger players become better, nothing more. Plus they are a team that's paying a huge salary these days, including the luxury tax, so another vet minimum wouldn't really matter to them anyway.

You're right. Iggy hasn't averaged more than 10 points per game since he was traded to the Warriors in the 13-14 season. By the way, a fun fact is that Iggy managed to be the MVP final of the 14-15 season, and he is probably the only player who could do that with such low-average stats. Whatever it was, it's obvious that his current role on the team is to be a mentor like Haslem for the Heat.
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September 24, 2022, 04:33:31 PM
Iggy can still play though, but they could use him in bench and locker room in mentoring the young bloods. Saw him making good effort in coaching his teammates courtside.
Iggy is also one of the toughest foundation in GSW together with Steph, Thompson, and Green. These 4 jerseys would definitely be hanged on the rafters when they're all retired.
He was never really getting any real minutes to begin with, he got 20 minutes last year for example and we all know they were mainly in garbage time as well, which means that he gets like 12-15 minutes of playing time for proper periods, and he will be replaced with one of the young players there from now on. He hasn't scored over 10 ppg for around 10 years now if I am not wrong, he is just there to pass and defend, that's all his duties are.

I agree that it's more udanishaslem type of deal where he is just helping the younger players become better, nothing more. Plus they are a team that's paying a huge salary these days, including the luxury tax, so another vet minimum wouldn't really matter to them anyway.
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September 24, 2022, 04:28:56 PM
In case some don't know, Udoka had "an improper intimate and consensual relationship with a female member of the team staff."  that's why he got suspended and he apologized for it. I don't know if this is a big news but I'm pretty sure that the Celtics franchise is heavily affected by this one. He has been a very good coach in his first season, and he led the Celtics to NBA Finals. Their assistant coach, Joe Mazzulla will be their interim head coach. 

Any thoughts with this one? How will the Celtics be affected by this?
Surely a hiccup for the entire franchise considering how huge his difference on them. Surely they'll move on from this one but was the franchise was too hasty on their decisions? I don't think so too, perhaps it's to tell that they abide on their policies. The entire franchise will surely be affected tbh.

As we can see in the championship odds, https://www.oddsshark.com/nba/championship-odds.. Celtics are the top favorites, but with this big news, I doubt they will stay as the top favorite, so I think getting the Warriors still gives the best value.

As expected, the Boston Celtics will be an early favorite to win the championship this 22-23 season but I don't think that they will be playing the same with the temporary coach this time, the trust and experience of Ime Udoka is vital for the team but their situation is different now because he's been suspended.

Too bad for those who bet early before this issue surfaced, I bet that the GS Warriors will be standing at the top of heavy favorites again.

That could change though, yes they are the early favorite but as we all know, Udoka will no longer helm them at this point. So for sure the bookies will have to update their favorite now and maybe relegate the Boston Celtics to somewhere in the middle because of this development.

I haven't check the odds though, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Warriors as defending champions will be the favorite despite many role players leaving them.
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September 24, 2022, 04:24:19 PM
Yes, there's no problem with that. I'm just seeing most of the fans have talked about that before but it's no longer a problem. Everyone has to end their journey with their championship team and has to be traded away if that's the management's decision.

They cannot keep them all anyway even if they wanted too. Their salary is bound to go up and if GSW keeps them, they would be over the cap and will be paying a lot of luxury tax. It would not be a wise move. They have to make a choice who to let go and who to keep.
Well, that's right.

They'll have that salary cap and that's why some of them has to let go and be traded. As a player goes into a championship, I guess that they're also bound to increase their salaries and contracts.

And the GSW management can't keep with that and maybe, that's a brilliant thing for some of those that wanted to increase their salary but, they'll no longer be part of that great championship team that they've been part of.
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September 24, 2022, 03:44:20 PM
I think it was a franchise rule that he broke. And I think it is normal that they would suspend him since he is married and still had a consensual relationship with female staff. Other organizations would do that as well to avoid scandal.

I don't think it's a normal situation.  These types of affairs get swept under the rug all the time.  You hear about Steve Nash learning about his wife's cheating when their baby was born black?  How about Delonte West supposedly having sex with LeBron's mother to get back at him for mouthing off in practice?  I could go on and on...  Tony Parker, Nick Young, Matt Barnes, etc...  There have been lots of incidents that were never acknowledged by teams or led to suspensions (although Delonte West got blackballed). 

This is clearly a situation with some extraordinary circumstances.  Every sports journalist is out there trying to figure this out to report on it.  I'm sure we'll hear something soon.
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September 24, 2022, 01:19:55 PM
Well, sad to say about the GSW, they didn't managed to keep the whole championship roster that they've got before as they need to release a few of them and do some trades.

I don't think that's a problem for Golden State Warriors as their core lineup is still intact.

Yes, I agree that those who departed are key players but not to the extent that releasing them will turn this team into the worst one.
Yes, there's no problem with that. I'm just seeing most of the fans have talked about that before but it's no longer a problem. Everyone has to end their journey with their championship team and has to be traded away if that's the management's decision.

They cannot keep them all anyway even if they wanted too. Their salary is bound to go up and if GSW keeps them, they would be over the cap and will be paying a lot of luxury tax. It would not be a wise move. They have to make a choice who to let go and who to keep.


Maybe the NBA have established another rule regarding fellow staff members/players in the same team because of the past issues, I don't really know if there's a rule like that exist in the league but that seems the case as why would coach Ime Udoka be suspended for the whole season. Surely, the team will be affected and it's too unfortunate because they had a good run last season.

I think it was a franchise rule that he broke. And I think it is normal that they would suspend him since he is married and still had a consensual relationship with female staff. Other organizations would do that as well to avoid scandal.





Yeah there basically was no choice.  If they didn't do something drastic they would be blamed for supporting cheating.  In the world we live in of cancel culture, anything that might be a moral wrong doing the teams are just steering clear of.  They are a for profit club in the end, and don't want to risk losing out on ticket sales, merchandise, TV deals, etc.  Sad but it's more about the bottom line than probably theor stance on what he did.
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