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He already won their first 3-peat so there's nothing to proved at that point. He was the famous basketball player that time so we understand where he is coming from. No more competition and the passion is not there.

But when he quit he continue his sports, go to baseball (minor league), didn't work out, then decided to make a NBA comeback and chase their second 3-peat. Of course he still made a lot of money for his second comeback and again quiet his detractors the second time around.

Great summary. I am sorry I don't have the merits anymore. Could have gave you some.

Father's death.
Media making fuss that it was the Mafia which hit them.
Media made MJ the apple of their eye.
Gambling issues which should just be normal but was exaggerated by the media.
Exhaustion.

Sum it up. It is like 70 percent of it is the media's fault.
2 years out. It could be a strategy or he was just really tired. Again with just conspiracy theories. We don't know what he is feeling back then.
He could be devastated with all that is happening around him. He just want to have fun with all the money he made.

Despite all of this we all know he love basketball more than any sports.
He still came back and made history.
All that negativity around him should be buried. I think that is what he really want to say.
He used all of that emotion to strengthen him and proved it on the basketball floor.

 From watching the series I get the understand that Jordan was getting tired of the game already, he was basically relieved that the season was over, he should have been the happiest person alive to be the best player on a team that had three in a row, yet he looked more like "it is finally over", I think that plays a lot into him quitting basketball, when you see your job as something that is hurting you instead of seeing it as something fun, you start to question, and when you are as rich as Jordan and even when you stop you have a stream of income that still hasn't stopped in 2020, I guess it is only reasonable to quit whenever you want because you don't have to work, its not like he has to put food on the table by going to work, dude was a millionaire, he was making tens of millions outside of basketball every year. So combine that freedom to quit and that much money plus all the media backlash and all the troubles, it made sense for him to quit.

^ Dude lost his father and he wanted to play baseball in his loving memory, why did anyone made that about gambling debts I would never know. I mean think about it, let's say Michael gambled more than he can chew, he owed some mafia people some money for losing a lot of games, in tunes of millions of dollars let's say, how does Mike quitting basketball for 2 years would really solve that issue? How could he pay them back if he quits?

What is the reasoning behind saying that Jordan had a gambling problem and he quit basketball? Like what is the connection? Shouldn't he played even more and get a lot more endorsement deals, accept all the money he was offered just so he could pay the gambling debt if that was the case? Quitting basketball and gambling addiction really has no connection in my mind what so ever, like literally zero connections.

And he has the money to gamble playing golf with his friends and how much per hole they are talking about? $10k? Jordan can sustain it because he has the money as per Stern. And Jordan didn't talk to media but he prove himself by winning against the tough NY Knicks and winning the championship that year. Jordan is really competitive in every aspect, and he will not just wanted to beat you, but choke you as well. Lol.

There is goes, just as I thought. Thank you.
Thank to you too for the broad expanation.
Yeah, it is just a conspiracy theory and this happens with stars that are on the top.
Maybe he got some problems with managers or whoever is handling him and that starts a fire to attack against him.
It did happen with Kobe too, the rape case. People who want money from stars.

Yeah, Jerome Krause do really want them all out and I think he is just using the age of them as a reason behind it.
Damn even Phil Jackson is in his prime at that time and they given him just a year of contract.
It sucks, but look what he did, he went to Lakers and gave them a championship.

You are right, we cannot see his defense on the stats but we who are watching him play, we will see it, I've seen how Seth Played and I like how he does his defense on his opponent, we can trust him and he is a cold blooded shooter as well.

Nah, nothing like that was mentioned in the episode 6. That is still just a rumor, nothing else. I think that the reason  for that break is more simple- pressure due all that gambling affair thing + death of father.  As they mentioned in the documentary, when you are so successful and popular as Jordan was back then, people will get annoyed and will start all kinds of crazy theories, and will look for affairs. After all, what is wrong with him wanting to get away for one evening and gamble a bit?

One thing I don't get is Pippen. I understand that he was annoyed with the bad contract he had, but it is his fault for signing up such a long one, no one else to blame. He wanted to play it safe and secure himself in case of injury, but later he wanted increase, something that owner wasn't obliged to do. You can't have it both ways. Maybe it is unfair, but that helped Bulls to build such a competitive team, by having their 2nd best player underpaid.

Kukoc finally got few minutes in ep 5, as I expected when 1992 Dream Team was mentioned. His career was hampered due that stupid Pippen&Jordan vs Krause feud..that was an asshole thing to do. Just a glimpse of Kukoc, and what kind of player he was, his clutch shot for win vs Pacers, after Reggie Miller started celebrating too early 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUTfJlezXPY

NBA considering starting the 2020-21 season on Christmas, and then running through July or August, report says

So when would the 2020-21 season begin? Nothing is finalized yet, but according to Shams Charania of The Athletic, it could potentially be as late as Christmas. The NBA has long used Christmas as a marquee date for regular-season matchups, and due to the 2011 lockout, the 2011-12 season actually did begin on Christmas.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-considering-starting-the-2020-21-season-on-christmas-and-then-running-through-july-or-august-report-says/

I'm halfway to finish watching the episode six.

Michael gambling just to free he's mind a couple of hours in basketball with his father after an upset loss.

After all the gamblings he did, and media/talks about it.

"Stern: No penalties for Jordan; case closed"

You damn spoiler!  I haven't watched it yet bisdak40! 

Well if that is true then  there are a lot of reason for him to do it.
First is the death of his Dad.
That was all a "big question" to all of us.
It is really done by the Mafia or Michael is already having problems financially due to his gambling addiction and his Dad was just dragged by it.

But all of this are still conspiracy as I read thru some articles.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/michael-jordan-gambling-conspiracy-theory/1y9xdyy6nknb1wmv5rqlwvmjn

Is it said in the 6th episode that it is the truth?

They know because his father is a good shooter, it's in the blood man and these guys are trained early in basketball with the guidance of an NBA player who are sharp shooter as well.

I would prefer Steph too, Seth hasn't proven anything yet, he needs to bring his team to the Championship and win, unfortunately, being a fan of this sport, I haven't seen a brother who both made a success in the NBA like winning a championship with their respective teams.

Hi @Reid, i have watched episode 6 of The Last Dance where Michael Jordan was brought to controversy because of his gambling and i have read somewhere that his retirement from the NBA on the 1993-95 season was not truly a retirement. It was some sort of punishment/suspension by the late Commissioner Stern of his gambling activities.

Being an NBA enthusiast for a long time now, what's your opinion above?

Seth curry was literally the second highest 3%pt before the season was ended short, the only player who shot better than him was George Hill and he shot half as much as Seth, while Seth has 300 shots, George had 150, give him another 150 shots and I see him going under Seth for sure. Seth was also third in 3%pt last season, he was only behind Danny Green who somehow had a career year with Raptors when he joined them, and Joe Harris who we all know is a laser sharpshooter. So long story short Seth is an unbelievable three point shooter, so is Steph, I don't know whats up with that family but they know how to shoot.

Obviously we would all prefer Steph if presented with the choice, but if I can get Seth on my team, any team, I would, dude just makes a big big big threat on three point line that not many people can, so he has this auro to him that draws defenders to him, that is always super important.

If compared to players, it would be like Jason Kidd for me.
Add a little extra on the offense with his three point shots since Kidd is not that good behind that line unless free.

Lebron is like a dunker on the early stage of his career.
Good looking Luka Doncic is already a playmaker at his young age. With more experience he will make more highlights just like Kidd did using unbelievable assists.

Yeah, man I agree. It is not about the stats that define the entirety of the player, well, stats really are a huge factor but sometimes the effectivity can be seen and judge by your own eyes on how you see someone play the game.

However, Mavs doesn't need a new generation of splash brothers the way I see how Luka play, he seemed like LeBron, not literally as solid as Bron but he got somehow the picture of it, the way he pass and how he drives, and the IQ. Seth on the other hand is reliable downtown, and in defense as well but the right side kick for Luka is Porzingis. But whatever these 3 man can shoot anyway. It is just that they have to discover their own chemistry, and on how they can maximize each other capabilities without bothering themselves to be as alike as splash brothers.

Yeah and that is cool.
Luka must really play like that so that whenever he is out with an injury he could still expect a good fight from his team mates due to the chemistry that he made.

They might not be the strongest in the West but who knows. They really do have a chance if they will fight hard even with those LA teams.
Just difficult to think on who will defend Kawhi or Lebron if ever they will face this monsters.  
Luka can't do that since he will need to save all that energy for his offensive attack.

But, if it is Dallas against Denver, we might see a great game.

Although I really don't know Luka but I can judge on his face that he is having fun playing with his teammates, he is a star and he is not like other superstars that likes to take all the credit themselves, the reason why the Mavericks is very successful now is because of their chemistry, players on the floor are confident with what they will do, even the big mans now are providing quality minutes, so I can expect that once they will be in the playoffs, they will always have a shot even if they will be the dog.

The way he shows he's competitiveness bring him back to Dallas, Seth giving quality minutes for the Mavs he's helping Luka in terms of providing points creating space and additional options for their offensive attacks. He's very effective whenever he's inside the court.
The management is building good chemistry, we can all see that with how Luka appreciates everyone and enjoy playing alongside with his teammates.

I think that is because he proved something to the Dallas Mavericks management.
Some management tend to make errors like this.

IMO, it is not the stats of Seth for me. It is how he moves on that floor whenever there is a call for defense.
That cannot be seen on records but scouts do take note of that.
Keep him, that is all I wish. Make them the new generation of splash brothers.