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Quote from: danherbias07 on May 10, 2020, 07:13:34 AM

That's basketball, no one stays forever in a team, if he is not as effective as expected, the team will look for a replace or probably to trade a player to get a player that they think will help to improve the team.

Kuzma's minutes have dropped and so his stats. maybe because he was injured and he is still finding a way to get back to normal or his old self
but the stats would never lie.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kuzmaky01.html

Good point.
Although there will be teams that would like Kuzma.
Yeah, I might take him in exchange of a role player.
He is young and can still be forged to a better player. Even a star someday. He have the height and good shooting percentage. Just lacking in strength and experience.

Look at Clarkson, thrown into different teams but still growing. Hard work pays off.

Definitely, man. Problem here is that fans are taking the game as important as their feelings, well not bad for loving the player but the game ain't kind of personal bonds, he should play what the team needs otherwise doors are widely open for a deserving spots, might be harsh at some point but it is what it is. And if so, if Kuz can't play what he supposed to do, and barely contribute to the team objectives anymore then he must be send out in exchange of a player that can fill in what the team lacks off, it is for the good after all. And the boy might improved to his new team. Less drama, more chances of improving.

I think Clarkson's contract will expire this year, and with the way he played with the Jazz, I think a lot of team will be going for him, one of them might be the Lakers as they really need a good 2nd unit and Clarkson can lead that 2nd unit and give some explosion while James and Davis are resting.

Yes, Clarkson's contract will end this year, https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/Jordan-Clarkson-15398/

And I agree that he is really a perfect fit for the Jazz. Initially though, there were a lot of questions whether he can blend well for the Utah team. But we already see that he adjusted very well and the coach has given him time to play. So I think the Jazz will offer him a good deal after his contract expires.

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Quote from: freedomgo on May 10, 2020, 05:38:29 AM

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Plus the Warriors had their worst post season with the Injuries. When Leonard left Toronto, nothing changes, they're still strong and intact.
But, I can't also deny that Leonard is one of the best in this era. Yes, he is underrated because of some reasons I mentioned above.
Remember when LeBron left Cleveland for the first time? When he Left Miami? Then, back to Cleveland, and then left Cleveland again. When he left, the organization automatically turns into a lottery team. That's what LeBron is different from Leonard.

It's hard to compete when there's an excuses, the warriors had a bad playoffs due to injury, but that was just part of the game.
Why people are not talking about the Spurs chances to beat warriors when Leonard was injured during their match up years ago?

Definitely not an excuse.
They are the worst this year.
Injuries from splash brothers, then Green also went to an injury. Iggy finished his contract then Livingston retiring.
That's a lot.
An overhaul is needed and it became a team which I don't really recognize players. Grin

Leonard is something else.
He is being paid that high because he can do it all.
He can make plays, shoot threes, penetrate and also doing hardcore defense. Leaving Raptors might be a bad look for the crowd specially the Canadian fans but he just want to play at his hometown.
Luckily, Nick Nurse can adjust the plays even without Leonard which is cool.

He leaved because it is what he wants, there is a rumors before that one of his major fans offer him a free penthouse just to stay with the Toronto but he did not accept the offer and he chose to play in another team and that is why he is now in Clippers. Yes he is good that is why the Lakers are having a hard time to beat the Clippers because of what Leonard can do but the only problem is the not good relationship between Leonard and Paul George because it affects the overall strength,plays and power of the team.

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Plus the Warriors had their worst post season with the Injuries. When Leonard left Toronto, nothing changes, they're still strong and intact.
But, I can't also deny that Leonard is one of the best in this era. Yes, he is underrated because of some reasons I mentioned above.
Remember when LeBron left Cleveland for the first time? When he Left Miami? Then, back to Cleveland, and then left Cleveland again. When he left, the organization automatically turns into a lottery team. That's what LeBron is different from Leonard.

It's hard to compete when there's an excuses, the warriors had a bad playoffs due to injury, but that was just part of the game.
Why people are not talking about the Spurs chances to beat warriors when Leonard was injured during their match up years ago?

Definitely not an excuse.
They are the worst this year.
Injuries from splash brothers, then Green also went to an injury. Iggy finished his contract then Livingston retiring.
That's a lot.
An overhaul is needed and it became a team which I don't really recognize players. Grin

Leonard is something else.
He is being paid that high because he can do it all.
He can make plays, shoot threes, penetrate and also doing hardcore defense. Leaving Raptors might be a bad look for the crowd specially the Canadian fans but he just want to play at his hometown.
Luckily, Nick Nurse can adjust the plays even without Leonard which is cool.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on May 10, 2020, 01:20:05 AM

Despite's of Leonard success of bringing the team into championship and win the title, I can say that he is still an underrated player.
If people will be ask now who is their best player in the NBA, the names like Harden, Curry, James, and Westbrook will usually be the answer.

Maybe it's time for Leonard to prove again that he can win championship with his new team now.

What makes him underrated is the fact that when he won championship with the Spurs he had Duncan, Parker, and Manu. All of them were a hall of famer. Then, when he got in Toronto he won a championship again, not only because of him, It's because his teammates stepped up. Vanvleet, Siakam, and most of their teammates contributed to their success.

His teammates with the Raptors are not hall of famer, so he prove that he can win a championship without a superstar teammates.
Well, during his time with the Spurs, Manu, Duncan and parker are hall of famers but he lead the team because he won the Finals MVP that time, and he was still very young at that time, don't know if he is the youngest NBA player who won an NBA finals award.

Quote from: Ziskinberg on May 10, 2020, 01:20:05 AM

Plus the Warriors had their worst post season with the Injuries. When Leonard left Toronto, nothing changes, they're still strong and intact.
But, I can't also deny that Leonard is one of the best in this era. Yes, he is underrated because of some reasons I mentioned above.
Remember when LeBron left Cleveland for the first time? When he Left Miami? Then, back to Cleveland, and then left Cleveland again. When he left, the organization automatically turns into a lottery team. That's what LeBron is different from Leonard.

It's hard to compete when there's an excuses, the warriors had a bad playoffs due to injury, but that was just part of the game.
Why people are not talking about the Spurs chances to beat warriors when Leonard was injured during their match up years ago?

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Despite's of Leonard success of bringing the team into championship and win the title, I can say that he is still an underrated player.
If people will be ask now who is their best player in the NBA, the names like Harden, Curry, James, and Westbrook will usually be the answer.

Maybe it's time for Leonard to prove again that he can win championship with his new team now.

What makes him underrated is the fact that when he won championship with the Spurs he had Duncan, Parker, and Manu. All of them were a hall of famer. Then, when he got in Toronto he won a championship again, not only because of him, It's because his teammates stepped up. Vanvleet, Siakam, and most of their teammates contributed to their success. Plus the Warriors had their worst post season with the Injuries. When Leonard left Toronto, nothing changes, they're still strong and intact.
But, I can't also deny that Leonard is one of the best in this era. Yes, he is underrated because of some reasons I mentioned above.
Remember when LeBron left Cleveland for the first time? When he Left Miami? Then, back to Cleveland, and then left Cleveland again. When he left, the organization automatically turns into a lottery team. That's what LeBron is different from Leonard.

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Quote from: Rikafip on May 10, 2020, 04:13:32 AM

Definitely, man. Problem here is that fans are taking the game as important as their feelings, well not bad for loving the player but the game ain't kind of personal bonds, he should play what the team needs otherwise doors are widely open for a deserving spots, might be harsh at some point but it is what it is. And if so, if Kuz can't play what he supposed to do, and barely contribute to the team objectives anymore then he must be send out in exchange of a player that can fill in what the team lacks off, it is for the good after all. And the boy might improved to his new team. Less drama, more chances of improving.

Oh yeah! that happens and the media will try to make it look like a big deal. The drama. Grin

But before Kuzma will be kicked out there, I hope he will show some tenacity showcasing his skills.
That way, he could get better offer. Money is still important and that boosts a lot of confidence for young players if they know they are paid well. Grin

Bogdanovic is in Utah now, Pacers let him go last year as they didn't offer him contract

It may be because they think Oladipo will be in great shape after coming back.
Or, are they just not really in the goal of a championship?

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Quote from: Daniel91 on May 10, 2020, 03:17:34 AM

Pacers hasn't been an exciting team anymore, the last time I remember they were really competing was during the time of PG, David West, Hibbert, George Hill, and Lance Stephenson.

That was good team indeed, that reached conference finals 2 times, and semifinals once, all those losses were against Miami, who were crazy good back then, with LeBron and Wade. Last few years they went out in the first round, and without Oladipo playing at previous level, this might happen this season as well.

If its Pacers, then it would be the Miller time or the East Finals team brawlers composed of Artest, Jackson, Jermaine. Grin

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legendary NBA center Shaquille O'Neal says league leadership should cancel current nba season and prepare new nby season.
He believes that player safety is the most important.
Also, the disruption of the competition has disrupted everything and many players have fallen out of the competitive rhythm so the continuation of the competition could result in unexpected results.
Source: https://www.index.hr/sport/clanak/shaq-treba-otkazati-nba-sezonu-sto-ako-pobijedi-netko-tko-nije-trebao/2181759.aspx

With around 17-20 games remainig to finish the season, and for the playoffs to start may conclude over a couple of weeks/months. They can still have breaks after, till new season starts. So resetting it, would be a total waste of an effort for those teams, players and the entire organization on attaining their current spot. It ain't a problem to reset such season if the league haven't reach the half of total games a season has but this? Is kind of a thing that should not be approved, not even considering, IMO.

Talk about rhythm and so whatever it is. They can get it back with the remaining games plus an extensive practice but to lose their current record specially those in top list, and closest to clinching the playoffs is kind of a big deal.

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I think Clarkson's contract will expire this year, and with the way he played with the Jazz, I think a lot of team will be going for him, one of them might be the Lakers as they really need a good 2nd unit and Clarkson can lead that 2nd unit and give some explosion while James and Davis are resting.

He might be going nowhere except Jazz. He did better in his start though so I don't think Jazz with let that man go easily. Clarkson is kind of a player who's reliable off the bench. He is an asset, and with Conley playing rough a lot lately, he might switch off to Clarkson as a bench player, who knows he might get the spot for a starting line up. In addition, AFAIK, Clarkson is a candidate back then for NBA Sixth Man Of The Year.

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I mean, they know they are strong in the defensive end but it needs to be balanced.
They want offense and Bogdanovic is the answer which caught a lot of attention.

Bogdanovic is in Utah now, Pacers let him go last year as they didn't offer him contract (rumour was that he would stay if Pacers matched offers from other teams, as he really liked the team) Probably they couldn't pay him and bring Brogdon, that was their priority, so Jazz got very good player for cheap price, and 18 million per year for 20 ppg (he had similar numbers in Pacers as well after Oladipo got injured)player is very good price in this inflated market. Salary cup might go down though, due all this corona mess.

If they'll be able to get Bogdanović that would be a great decision by the team, I think the Lakers are also interested with him, so let's see who will get him first, but the Lakers are already a good team so I hope Pacers will be able to improve if they can get Bogdanović.

I don't think that Pacers will go again for Bogdanovic, it wouldn't make sense to trade for him now since they let him go. First time i hear this Lakers - Bogdanovic thing, I had no idea that they are interested in him. Who would they give anyway as Jazz won't let him go easily, considering how good he is there.

Quote from: Daniel91 on May 10, 2020, 03:17:34 AM

Pacers hasn't been an exciting team anymore, the last time I remember they were really competing was during the time of PG, David West, Hibbert, George Hill, and Lance Stephenson.

That was good team indeed, that reached conference finals 2 times, and semifinals once, all those losses were against Miami, who were crazy good back then, with LeBron and Wade. Last few years they went out in the first round, and without Oladipo playing at previous level, this might happen this season as well.

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legendary NBA center Shaquille O'Neal says league leadership should cancel current nba season and prepare new nby season.
He believes that player safety is the most important.
Also, the disruption of the competition has disrupted everything and many players have fallen out of the competitive rhythm so the continuation of the competition could result in unexpected results.
Source: https://www.index.hr/sport/clanak/shaq-treba-otkazati-nba-sezonu-sto-ako-pobijedi-netko-tko-nije-trebao/2181759.aspx

Easier to said that actually, but in the part of the owner, they are now thinking to survive or to at least get their loses. If the Vaccine will not be produce for at least a year, then is it safe to assume that there's no NBA for a year? I mean, Shaquille O'Neal is already talking about the next season, how sure he is that the vaccine will be available by that time?

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legendary NBA center Shaquille O'Neal says league leadership should cancel current nba season and prepare new nby season.
He believes that player safety is the most important.
Also, the disruption of the competition has disrupted everything and many players have fallen out of the competitive rhythm so the continuation of the competition could result in unexpected results.
Source: https://www.index.hr/sport/clanak/shaq-treba-otkazati-nba-sezonu-sto-ako-pobijedi-netko-tko-nije-trebao/2181759.aspx

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That's basketball, no one stays forever in a team, if he is not as effective as expected, the team will look for a replace or probably to trade a player to get a player that they think will help to improve the team.

Kuzma's minutes have dropped and so his stats. maybe because he was injured and he is still finding a way to get back to normal or his old self
but the stats would never lie.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kuzmaky01.html

Good point.
Although there will be teams that would like Kuzma.
Yeah, I might take him in exchange of a role player.
He is young and can still be forged to a better player. Even a star someday. He have the height and good shooting percentage. Just lacking in strength and experience.

Look at Clarkson, thrown into different teams but still growing. Hard work pays off.

Definitely, man. Problem here is that fans are taking the game as important as their feelings, well not bad for loving the player but the game ain't kind of personal bonds, he should play what the team needs otherwise doors are widely open for a deserving spots, might be harsh at some point but it is what it is. And if so, if Kuz can't play what he supposed to do, and barely contribute to the team objectives anymore then he must be send out in exchange of a player that can fill in what the team lacks off, it is for the good after all. And the boy might improved to his new team. Less drama, more chances of improving.

I think Clarkson's contract will expire this year, and with the way he played with the Jazz, I think a lot of team will be going for him, one of them might be the Lakers as they really need a good 2nd unit and Clarkson can lead that 2nd unit and give some explosion while James and Davis are resting.

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Quote from: Golftech on May 08, 2020, 08:42:47 AM

That's basketball, no one stays forever in a team, if he is not as effective as expected, the team will look for a replace or probably to trade a player to get a player that they think will help to improve the team.

Kuzma's minutes have dropped and so his stats. maybe because he was injured and he is still finding a way to get back to normal or his old self
but the stats would never lie.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kuzmaky01.html

Good point.
Although there will be teams that would like Kuzma.
Yeah, I might take him in exchange of a role player.
He is young and can still be forged to a better player. Even a star someday. He have the height and good shooting percentage. Just lacking in strength and experience.

Look at Clarkson, thrown into different teams but still growing. Hard work pays off.

Definitely, man. Problem here is that fans are taking the game as important as their feelings, well not bad for loving the player but the game ain't kind of personal bonds, he should play what the team needs otherwise doors are widely open for a deserving spots, might be harsh at some point but it is what it is. And if so, if Kuz can't play what he supposed to do, and barely contribute to the team objectives anymore then he must be send out in exchange of a player that can fill in what the team lacks off, it is for the good after all. And the boy might improved to his new team. Less drama, more chances of improving.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on May 07, 2020, 09:04:20 PM

Quote from: chaser15 on May 07, 2020, 06:15:41 PM

Just imagined if Sixers have a good backup on the bench and not just the team is revolving around Embiid and Simmons. They can likely dominate the East.

They can improve if they want but let's give that win to the Raptors, I also bet on the Sixers to win against that series but the Raptors are just the stronger team and they have a better chemistry than the Sixers, I admire that they trust Leonard and Leonard also trust his teammates, that's their secret to success.

That last shot of Kawhai gave them the revenge way back against AI, same with your opinion it's really the chemistry that brings the win for the Raptors
each players inside the court really contribute, Kawhai leads them the right way and players around him really play the role to help him.
Raptors deserve that win we seen that from how they've fought for the title.

Despite's of Leonard success of bringing the team into championship and win the title, I can say that he is still an underrated player.
If people will be ask now who is their best player in the NBA, the names like Harden, Curry, James, and Westbrook will usually be the answer.

Maybe it's time for Leonard to prove again that he can win championship with his new team now.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on May 09, 2020, 08:38:08 PM

That's basketball, no one stays forever in a team, if he is not as effective as expected, the team will look for a replace or probably to trade a player to get a player that they think will help to improve the team.

Kuzma's minutes have dropped and so his stats. maybe because he was injured and he is still finding a way to get back to normal or his old self
but the stats would never lie.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kuzmaky01.html

Good point.
Although there will be teams that would like Kuzma.
Yeah, I might take him in exchange of a role player.
He is young and can still be forged to a better player. Even a star someday. He have the height and good shooting percentage. Just lacking in strength and experience.

Look at Clarkson, thrown into different teams but still growing. Hard work pays off.

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on May 09, 2020, 11:58:57 AM

If somehow they can open the leagues back up very late, you guys think warriors would still play Curry and Klay if they are healed? I mean I don't know the exact time line on when they will be back, back in the day it was said that "closed out the season" and stuff like that but honestly the season would have been over anyway. So lets say the season gets back on track on July first, would they even play? Because there is no way they can go to playoffs now, they are waaaay bottom right now to ever make the playoffs, which means is there even a reason to play them even if they play? Maybe it could be for getting back in shape reasons, like put them on the bench and make them play like 12 minutes a game so they can get back in game shape and not be out for too long, but aside from that I do not see a reason for them to play honestly. That is even if league comes back this summer of course.

I reckon that it might be good for team and player to avoid risks for Curry. They are out of the playoffs irregardless hehehe.

In any case, who should be blamed for the coronavirus? NBA would be in the playoffs today if this did not spread.

With GS out of it and everyone not game ready (I dont care how much you train), there is no way you rush klay back. End the season and call it a day. Be interesting how it plays out though

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Quote from: Captain Corporate on May 09, 2020, 11:58:57 AM

If somehow they can open the leagues back up very late, you guys think warriors would still play Curry and Klay if they are healed? I mean I don't know the exact time line on when they will be back, back in the day it was said that "closed out the season" and stuff like that but honestly the season would have been over anyway. So lets say the season gets back on track on July first, would they even play? Because there is no way they can go to playoffs now, they are waaaay bottom right now to ever make the playoffs, which means is there even a reason to play them even if they play? Maybe it could be for getting back in shape reasons, like put them on the bench and make them play like 12 minutes a game so they can get back in game shape and not be out for too long, but aside from that I do not see a reason for them to play honestly. That is even if league comes back this summer of course.

I reckon that it might be good for team and player to avoid risks for Curry. They are out of the playoffs irregardless hehehe.

In any case, who should be blamed for the coronavirus? NBA would be in the playoffs today if this did not spread.

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Quote from: Oasisman on May 09, 2020, 06:49:19 PM

Quote from: Questat on May 08, 2020, 06:38:11 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on May 08, 2020, 05:41:22 AM

NBA might not be cancelled this year but it may not play sooner.

There is no need for a crowd to witness the game, as long its live that would be enough and it doesn't matter if we pay for it as long as we will see a real game.

That's what most us NBA fans are craving for. This lockdown is really killing us and bored af. We need something to entertain ourselves by watching our favorite sports live.
I really hope the NBA is pushing the season to continue. I have heard some of the facilities were open and ready to be use for the players. Tbh, that H.O.R.S.E challenge didn't really entertain me, I feel like I really need to watch the usual NBA action.
Of course, the NBA should consider some tight health security measures to avoid the spread inside the league.

We all agree to that, considering the health securities of both players and all those people involved around them, since chances that the league may proceed and resumes is there, the only thing right now is how the management can still gain profits if physical distancing still needed as the spread of this virus continue threatening everyone.

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Quote from: Questat on May 08, 2020, 06:38:11 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on May 08, 2020, 05:41:22 AM

NBA might not be cancelled this year but it may not play sooner.

There is no need for a crowd to witness the game, as long its live that would be enough and it doesn't matter if we pay for it as long as we will see a real game.

That's what most us NBA fans are craving for. This lockdown is really killing us and bored af. We need something to entertain ourselves by watching our favorite sports live.
I really hope the NBA is pushing the season to continue. I have heard some of the facilities were open and ready to be use for the players. Tbh, that H.O.R.S.E challenge didn't really entertain me, I feel like I really need to watch the usual NBA action.
Of course, the NBA should consider some tight health security measures to avoid the spread inside the league.

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Quote from: ultrloa on May 09, 2020, 05:07:57 PM

I as a fan will be upset if they will do this and trade for kuz anywhere since it means they cannot win by their own since they recruit other firepower to help them out.

That's basketball, no one stays forever in a team, if he is not as effective as expected, the team will look for a replace or probably to trade a player to get a player that they think will help to improve the team.

Kuzma's minutes have dropped and so his stats. maybe because he was injured and he is still finding a way to get back to normal or his old self
but the stats would never lie.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kuzmaky01.html

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Quote from: danherbias07 on May 09, 2020, 11:39:56 AM