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You forgot to mention something more recent and verifiable, Irving couldn't even led the Cavs when Lebron was out during these last years. The Cavs record when Lebron missed games is atrocious to the point that it's even on par or worse than those older campaigns. Kyrie is not a leader that's for sure but he's trying to carve his own path, he's very young and I'm sure he can do it but he hasn't proven that yet.

Oh that's right why I missed it lol. One of the good example here is the Cavaliers worst record when Lebron James is out of the court. It was also being discussed this recent season because it was really noticeable that Cavaliers aren't playing well without (only) Lebron James.

But then things must changed now because Kyrie will surely left. And like I said, Kyrie must prove it's leadership next season to avoid taking criticism too much.

Something must happened internally with Lebron or who knows because I think he should have stay at least one more year. There's a strong case saying that Lebron will leave next year so that way the Cavs would be in full rebuilding mode (maybe forever if Lebron leaves again). Now it's all up in the air and the Cavs have to find a good trade for him without a lot of time or assets.

But well, we can't blame him, his heart is already elsewhere, he wants to start something on his own and he already won a championship. To me that's pretty respectable compared to Durant decision for example...

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Quote from: mtnsaa on August 03, 2017, 04:22:48 PM

You forgot to mention something more recent and verifiable, Irving couldn't even led the Cavs when Lebron was out during these last years. The Cavs record when Lebron missed games is atrocious to the point that it's even on par or worse than those older campaigns. Kyrie is not a leader that's for sure but he's trying to carve his own path, he's very young and I'm sure he can do it but he hasn't proven that yet.

Oh that's right why I missed it lol. One of the good example here is the Cavaliers worst record when Lebron James is out of the court. It was also being discussed this recent season because it was really noticeable that Cavaliers aren't playing well without (only) Lebron James.

But then things must changed now because Kyrie will surely left. And like I said, Kyrie must prove it's leadership next season to avoid taking criticism too much.

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You have a nice thoughts there. But may I know where sources it came from? Or just an own analyzation of yours?

Quote from: Schuyler on August 03, 2017, 05:56:43 AM

He wants to be the man on his own team, and that is impossible to happen as long as he is alongside Lebron. 2018.

Kyrie is forgetting something if his goal is to lead a team.

He must remember that Kyrie owned Cleveland didnt make it to the playoffs even at 8th spot for years before Lebron James arrival. They suffer worst record for many season and you can't blame his teammate here because they are not the only one who have the worst roster on the East back then.

Ok let's see then. If he think he can lead a team now after those years then he must prove it to avoid critisicm.

I love Kyrie as a Cavs fan but I remember those days and you are absolutely right. Granted the team was lacking a lot of talent with Waiters and Thompson (who were terrible back then) and roster full of unknowns.

You forgot to mention something more recent and verifiable, Irving couldn't even led the Cavs when Lebron was out during these last years. The Cavs record when Lebron missed games is atrocious to the point that it's even on par or worse than those older campaigns. Kyrie is not a leader that's for sure but he's trying to carve his own path, he's very young and I'm sure he can do it but he hasn't proven that yet.

Well it may be beyond simply having his own team. I don't think kyrie's that dumb to think that he can carry a team to the status of the current cavs. Yeah he's matured more than that kid trying to carry his team but i think he's just feeling he needs to move or or he wants change. Who knows, at this stage he may be able to carry his own team on ti the off season. He's not the same as before so i think he is capable of carrying a team

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Quote from: harizen on August 03, 2017, 09:19:41 AM

@DIA7
You have a nice thoughts there. But may I know where sources it came from? Or just an own analyzation of yours?

Quote from: Schuyler on August 03, 2017, 05:56:43 AM

He wants to be the man on his own team, and that is impossible to happen as long as he is alongside Lebron. 2018.

Kyrie is forgetting something if his goal is to lead a team.

He must remember that Kyrie owned Cleveland didnt make it to the playoffs even at 8th spot for years before Lebron James arrival. They suffer worst record for many season and you can't blame his teammate here because they are not the only one who have the worst roster on the East back then.

Ok let's see then. If he think he can lead a team now after those years then he must prove it to avoid critisicm.

I love Kyrie as a Cavs fan but I remember those days and you are absolutely right. Granted the team was lacking a lot of talent with Waiters and Thompson (who were terrible back then) and roster full of unknowns.

You forgot to mention something more recent and verifiable, Irving couldn't even led the Cavs when Lebron was out during these last years. The Cavs record when Lebron missed games is atrocious to the point that it's even on par or worse than those older campaigns. Kyrie is not a leader that's for sure but he's trying to carve his own path, he's very young and I'm sure he can do it but he hasn't proven that yet.

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Quote from: harizen on August 03, 2017, 09:19:41 AM

@DIA7
You have a nice thoughts there. But may I know where sources it came from? Or just an own analyzation of yours?

Quote from: Schuyler on August 03, 2017, 05:56:43 AM

He wants to be the man on his own team, and that is impossible to happen as long as he is alongside Lebron. 2018.

Kyrie is forgetting something if his goal is to lead a team.

He must remember that Kyrie owned Cleveland didnt make it to the playoffs even at 8th spot for years before Lebron James arrival. They suffer worst record for many season and you can't blame his teammate here because they are not the only one who have the worst roster on the East back then.

Ok let's see then. If he think he can lead a team now after those years then he must prove it to avoid critisicm.

We are talking about a Kyrie Irving led Cleveland Cavaliers during his 2nd years and 3rd year as a pro in the NBA and you are expecting him to lead the team and make it to the playoffs without the help another player? From what I know Kyrie Irving is only one player and you are expecting him to make you go into playoffs even if he is the number 1 overall pick it does not mean he can be carrying the team without any help.

You clearly not getting the picture of what Im trying to point out. We are talking about East teams mate where going to 8th spot here is kinda more reachable than on the teams on the West if we based on those season I will mentioned below. Disregard him being the No. 1 overall pick as Im pointing about leading the team.

2011-2012 Season - Cavaliers finished at 13th spot on the East
2012-2013 Season - Cavaliers finished at 13th spot on the East
2014-2015 Season - Cavaliers finished at 10th spot on the East

Now do some reviews about their lineup back then and tell me if you can considered that as a weak team and can't compete with the East teams. That's why like I said to avoid criticism, after getting much more improvement he must show to everyone that he can now lead a team. (THIS WILL ONLY APPLIED IF THAT IS REALLY HIS GOAL FOR TRADE REQUEST)

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Quote from: harizen on August 03, 2017, 09:19:41 AM

@DIA7
You have a nice thoughts there. But may I know where sources it came from? Or just an own analyzation of yours?

Quote from: Schuyler on August 03, 2017, 05:56:43 AM

He wants to be the man on his own team, and that is impossible to happen as long as he is alongside Lebron. 2018.

Kyrie is forgetting something if his goal is to lead a team.

He must remember that Kyrie owned Cleveland didnt make it to the playoffs even at 8th spot for years before Lebron James arrival. They suffer worst record for many season and you can't blame his teammate here because they are not the only one who have the worst roster on the East back then.

Ok let's see then. If he think he can lead a team now after those years then he must prove it to avoid critisicm.

We are talking about a Kyrie Irving led Cleveland Cavaliers during his 2nd years and 3rd year as a pro in the NBA and you are expecting him to lead the team and make it to the playoffs without the help another player? From what I know Kyrie Irving is only one player and you are expecting him to make you go into playoffs even if he is the number 1 overall pick it does not mean he can be carrying the team without any help.

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@DIA7
You have a nice thoughts there. But may I know where sources it came from? Or just an own analyzation of yours?

Quote from: Schuyler on August 03, 2017, 05:56:43 AM

He wants to be the man on his own team, and that is impossible to happen as long as he is alongside Lebron. 2018.

Kyrie is forgetting something if his goal is to lead a team.

He must remember that Kyrie owned Cleveland didnt make it to the playoffs even at 8th spot for years before Lebron James arrival. They suffer worst record for many season and you can't blame his teammate here because they are not the only one who have the worst roster on the East back then.

Ok let's see then. If he think he can lead a team now after those years then he must prove it to avoid critisicm.

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I have a hunch that lebron and carmelo will be not in a chemistry and they will not perform their best if they are in a tag team. I think what cleveland needs is a good point guard like kyrie.

That is what i'm thinking too. Knowing that Lebron isn't the man who would give up the no.1 spot to his team mate, or the main start I should say. Not unless Melo would be fine as a secondary role and everything will be fine.

Melo knows that Lebron is much better than him so definitely he will give way and will play as a backup role with of course still having a isolation plays with him. He is the one who will landed to Cavaliers and not Lebron who will land to his currenet team(if ever) that's why there is no pride involved here and it will not be hard for that chemistry to build.

Remember Dwayne Wade? He is at his peak when Lebron came but look what happened even prior to that season of Miami Heat's Big 3, there is some question about how chemistry will be build on that team.

That's what Im seeing too. It's impossible that Melo will not changed his behaviour as lead player if ever he will be traded to Cavaliers. He already knows what to do and I don' think chemistry will be a problem.

Same with their rookie classmate, Dwayne Wade, Lebron and Carmelo knows their style already. They became teammates several times already in All-Star games, FIBA events and Olympic that's why I don't see any problem to that chemistry.

from what i concluded is that Lebron didn't like playing for the cavs when they couldn't sogn either Butler or Paul George, so his camp put out the trade request to try and then put the blame on Kyrie when it is actually Lebron's instability in making clear decisions that is making team goes apart. His refusal to commit to the team has made Kyrie ask for a trade and also has even Melo not wanting to go there now the knicks may still not found the best deal yet but they will if a team pushes harder to get him so Cleaveland need to work faster to stay at the top and get to the finals one more time before their time ends

I think Kyrie's decision to ask for a trade didn't hinge on whatever decision Lebron will make. Kyrie just doesn't want to play with Lebron and the Cavs anymore. Plain and simple. He wants to be the man on his own team, and that is impossible to happen as long as he is alongside Lebron. On the Carmelo issue, I think I read somewhere that he is willing to be traded but definitely not to the Cavs, because he knows that he might get stuck in a bad situation once the superstars become free agents in 2018.

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I have a hunch that lebron and carmelo will be not in a chemistry and they will not perform their best if they are in a tag team. I think what cleveland needs is a good point guard like kyrie.

That is what i'm thinking too. Knowing that Lebron isn't the man who would give up the no.1 spot to his team mate, or the main start I should say. Not unless Melo would be fine as a secondary role and everything will be fine.

Melo knows that Lebron is much better than him so definitely he will give way and will play as a backup role with of course still having a isolation plays with him. He is the one who will landed to Cavaliers and not Lebron who will land to his currenet team(if ever) that's why there is no pride involved here and it will not be hard for that chemistry to build.

Remember Dwayne Wade? He is at his peak when Lebron came but look what happened even prior to that season of Miami Heat's Big 3, there is some question about how chemistry will be build on that team.

That's what Im seeing too. It's impossible that Melo will not changed his behaviour as lead player if ever he will be traded to Cavaliers. He already knows what to do and I don' think chemistry will be a problem.

Same with their rookie classmate, Dwayne Wade, Lebron and Carmelo knows their style already. They became teammates several times already in All-Star games, FIBA events and Olympic that's why I don't see any problem to that chemistry.

from what i concluded is that Lebron didn't like playing for the cavs when they couldn't sogn either Butler or Paul George, so his camp put out the trade request to try and then put the blame on Kyrie when it is actually Lebron's instability in making clear decisions that is making team goes apart. His refusal to commit to the team has made Kyrie ask for a trade and also has even Melo not wanting to go there now the knicks may still not found the best deal yet but they will if a team pushes harder to get him so Cleaveland need to work faster to stay at the top and get to the finals one more time before their time ends

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Quote from: L00n3y on July 30, 2017, 03:49:34 PM

I have a hunch that lebron and carmelo will be not in a chemistry and they will not perform their best if they are in a tag team. I think what cleveland needs is a good point guard like kyrie.

That is what i'm thinking too. Knowing that Lebron isn't the man who would give up the no.1 spot to his team mate, or the main start I should say. Not unless Melo would be fine as a secondary role and everything will be fine.

Melo knows that Lebron is much better than him so definitely he will give way and will play as a backup role with of course still having a isolation plays with him. He is the one who will landed to Cavaliers and not Lebron who will land to his currenet team(if ever) that's why there is no pride involved here and it will not be hard for that chemistry to build.

Remember Dwayne Wade? He is at his peak when Lebron came but look what happened even prior to that season of Miami Heat's Big 3, there is some question about how chemistry will be build on that team.

That's what Im seeing too. It's impossible that Melo will not changed his behaviour as lead player if ever he will be traded to Cavaliers. He already knows what to do and I don' think chemistry will be a problem.

Same with their rookie classmate, Dwayne Wade, Lebron and Carmelo knows their style already. They became teammates several times already in All-Star games, FIBA events and Olympic that's why I don't see any problem to that chemistry.

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Quote from: Shinpako09 on July 30, 2017, 06:37:30 PM

Quote from: L00n3y on July 30, 2017, 03:49:34 PM

I have a hunch that lebron and carmelo will be not in a chemistry and they will not perform their best if they are in a tag team. I think what cleveland needs is a good point guard like kyrie.

That is what i'm thinking too. Knowing that Lebron isn't the man who would give up the no.1 spot to his team mate, or the main start I should say. Not unless Melo would be fine as a secondary role and everything will be fine.

Melo knows that Lebron is much better than him so definitely he will give way and will play as a backup role with of course still having a isolation plays with him. He is the one who will landed to Cavaliers and not Lebron who will land to his currenet team(if ever) that's why there is no pride involved here and it will not be hard for that chemistry to build.

Remember Dwayne Wade? He is at his peak when Lebron came but look what happened even prior to that season of Miami Heat's Big 3, there is some question about how chemistry will be build on that team.

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According to ESPN , the Cavaliers have received as many as 20 offers from teams interested in trading for the All-Star, but what the Cavs are asking for in return is far more than what teams are willing to give up.

"The Cavaliers want a package that resembles the 2011 Denver Nuggets-New York Knicks deal for Carmelo Anthony -- young players, win-now veterans and draft picks, league sources said. For new general manager Koby Altman, this is a textbook way to open trade discussions. But for now, most Irving suitors are using the Minnesota Timberwolves-Chicago Bulls trade model for Jimmy Butler, a scaled-down model of Melo's rich return of assets."

I want to see Kyrie Irving playing for Minnesota Timberwolves, I'm seeing that he will good at their management or any with other teams. As long as the confidence from him before will be back and he's the one to announce it.

Yes. Kyrie Irving will be a good addition to the Timberwolves. But what Minnesota can offer in return? I think its logical for GM Altman to really get a good players out of a trade involving Kyrie, regardless of team. That's why I agree with the article. If Altman can get quality players that will fit the Cavs roster, he will easily deal with it. But so far my theory is that as many teams wants to court Kyrie right now, but the offer is not worth to bite for now.

Agree, the Wolves to me are the most likely destination for Irving because of Butler and how much they want to play together. However I also fail to see what the Wolves can offer to the Cavs. Unless they package someone like Wiggins to another team and make a three way deal I don't see any other way.

With that said, the Suns with Bledsoe and others could be added into this. I can see the Cavs getting Bledsoe and another role player this way.

This is quite a dilemma. Kyrie's a top tier player but i don't think the wolves would be able to send wiggins or kat and jimmy would probably not be good enough for the cavs unless there's another with him that would be an upper tier as well. Obviously it won't be good if next season kyrie's still going to play with the cavs so cleveland may have to settle for an unbalanced trade

I think the Cavs getting Bledsoe and someone on that level (Wiggins, KAT, etc) would sign that trade in a second of course but I doubt that will happen. Most likely the Suns will get Wiggins, the Wolves Irving and the Cavs Bledsoe + someone from either Suns or Wolves and maybe a pick. I don't know I'm just speculating with the TWolves being involved, maybe they are not but there's a reason Kyrie included them in his destination teams.

As I said, to me there's already a deal in place with the Suns, not sure what involves but Bledsoe is coming to the Cavs along with another player or two.

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According to ESPN , the Cavaliers have received as many as 20 offers from teams interested in trading for the All-Star, but what the Cavs are asking for in return is far more than what teams are willing to give up.

"The Cavaliers want a package that resembles the 2011 Denver Nuggets-New York Knicks deal for Carmelo Anthony -- young players, win-now veterans and draft picks, league sources said. For new general manager Koby Altman, this is a textbook way to open trade discussions. But for now, most Irving suitors are using the Minnesota Timberwolves-Chicago Bulls trade model for Jimmy Butler, a scaled-down model of Melo's rich return of assets."

I want to see Kyrie Irving playing for Minnesota Timberwolves, I'm seeing that he will good at their management or any with other teams. As long as the confidence from him before will be back and he's the one to announce it.

Yes. Kyrie Irving will be a good addition to the Timberwolves. But what Minnesota can offer in return? I think its logical for GM Altman to really get a good players out of a trade involving Kyrie, regardless of team. That's why I agree with the article. If Altman can get quality players that will fit the Cavs roster, he will easily deal with it. But so far my theory is that as many teams wants to court Kyrie right now, but the offer is not worth to bite for now.

Agree, the Wolves to me are the most likely destination for Irving because of Butler and how much they want to play together. However I also fail to see what the Wolves can offer to the Cavs. Unless they package someone like Wiggins to another team and make a three way deal I don't see any other way.

With that said, the Suns with Bledsoe and others could be added into this. I can see the Cavs getting Bledsoe and another role player this way.

This is quite a dilemma. Kyrie's a top tier player but i don't think the wolves would be able to send wiggins or kat and jimmy would probably not be good enough for the cavs unless there's another with him that would be an upper tier as well. Obviously it won't be good if next season kyrie's still going to play with the cavs so cleveland may have to settle for an unbalanced trade

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Quote from: Siren on July 31, 2017, 08:50:05 PM

According to ESPN , the Cavaliers have received as many as 20 offers from teams interested in trading for the All-Star, but what the Cavs are asking for in return is far more than what teams are willing to give up.

"The Cavaliers want a package that resembles the 2011 Denver Nuggets-New York Knicks deal for Carmelo Anthony -- young players, win-now veterans and draft picks, league sources said. For new general manager Koby Altman, this is a textbook way to open trade discussions. But for now, most Irving suitors are using the Minnesota Timberwolves-Chicago Bulls trade model for Jimmy Butler, a scaled-down model of Melo's rich return of assets."

I want to see Kyrie Irving playing for Minnesota Timberwolves, I'm seeing that he will good at their management or any with other teams. As long as the confidence from him before will be back and he's the one to announce it.

Yes. Kyrie Irving will be a good addition to the Timberwolves. But what Minnesota can offer in return? I think its logical for GM Altman to really get a good players out of a trade involving Kyrie, regardless of team. That's why I agree with the article. If Altman can get quality players that will fit the Cavs roster, he will easily deal with it. But so far my theory is that as many teams wants to court Kyrie right now, but the offer is not worth to bite for now.

Agree, the Wolves to me are the most likely destination for Irving because of Butler and how much they want to play together. However I also fail to see what the Wolves can offer to the Cavs. Unless they package someone like Wiggins to another team and make a three way deal I don't see any other way.

With that said, the Suns with Bledsoe and others could be added into this. I can see the Cavs getting Bledsoe and another role player this way.

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Quote from: Siren on July 31, 2017, 08:50:05 PM

According to ESPN , the Cavaliers have received as many as 20 offers from teams interested in trading for the All-Star, but what the Cavs are asking for in return is far more than what teams are willing to give up.

"The Cavaliers want a package that resembles the 2011 Denver Nuggets-New York Knicks deal for Carmelo Anthony -- young players, win-now veterans and draft picks, league sources said. For new general manager Koby Altman, this is a textbook way to open trade discussions. But for now, most Irving suitors are using the Minnesota Timberwolves-Chicago Bulls trade model for Jimmy Butler, a scaled-down model of Melo's rich return of assets."

I want to see Kyrie Irving playing for Minnesota Timberwolves, I'm seeing that he will good at their management or any with other teams. As long as the confidence from him before will be back and he's the one to announce it.

Yes. Kyrie Irving will be a good addition to the Timberwolves. But what Minnesota can offer in return? I think its logical for GM Altman to really get a good players out of a trade involving Kyrie, regardless of team. That's why I agree with the article. If Altman can get quality players that will fit the Cavs roster, he will easily deal with it. But so far my theory is that as many teams wants to court Kyrie right now, but the offer is not worth to bite for now.

But they just got Jeff Teague, who might be a better fit for the Timerwolves since you have Towns and Wiggins already. Irving will just mess up with the chemistry

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According to ESPN , the Cavaliers have received as many as 20 offers from teams interested in trading for the All-Star, but what the Cavs are asking for in return is far more than what teams are willing to give up.

"The Cavaliers want a package that resembles the 2011 Denver Nuggets-New York Knicks deal for Carmelo Anthony -- young players, win-now veterans and draft picks, league sources said. For new general manager Koby Altman, this is a textbook way to open trade discussions. But for now, most Irving suitors are using the Minnesota Timberwolves-Chicago Bulls trade model for Jimmy Butler, a scaled-down model of Melo's rich return of assets."

I want to see Kyrie Irving playing for Minnesota Timberwolves, I'm seeing that he will good at their management or any with other teams. As long as the confidence from him before will be back and he's the one to announce it.

Yes. Kyrie Irving will be a good addition to the Timberwolves. But what Minnesota can offer in return? I think its logical for GM Altman to really get a good players out of a trade involving Kyrie, regardless of team. That's why I agree with the article. If Altman can get quality players that will fit the Cavs roster, he will easily deal with it. But so far my theory is that as many teams wants to court Kyrie right now, but the offer is not worth to bite for now.

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Quote from: Siren on July 31, 2017, 08:50:05 PM

According to ESPN , the Cavaliers have received as many as 20 offers from teams interested in trading for the All-Star, but what the Cavs are asking for in return is far more than what teams are willing to give up.

"The Cavaliers want a package that resembles the 2011 Denver Nuggets-New York Knicks deal for Carmelo Anthony -- young players, win-now veterans and draft picks, league sources said. For new general manager Koby Altman, this is a textbook way to open trade discussions. But for now, most Irving suitors are using the Minnesota Timberwolves-Chicago Bulls trade model for Jimmy Butler, a scaled-down model of Melo's rich return of assets."

I want to see Kyrie Irving playing for Minnesota Timberwolves, I'm seeing that he will good at their management or any with other teams. As long as the confidence from him before will be back and he's the one to announce it.

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Quote from: Siren on July 31, 2017, 08:50:05 PM

According to ESPN , the Cavaliers have received as many as 20 offers from teams interested in trading for the All-Star, but what the Cavs are asking for in return is far more than what teams are willing to give up.

"The Cavaliers want a package that resembles the 2011 Denver Nuggets-New York Knicks deal for Carmelo Anthony -- young players, win-now veterans and draft picks, league sources said. For new general manager Koby Altman, this is a textbook way to open trade discussions. But for now, most Irving suitors are using the Minnesota Timberwolves-Chicago Bulls trade model for Jimmy Butler, a scaled-down model of Melo's rich return of assets."

from what i'm hearing the Cavs and Phoenix have are going to have a deal for Kyrie Irving trade with Eric Bledsoe would be included in the trade also Suns own Miami's first round pick while the Cavs looking to add Josh Jackson in a trade because the Phoenix has ruled out the possibility of trading Devin Booker. The deal will be delayed for a shorye periode of time because Jackson cannot be traded until after August 4th and if the trade go through the Cavs will benefit the most from it.

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Melo will most likely go to the Rockets, it just makes more sense. Cleveland can get Melo in a similar way they got Rose, cheap and with a 1 year contract without much more compromise than that but giving up pieces or a big salary at this stage it would be foolish. Not only Melo is past his prime, he's also playing the PF position, one that is already dominated by both James and Love.

Now I can see how he can get back into great playing shape and revive his career at Houston. CP3 can definitely play to assist both Harden and him, they could average above 30 ppg easily.

What are you even processing things in your mind? Carmelo Anthony won't end up a deal similar to Derrick Rose because they are not the same. Carmelo is not plague by injuries just like Derrick Rose and to keep in mind Derrick Rose was not a hot commodity during the free agency whom Derrick Rose is an unrestricted FA compare to Carmelo that all-season long he was surrounded by trader rumors in which he would be move away from the New York Knicks, Carmelo is still a good basketball player playing in a wrong team.

I might agree here. If we will see as a whole, we can noticed that there are lots of trade request proposals to Carmelo Anthony than Derrick Rose. Hopefully Carmelo will show more what he got to the team that he will succesfully land. Honestly, his performance is not that can considered as best of the best now unlike with his colleagues who can show more until today.

I want to see the blockbuster trade rumor of this guy that involves Kyrie Irving. This will be a surprise.

what melo to cavs? wow another exciting rumors as it is, how melo will create chemistry with lebron while both of them wants to have the ball?
how coaches will let them play alongside each other and watch who's willing to take charge, i guess if this happen melo will be the support since
lebron already the star of cavs unless lebron will be like curry when durant went in to their team.

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According to ESPN , the Cavaliers have received as many as 20 offers from teams interested in trading for the All-Star, but what the Cavs are asking for in return is far more than what teams are willing to give up.

"The Cavaliers want a package that resembles the 2011 Denver Nuggets-New York Knicks deal for Carmelo Anthony -- young players, win-now veterans and draft picks, league sources said. For new general manager Koby Altman, this is a textbook way to open trade discussions. But for now, most Irving suitors are using the Minnesota Timberwolves-Chicago Bulls trade model for Jimmy Butler, a scaled-down model of Melo's rich return of assets."

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