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legendary
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November 11, 2018, 08:15:12 AM
#41
Oprah. Please. Politics is not showbusiness. Just because US people fell for a reality show lunatic once, it doesn't mean a talk show star should run for president now.

What US should do is get serious and elect a freaking stable, credible and intelligent president that will be taken seriously and deserves respect.

The democratic party needs a candidate that can unite the party (not saying that's Oprah LOL) if they want to beat Trump in 2020.  Trump's base is probably not abandoning him and if the dem facing him can't pull out all the dem voters than Trump has a much better chance in 2020.

Unfortunately a lot of liberals won't like a corporate democrat while others won't like a more populous candidate bridging that gap would give them the best shot against Trump and his loyal base.

At this point I'm not actually sure who that candidate is.
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November 11, 2018, 07:43:19 AM
#40
Oprah. Please. Politics is not showbusiness. Just because US people fell for a reality show lunatic once, it doesn't mean a talk show star should run for president now.

What US should do is get serious and elect a freaking stable, credible and intelligent president that will be taken seriously and deserves respect.
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November 10, 2018, 01:37:17 PM
#40
Oprah/[...] 2020


I don’t think Oprah could get elected. She is widey popular, however she has made mistakes in the past in terms of what she pushed in her show. There is more than enough dirt on her that can be found on the archives of her show and it would be easy to get many people to see these clips.

She probably also wouldn’t be able to run as a candidate who can energize her base enough to have a real shot of winning.

Also, identity politics is diminishing with the advent of Trump as his approval from blacks and other minorities is much higher than any other Republican in recent history.

You'd think the same thing about Trump, but obviously he won the nomination. I don't think people really care how shitty politicians are "because they all are liars and cheats" and it's way more about name recognition for the presidency.

The average citizen isn't really educated in political science.

It's crazy to see so many people vote against their individual interests because specific rhetoric that seems to apply to them.
You are right about Trump, and you may be right about Oprah. However I do not think she will be able to get out the Black vote the same way Obama did, and the advantage democrats have because of identity politics is diminishing, especially considering how much Trump has done for minority groups the democrats have courted, economically -- record low unemployment rates.
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November 10, 2018, 12:22:56 PM
#39
    I think part of the problem with higher education is that the government is in the business of backing student loans. I'm not certain that I want the government to offer free higher education either. Not everyone wants or needs a higher education. I don't think we need to socialize that cost.
    I really would like to see even more younger people involved in the Government. As long as they are qualified.

I think as we see more menial labor automated, there's going to be less of a demand for uneducated citizens. A few decades from now will look entirely different than now.

Oprah/[...] 2020


I don’t think Oprah could get elected. She is widey popular, however she has made mistakes in the past in terms of what she pushed in her show. There is more than enough dirt on her that can be found on the archives of her show and it would be easy to get many people to see these clips.

She probably also wouldn’t be able to run as a candidate who can energize her base enough to have a real shot of winning.

Also, identity politics is diminishing with the advent of Trump as his approval from blacks and other minorities is much higher than any other Republican in recent history.

You'd think the same thing about Trump, but obviously he won the nomination. I don't think people really care how shitty politicians are "because they all are liars and cheats" and it's way more about name recognition for the presidency.

The average citizen isn't really educated in political science.

It's crazy to see so many people vote against their individual interests because specific rhetoric that seems to apply to them.
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November 10, 2018, 01:05:37 AM
#38
Oprah/[...] 2020


I don’t think Oprah could get elected. She is widey popular, however she has made mistakes in the past in terms of what she pushed in her show. There is more than enough dirt on her that can be found on the archives of her show and it would be easy to get many people to see these clips.

She probably also wouldn’t be able to run as a candidate who can energize her base enough to have a real shot of winning.

Also, identity politics is diminishing with the advent of Trump as his approval from blacks and other minorities is much higher than any other Republican in recent history.
legendary
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November 09, 2018, 09:48:54 PM
#38
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I do think that we're absolutely disproportionate "ruled" in a political system by old people. It sucks that the majority of people there are over the age of 60... do you really think 60+ year olds should be setting the rules?


Interesting point of view.

Certainly people who can think problems through logically and accurately should be setting rules. That could include people of 20ish but it wouldn't be all of them. But it wouldn't be all of >60 either.

legendary
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November 09, 2018, 08:43:57 PM
#37
Where do you stand as a democrat? Universal health care is pretty awesome, subsidizing education isn't a bad thing either.

There's some studies on economic growth, which is a good thing in my opinion; but I'd like to see the actual costs. I don't think handing schools more money really helps, I think there's programs to help young adults, but I'm curious to see more older adults go back to school for actual studying, not just societally bullshit. Like more hard science middle-age adults means more innovation in the aging workplace.

Tradition needs to change, and middle age adults are that link between "how things were" and "how things probably should be".

I do think that we're absolutely disproportionate "ruled" in a political system by old people. It sucks that the majority of people there are over the age of 60... do you really think 60+ year olds should be setting the rules?

     I think if the government can run a program similar to Medicare, that would be good. This will include the option for people to enroll in an "advantage" program. (Medicare part C.) They can opt to have a private insurance company handle it for them and give them different benefits if they so desire.  The reason that I believe in some form of socialized medicine is because it will probably be a necessary cost for practically everyone. Furthermore, when the major consumers are the sick and the dying, it's hard to make a free market that is trying to eke out a profit. In the past, the churches used to run the hospitals as charity.  
     I think part of the problem with higher education is that the government is in the business of backing student loans. I'm not certain that I want the government to offer free higher education either. Not everyone wants or needs a higher education. I don't think we need to socialize that cost.
    I really would like to see even more younger people involved in the Government. As long as they are qualified.
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November 09, 2018, 08:11:06 PM
#36
Sanders still isn't dead. He might have a running chance.  Roll Eyes

I don't want him to run. He isn't really a democrat. I really don't want to help pay for everyone's free college education.  Angry He's way too far to the left for me.

Where do you stand as a democrat? Universal health care is pretty awesome, subsidizing education isn't a bad thing either.

There's some studies on economic growth, which is a good thing in my opinion; but I'd like to see the actual costs. I don't think handing schools more money really helps, I think there's programs to help young adults, but I'm curious to see more older adults go back to school for actual studying, not just societally bullshit. Like more hard science middle-age adults means more innovation in the aging workplace.

Tradition needs to change, and middle age adults are that link between "how things were" and "how things probably should be".

I do think that we're absolutely disproportionate "ruled" in a political system by old people. It sucks that the majority of people there are over the age of 60... do you really think 60+ year olds should be setting the rules?
legendary
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November 09, 2018, 07:46:23 PM
#35
Sanders still isn't dead. He might have a running chance.  Roll Eyes

I don't want him to run. He isn't really a democrat. I really don't want to help pay for everyone's free college education.  Angry He's way too far to the left for me.
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November 09, 2018, 07:39:11 PM
#34
Sanders still isn't dead. He might have a running chance.  Roll Eyes
legendary
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November 08, 2018, 09:37:47 AM
#33
Oprah/Obama 2020

Now that would drive the republican voters over the edge hehe!

I'm not sure that a two-term president can be chosen as vice president. Assuming the president has issues, that'd violate the two term clause.

So, I highly doubt Obama will run as a VP, but I could be wrong here.

Michelle, not Barack!

Ah. I didn't think that Michelle was into politics. I thought she was more of a societal figure.

Valid point though, would be interesting to see two ladies running for the position.

I don't really think she is, I would be surprised to hell if those 2 ended up on any ticket hehe.  It was more for a laugh!
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November 08, 2018, 08:49:45 AM
#32
Oprah/Obama 2020

Now that would drive the republican voters over the edge hehe!

I'm not sure that a two-term president can be chosen as vice president. Assuming the president has issues, that'd violate the two term clause.

So, I highly doubt Obama will run as a VP, but I could be wrong here.

Michelle, not Barack!

Ah. I didn't think that Michelle was into politics. I thought she was more of a societal figure.

Valid point though, would be interesting to see two ladies running for the position.
legendary
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November 06, 2018, 07:24:09 AM
#31
Oprah/Obama 2020

Now that would drive the republican voters over the edge hehe!

I'm not sure that a two-term president can be chosen as vice president. Assuming the president has issues, that'd violate the two term clause.

So, I highly doubt Obama will run as a VP, but I could be wrong here.

Michelle, not Barack!
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November 06, 2018, 06:22:53 AM
#30
Oprah/Obama 2020

Now that would drive the republican voters over the edge hehe!

I'm not sure that a two-term president can be chosen as vice president. Assuming the president has issues, that'd violate the two term clause.

So, I highly doubt Obama will run as a VP, but I could be wrong here.
legendary
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November 05, 2018, 08:30:45 PM
#30
Oprah/Obama 2020

Now that would drive the republican voters over the edge hehe!

Yes, it takes something to get them to put down that six pack they are finishing off and lurch out to the voting booth.

Better to stick with Biden, that might put the to sleep, then he'd win.
legendary
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November 05, 2018, 03:14:50 PM
#29
....she's not running but I wonder if she will hit her breaking point in the next couple of years and say fuck it no more Trump.....

And that means what?

"no more —" to trump policies that benefit the black and minority communities?

That's not gonna happen.

Wait, I forgot. The scheme is to first get people believing a whole pack of lies about Trump so they hate him, then they can vote "anyone is better" right?

No it means Oprah doesn't like Trump and is campaigning for his opponents (Dems), that's called a fact.  It also means that I am wondering if she will change her mind, it's called a question. Whenever someone mentions Trump you come along cupping his balls claiming everything is a lie and he is like the best fucking ever.  I mean it's fine keep rocking bro it's just really really weird!

Guess what, some people think Trump is a liar and a sack of shit no matter how many times you insist otherwise.
legendary
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November 05, 2018, 06:32:35 PM
#29
Oprah/Obama 2020

Now that would drive the republican voters over the edge hehe!
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November 05, 2018, 05:44:27 PM
#28
I am outsider so don't know much about US politics but it seems like you guys can add one more name in that list or in your discussion just for fun? John Macfee, he recently gave an interview and said that he may be bid for US presidency with one intention promoting crypto.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/i-dont-want-to-be-president-john-mcaffee-to-exclusively-promote-crypto-in-2020-race

I'd normally consider John McAfee a libertarian. I'm pretty sure he's anti-trump and anti-fascist. It'd be nice to be shifted a bit more libertarian for a couple years.

To be honest, I'd have to have a chat with the guy to vote for the guy in this case.

Oh, he's onto something;

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While pondering this, I remembered that Trump, in 2013, almost proudly stated that he rarely writes emails.

My initial impression on hearing this proclamation was that Trump was in the vanguard of those "super technologists" who are slowly abandoning emails as too slow and cumbersome and whose text messages and tweets are masterful creations of compacted characters.

But I fear I was wrong.

Our military, industrial, social and cultural worlds would not exist today were it not for the billions of computing devices that monitor and control everything from food production and distribution to our buying of socks, shoes and televisions. The electricity that powers our homes is produced and distributed entirely under automated control. Our emergency services could not function without these computing devices, neither our police forces or even our automobiles. We are fully submersed in the digital age.

In addition, most cyber security experts agree that there is an imminent cyber war on the horizon.

Given this reality, technological illiteracy should be viewed in the same light as an inability to read and write in the world of 50 years ago.

I am running for the Libertarian Party's nomination for president in 2016. If I were to tell you that I could neither read nor write, but that I would hire advisors who would explain words to me, would you vote for me?
legendary
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November 05, 2018, 03:05:58 PM
#28
....she's not running but I wonder if she will hit her breaking point in the next couple of years and say fuck it no more Trump.....

And that means what?

"no more —" to trump policies that benefit the black and minority communities?

That's not gonna happen.

Wait, I forgot. The scheme is to first get people believing a whole pack of lies about Trump so they hate him, then they can vote "anyone is better" right?
legendary
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November 05, 2018, 08:52:24 AM
#27
I am outsider so don't know much about US politics but it seems like you guys can add one more name in that list or in your discussion just for fun? John Macfee, he recently gave an interview and said that he may be bid for US presidency with one intention promoting crypto.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/i-dont-want-to-be-president-john-mcaffee-to-exclusively-promote-crypto-in-2020-race


@bluefirecorp_ don't forget to tag him on twitter if you find one. "Don't vote for John McAfee" his campaign slogan Cheesy
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