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Bloomberg was horrible. He did have one or two good hits at Bernie, but everything besides that was a disaster. He truly was unprepared for this, and I'm surprised by that. You'd think his advisers would've keyed him in on literally everything that could've happened in this debate -- as he literally is paying for the best advisers to be around him.

I do think that there is a large segment of the party -- the moderates supporting Pete, Klobuchar, Biden and now Bloomberg would be able to find common ground in one anothers candidates and unite around them. This is the test against far left socialist wing of the party. Nevada is the real test here.

To have a contested convention, all that need to happen is no candidate receive more than 50% of total delegates. If someone receives a small amount of delegates, they may stay in with the hopes of someone tanking due to a scandal and if not to use their delegates as a way to leverage a cabinet position or a vice presidential nomination.

Bloomberg was utterly destroyed in the debate, especially over the #MeToo stuff, which Democrats are sensitive about. He looked like a lost Republican who somehow found his way onto a Democratic debate stage. (Which is in fact sort of what happened...)

Now the question is whether Bloomberg is at 16% in the polls mostly due to real support that was only sparked by his spending, or mostly due to throwing boatloads of money at very-low-information voters who won't be affected by this or any debate. If the former, this debate performance will probably sink him, and maybe Biden or Pete will take up the "not Bernie" mantle. (Note that Pete has the most delegates at the moment, even though the media has seemingly forgotten about him.) If the latter, Bloomberg can continue on, but it'll be challenging for him in the general, since a huge segment of his party will hate his guts, and it's looking like Trump will be able to tear him to shreds. On the other hand, if he can buy the Democratic nomination, I'd feel as though he might also be able to buy the presidency. One major thing he'd have in his toolkit would be that he could use his money and market knowledge to make the stock market do whatever he wants -- probably he'd be able to create a huge crash & continuous downward trend starting a few months before November.

Since I want a contested convention, I'm hoping that someone other than Sanders wins Nevada, though I'm not sure who that'd be. Maybe Biden can pull it off? He had a decent debate performance.

Probably the directive.

Seems the Ds are tearing eachother apart....
Way to do Trump's job for him..

My views on the debate - What a god damn slaughter fest. It's like everyone was clubbing each other with ruthless attacks and going for the take down.

Bernie Sanders - Decent performance and stuck to his stump speech. Didn't see anything major that would derail his candidacy. The whole "angry Bernie bro's" bullshit that Pete try to pull on Bernie arguing that he's responsible for his online trolls is completely insane. It's the internet and half the Bernie bro trolls are bots. How can you rationally make the argument that Sanders is responsible for something like that?

Joe Biden - Boring. Not much to say honestly.

Elizabeth Warren - She attacked Amy and Pete a lot on their healthcare plans as if she didn't flip flop on healthcare for the last year. I don't get her pitch and I don't understand her supporters. She is as far left as Bernie while trying to portray herself as a moderate by not openly subscribing to the "democratic socialist" label and lying about how much her plans cost while Bernie is up front about it. If you're a progressive, why would you vote for Warren over Bernie?

Michael Bloomberg - I've never seen such a miserable performance in my life. Did no one on his campaign give  him rehearsed lines on what to say about his sexual harassment claims and NDA's? He was attacked on his NY policies, sexual harassment claims, net worth, sexism and each one of his responses fell flat as if he never thought he'd be attacked on his record. Complete shit show.

Pete Buttigeg - All he did was go after Bernie which makes sense considering he ran neck and neck with him in Iowa and NH. Fair attacks by Pete on challenging Sanders on the cost of his plans because Bernie isn't putting a number on the costs of any of it.

Amy Klobuchar - Okay performance. Nothing too spectacular. Oh, forgot her butchering the President of Mexico's name. Not a good look.

I guess that means Milwaukee will burn, eh?  I'll have a very long marshmallow stick ready.  13,000 km long.

The establishment doesn't need to keep him off the top.  All they need to do is keep him shy of 50% delegates which looks to be inevitable at this point.  Bernie isn't even at 50% in any single State.  Once they make it to the convention, they can all reallocate their delegates how they see fit and also throw in 500 superdelegates.  Bernie will be the leader going in but chance's of winning the nomination are basically zero.

Joe Biden is done for it, I think he's a buffoon whos unable to hold a normal conversation without sounding really out there. He doesn't really have much enthusiasm of the voters, and that's something that you're going to need in a primary. The voters don't want to hear about moderates, they want to hear about people who have energy about the PARTY STUFF.

Bernie has the enthusiasm of the voters.

Bloomberg has a ton of money and is rising fast, he's gotten the DNC to change rules for him to qualify for the debates (after he donated like 1.2m to different dem groups) and he has a virtually unlimited supply of money in the pipeline ready to buy ads, influence, and so on. He's in it for the long haul, and I think he's a formidable foe in this race.

Bernie Sanders is leading in virtually all national polls now and is now tied with Joe Biden in South Carolina in a Change Research poll - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/democratic_nomination_polls/

Joe Biden's campaign collapsing in real time folks.

I have no doubt left in my mind that the Democratic elections is happening between Bloomberg and Sanders, and while the former has the power of money but the latter has the support of the people. Furthermore I’m finding it difficult as to who’ll win but as of now I feel that Sanders shall win it, unless Bloomberg decides to blow him out of the park with his spending power.

Source:

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/18/politics/bloomberg-qualifies-democratic-debate-nevada/index.html

I'm glad he's over, this guy's a weird creep to say the least and smells like a proponent of status quo. And I agree with what you said about Bernie, in fact I think his ascension as a Democrat candidate was postponed by the establishment since the last election. This time though I don't think they'll be able to null him again.

Warren was never the "establishment candidate" but Biden - yeah... he appears to be done unless some miracle happens over the next couple of weeks. A while ago I thought those two would be frontrunners. Never would have pictured Butigieg up there, good for him.

If the establishment had their way Bernie wouldn't be at the top. We'll see after Super Tuesday.

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but a political analysis I've read recently is:

Buttigieg is growing because the establishment has sort of cancelled their support to Warren & Biden as they realized how little chances they actually have because of n factors and opted instead for this weird, almost unexperienced but relatively progressive and lacking a scandal in his biography, dude called Buttigieg.

Conservative Arabs in the USA...  Apparently I'm not the anomaly I thought I was.

GoRemy strikes at the heart of today's Democratic Party: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enTEvon9pbw

Democrat leaders lost touch with the people, instead of focusing on the issue which was the spoiled candidate (Hillary), they focused on their anti-Trump rage, so basically have no plan for 2020.  Bloomberg could have won in 2016 but not in 2020, Trump has too much wind behind his sails.  The only Dem candidate that can beat Trump is Sanders - but they won't let him on the ticket.  The Democratic party is facing a class struggle between party haves and party have nots.  They aren't listening to the have nots, but they represent 80% or 90% of the voting base.  So in the opinion of some, 2020 can break the party.  But don't worry, GOP days are numbered too, once Trump has left most likely in 2024 it's not clear who would be next.  That's the Dems big chance, they should start thinking about it now, and be realistic about their strategy, for example don't base your strategy on rage and hope

https://globalintelhub.com/post-mortem-democratic-party/

...using atrocious legal foundation stones that Donald Trump's (handlers) have been laying at break-neck speed.

All the above and a lot more is 'shovel ready' for whatever actor/puppet is selected next.  You people thing this is an accident and Trump, Bloomberg, Clinton, etc are not all working together on this stuff?  (Answer:  Apparently 'yes'.  That's why I hauled ass out of the country.  Or one of the reasons.)

He couldn't be Bush's 3rd term, because that's what Obama was, perpetuating all his worst policies only with a veneer of social justice progressivism. He expanded his wars, perpetuated his constitutional abuses, imprisoned journalists, all the things Bush was hated for. Bloomberg is just yet another totalitarian in a donkey costume.

I predict, if he wins (doubtful), about 30 seconds after he is sworn in, he will have a sudden heart attack, and Hillary will kick over his corpse and be sworn in as president. The real danger here is a Clinton in The White House again. If that happens, I am sure the suicide rate in DC will suddenly skyrocket.

If it's Bloomberg vs Trump, it'll be weird. Bloomberg will be able to throw an unlimited amount of money at this, and a ton of people absolutely despise Trump (some for good reasons, others for bad reasons), so he could win. But Bloomberg is basically George W. Bush's third term. I used to call myself a progressive ~15 years ago, and I would've despised Bloomberg even more than Trump. Furthermore, Trump will probably attack Bloomberg from the left on several issues (eg. Trump doesn't care about the deficit, unlike Bloomberg, so he could support both tax cuts and welfare expansions). Bloomberg vs Trump will be an ex-Republican running basically as a Republican, but in the Democratic party, versus an ex-Democrat running basically as a Democrat, but in the Republican party.

Bloomberg is definitely the worst-case scenario for Bitcoin, BTW. Bitcoin represents everything that Bloomberg is against, and he is very effective (unlike Trump), so as president he'll be able and eager to ramp up regulations to 11 with the explicit goal of squeezing Bitcoin to the point where it can only exist in the shadows.

"Mike Bloomberg: I Will Charge Americans With 'Domestic Terrorism' For 'Hate Crimes' If Elected"

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