Topic: 21.5 BTC TAKEN BY SPORTSBET.IO - page 4. (Read 8269 times)

possibly they are connected to each other those who are creating this gambling site have some ideas how the system will do, i'm not saying all of them but apparently there are some shady casino's that only good when you are depositing and losing your money but when you got some luck and you earn huge earnings you will be suspected doing something and they will delayed or freeze everything.

That's reason why i stopped gambling long time ago. Casino's are friendly only when you are losing. Even if you won fair and square they'll steal your money and expect you to leave like nothing happened.

It doesn't matter if they were oldschool casino's who accept credit cards and other shit. These new bitcoin casinos are not different than the previous ones.

This shit is cancer. Stop gambling.

Nice job, so apparently the owner of these websites is a known scamer, regarding the informations you provided, i had a look at Curaçao in wikipedia, it is a fiscal paradise, so the best action is to complain about them to the FBI, or Interpol or, Europol, any internation police can do the job, especially if you do it from dutchland, this will trigger an investigation if there are enough complains, and will eventually lead to arrest the owner of these websites.
Regarding the bitcoins, i don't really know how they will react.

They will do everything in their power to retain those bitcoins. They will ask for more and more and more documents.

Your birth certificate.. your grandparents' marriage certificate... your dog's passport... your girlfriend's bra size (certified and notarized).. receipt of that hamburger you bought in June 2015...

No. They have asked for more documents, which I have sent them. But they have not replied to my emails for 4 days now.

I haven't been following this completely. But just saw the trust as negative for the sportsbet account on this forum. Did they sort it out ? I see their post, but no update beyond that for the last 3-4 days.

ExcessTest ?

The operator and manager of sportsbet.io is known: SportsBet.io + BitCasino.io

Glad Lauda and everyone tagged that account.  What OP posted is proof enough for me, and I don't see how anyone could deposit that much bitcoin in any of these shady-ass offshore gambling places.  It's like shooting your money off into a black hole and hoping you get it back.  I get that you like to gamble and all, but these casinos man...what does anyone really know about them?  They're almost like these exchanges where nothing is known about management, etc.  Crazy.  Hope OP can recover his funds.

No, your licensor Curacao eGaming does not regulate anything! If they would regulate you, they would at least respond to complaints sent to [email protected]

More info about your licensor: Curacao license scam 1668/JAZ, 365/JAZ, 5536/JAZ and 8048/JAZ


1) Again, you are not regulated

2) Where do your "regulator" state this requirement?

3) Your claim you would be obliged to ID verification, KYC and AML (anti-money laundering) procedures by your "regulator" at certain withdrawal levels is absolute NONSENSE! According to you, you are allowed to take illegal money, but you are not allowed to give it back! LMAO

If you would be obliged to ID verification, KYC and AML if withdrawal exceed 10 BTC, then you would be also obliged to check this prior to accepting his BTC 15 deposit! 15 BTC clearly exceed your 10 BTC rule! Why did you not check prior to accepting his deposit?

Why did you breach the licensor's rule?

Yes, you claim this licensor rule exist only for withdrawals, but as I already explained to you, if this rule would exist, it would be logically binding for deposits and withdrawals. I trust that everyone with at least half a brain is able to understand this logic?

What you are doing is the following:

- You have a 10 kilometer long one way tunnel.

- Everyone can enter your tunnel without any check

- At the end of your 10 kilometre one way tunnel is a barrier and you suddenly ask for verification documents or otherwise you do not allow to leave your tunnel

Your behaviour is of course against all existing law!

Yes, you refer to your Terms & Conditions, but the part you are not able to understand is that if a part of your terms is not in accordance with Curacao civil code, this part is not valid! Civil law stands always above private terms and as I already explained to you, this part of your terms is not valid!

4) O.k., so now that you took his "illegal" 15 BTC, did you report this to AML offices and forward his "illegal" Bitcoins to the authorities in Curacao?

Because Curacao laws say that you are not allowed to keep "illegal" money. Or did you breach those laws, like you breached your licensor's rules?


Good point!  

If I recall correctly, all/most deposits are instantly credited to your account. Based on this, I would imagine you could perform a double spend by depositing with a really low tx fee and bet it all on some event counting on the fact that the deposit is instantly credited. Even if you lose that bet, you could just double spend as long as the deposit hasn't confirmed yet.

Can you translate your question to readable English with content and explanation? I was not able to find any witty part?


Haha, nice story bro!

It is impossible for me to figure out nonsense stories, but you can post your pissing story also in my BitcoinTalk thread and we can discuss it there:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/game-protect-online-gaming-consumer-protection-1535816

I don't play there, but according to support 3 confirmations are required on deposit. Is it even possible to perform double spend there?

Is this some kind of joke? You are taking the piss right?

Edit: Try to figure it out. I refuse to derail this thread and make it about you, Mr snake oil salesman /b]


Thanks for the invitation but NO. Why should I exchange banter with a madman charlatan? I have better things to do with my time so ill pass.

You are going straight to the top of my ignore list.

                                            

He claims to be owed 21.5 BTC = $26,000. If he provably scammed, his claim is 0.0, if he did not scam his claim is $26,000.

Court fee in Curacao is 1% with minimum $375 = $375 for him and I could offer a good lawyer arrangement, let us say around $2,500. So his total costs to enforce his claim would be around $3,000.

If you have $18,000 to deposit, then you should have as well $3,000 to enforce your claim, shouldn't you?

If he doesn't win, he will lose another $3,000, but had a good chance to get his $26,000. If he did not scam sportsbet.io, this is an instant call. Also, if he win, sportsbet.io will likely have to pay his lawyer and court fee.

Yes, it is a small financial risk to persue his 21.5 BTC, but the risk to deposit 15 BTC was unlike higher! Therefore no idea what the problem is?

I've seen similar excuses in several threads here, it seems that more gambling sites are doing this to
hold the users BTC.

Anyway, as long as you don't provide any proof of the violations that you mentioned
a tag will be given to you.

LOL! so you are claiming double spend and failed verification without backing it up with proof? I call bullshit on that.

Btw why should an unlicensed book demand KYC? I would be wary sending my ID to a shady as fuck outfit like yours.

Just pay the man his money and stop giving him the run around. If you don't have the coins and cannot afford to pay him, beg and negotiate with him, instead of making him look like the guilty party when it's all on you.

Whatever shit is there in your clause, i am adamant that one should never ask for KYC or ID verification from the players who play via bitcoin.
The theme of bitcoin is P2P and anonymity.

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I suggest you to reimburse the players money with some reward as you have cost him tension and a waste of time.I even suggest you to remove this ID verification against your clause, else true bitcoiners will never play at your site.

Sound really strange that a BTC bet provider ask for KYC!

It's really a non-sense, because i think i go to play BTC for stay anonimous: if i need to provide my ID probably i go in regulated (for real, not for fake   ) betting website!

Also , if withdrawal was made to the same address from deposit, wich is the risk?

Doesn't matter.Please stop promoting your self when you're responding to a scam accusation.

Did you make it clear to your customers during/before signing up ? Is it part of your current terms and conditions ? Why only during withdrawals ? Why not during deposits ? And we expect a clear answer for all these questions.

You sure you didn't add this a day before ? Please show us your gaming license.


Nope.It should be discussed publicly,show the transactions which were double spent and how they're linked to the OP.Also,we would like to know why his Id verifications would be rejected.

Hi all,

Regarding the complaint of player ExcessTest:

sportsbet.io is a regulated online gambling provider which does not withold customers funds and processes hundreds of withdrawals of BTC in a week.

Regardless the nature of Bitcoin payments as a regulated operator we are obliged to ID verification, KYC and AML (anti-money laundering) procedures by the regulator at certain withdrawal levels.

We have stated this clearly in our Terms & Conditions page available here –
https://sportsbet.io/about/general-terms-and-conditions
3.3.3. Sportsbet reserve the right to carry out additional KYC verification procedures for any withdrawals exceeding the equivalent of 10 Bitcoins or €2300 which ever is lower, and further reserves the right to carry out such verification procedures in case of smaller withdrawals, as demanded by our gaming license. Account Holders who wish to recover funds held in a closed, locked or excluded account, are advised to contact Customer Support.

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Regarding the OP post here in forums:

We have contacted the player to resolve the issues with the account (ID verification failure, transaction attributes related to bitcoin Double Spending patterns, related and previously abused IP addresses in Turkey etc) and will commit to full resolution or either returning the original deposit amount to player.

Cheers,
sportsbet.io