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Quote from: FirstAscent on December 19, 2012, 05:52:41 PM

Quote from: malevolent on December 19, 2012, 05:44:47 PM

Most people are lemmings hence so few of them lead meaningful lives or achieve anything.

Feel free to post some charts and graphs that correlate meaningful life to gun ownership. For that matter, feel free to post some charts and graphs that correlate life expectancy with gun ownership.

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Quote from: cunicula on December 20, 2012, 05:56:11 AM

Quote from: myrkul on December 17, 2012, 02:04:48 PM

In 2010, Automobile accidents claimed 32,885 lives. Is being able to travel at 70 miles per hour worth 32,000 lives per year?

That is a good question. Automobiles impose costs on society and therefore should be taxed at a punitive rate to discourage excessive use. Here in Singapore the costs of purchasing a Honda Civic are in the neighborhood of USD$150,000. Part of this is tax. All cars are taxed at 200%. There is also purchase of entitlement to own an automobile (~$30,000). There is also purchase of the entitlement to drive which is about $20,000 per year if you want to be able to drive during peak hours (much cheaper for an off peak license).

These are excellent moves. Cars cause external harm and therefore call for punitive taxation.

Guns should also be heavily taxed (e.g. there is one paper which suggests that $600/gun is an appropriate tax rate).

The problem with this is only the rich can afford to defend themselves. people living in low income areas would not only be the most numerous demographic, but also the most likely to need a firearm for self defense. If you need to get somewhere and don't own a car, you can carpool, get on a bus, or call a taxi. If you are being attacked and you don't have a gun you are a victim, and if the police show up it most of the time it will only be to fill out paperwork if you are lucky enough to be alive.

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After we're done with knives, don't forget sticks. In Kendo, we use long bamboo sticks to represent swords during sparring matches, and without the heavy steel and fiberglass padded armor that we have to wear, those sticks can very easily break bones and cave in heads.

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At a rough estimate, the US would have to reduce its domestic gun ownership by about 25 times* to bring it down to Switzerland's levels.

*Already corrected for population size.

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Quote from: bitster on December 23, 2012, 12:36:32 PM

How about its no ones business what type of knifes a person owns. The owner need not explain to anyone why he owns it and the answer "because i like it" should suffice!

Let's at least focus on gun control then, since we have proven models of effectiveness in many other countries.

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How about its no ones business what type of knifes a person owns. The owner need not explain to anyone why he owns it and the answer "because i like it" should suffice!

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Quote from: Distribution on December 23, 2012, 11:48:30 AM

Quote from: FirstAscent on December 22, 2012, 11:42:22 PM

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I see no similarity to the US' f**ked-up attitude. Grin

Yes, attitude is the key word here, not deadly inanimate objects.

Indeed. It's attitude which creates policies which allow an unhealthy and unnecessary quantity of guns in the US.

And knives.

You don't want restaurants to have knives for meal preparation? What about in your kitchen?

I believe he's referring to the long pointy knives which are solely intended for stabbing and have no place in the kitchen. As far as I know, the UK is the only place that is addressing this problem. We could prevent a lot more deaths and far more injuries by outlawing these vicious instruments.

So you're in favor of such measures? That's great. And that certainly does not preclude gun control, but complements it. Glad you're on board.

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Fight fire with photos.

Quote from: FirstAscent on December 22, 2012, 11:42:22 PM

Quote from: Rassah on December 22, 2012, 11:40:01 PM

Quote from: FirstAscent on December 22, 2012, 10:24:45 PM

Quote from: Rassah on December 22, 2012, 04:04:28 PM

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I see no similarity to the US' f**ked-up attitude. Grin

Yes, attitude is the key word here, not deadly inanimate objects.

Indeed. It's attitude which creates policies which allow an unhealthy and unnecessary quantity of guns in the US.

And knives.

You don't want restaurants to have knives for meal preparation? What about in your kitchen?

I believe he's referring to the long pointy knives which are solely intended for stabbing and have no place in the kitchen. As far as I know, the UK is the only place that is addressing this problem. We could prevent a lot more deaths and far more injuries by outlawing these vicious instruments.

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RIP Mommy

http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?353040-Is-it-possible-to-kill-effectively-with-chopsticks&s=5b3f5787d9a045e4528ffefb3877308d

My brother owns stainless steel ones, too. Wood, metal, plastic and composites, even flesh are all effective weapons. Let's just watch as government sociopaths hack off everyone's limbs before the inevitable genocide.

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Quote from: FirstAscent on December 22, 2012, 11:42:22 PM

Quote from: Rassah on December 22, 2012, 11:40:01 PM

Quote from: FirstAscent on December 22, 2012, 10:24:45 PM

Quote from: Rassah on December 22, 2012, 04:04:28 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

I see no similarity to the US' f**ked-up attitude. Grin

Yes, attitude is the key word here, not deadly inanimate objects.

Indeed. It's attitude which creates policies which allow an unhealthy and unnecessary quantity of guns in the US.

And knives.

You don't want restaurants to have knives for meal preparation? What about in your kitchen?

Chopsticks.

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Quote from: Rassah on December 22, 2012, 11:40:01 PM

Quote from: FirstAscent on December 22, 2012, 10:24:45 PM

Quote from: Rassah on December 22, 2012, 04:04:28 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

I see no similarity to the US' f**ked-up attitude. Grin

Yes, attitude is the key word here, not deadly inanimate objects.

Indeed. It's attitude which creates policies which allow an unhealthy and unnecessary quantity of guns in the US.

And knives.

You don't want restaurants to have knives for meal preparation? What about in your kitchen?

Rassah

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Quote from: FirstAscent on December 22, 2012, 10:24:45 PM

Quote from: Rassah on December 22, 2012, 04:04:28 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

I see no similarity to the US' f**ked-up attitude. Grin

Yes, attitude is the key word here, not deadly inanimate objects.

Indeed. It's attitude which creates policies which allow an unhealthy and unnecessary quantity of guns in the US.

And knives.

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Quote from: Rassah on December 22, 2012, 04:04:28 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

I see no similarity to the US' f**ked-up attitude. Grin

Yes, attitude is the key word here, not deadly inanimate objects.

Indeed. It's attitude which creates policies which allow an unhealthy and unnecessary quantity of guns in the US.

Rassah

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I see no similarity to the US' f**ked-up attitude. Grin

Yes, attitude is the key word here, not deadly inanimate objects.

Rassah

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I'll just leave this here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Switzerland

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Quote from: myrkul on December 17, 2012, 02:04:48 PM

In 2010, Automobile accidents claimed 32,885 lives. Is being able to travel at 70 miles per hour worth 32,000 lives per year?

That is a good question. Automobiles impose costs on society and therefore should be taxed at a punitive rate to discourage excessive use. Here in Singapore the costs of purchasing a Honda Civic are in the neighborhood of USD$150,000. Part of this is tax. All cars are taxed at 200%. There is also purchase of entitlement to own an automobile (~$30,000). There is also purchase of the entitlement to drive which is about $20,000 per year if you want to be able to drive during peak hours (much cheaper for an off peak license).

These are excellent moves. Cars cause external harm and therefore call for punitive taxation.

Guns should also be heavily taxed (e.g. there is one paper which suggests that $600/gun is an appropriate tax rate).

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RIP Mommy

Even if you could prove anything you claim, the criminals' utopias achieved outside of the U.S. (and even some in the U.S.) by "gun control" (making sure only criminals, and many minutes-away cops have the most effective tool for self-defense) cannot be justified by having allegedly lower murder rates (especially if government criminals redefine justifiable homicide in defense of innocents as "murder", and summary execution as "suicide").

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This is such a non-issue to discuss, I mean the proof speaks for itself.
Lots of countries that are significantly poorer than the USA have lower murder rates precisely because they control guns. And no, that does not automatically turn the country into a dictatorship.

If Americans WANT to live in a country with the kind of murder and massacre rates that you have, just because you enjoy the idea of carrying a weapon yourself, well I guess it's your prerogative. But to argue that this is "safer" is ridiculous. There is no proof to support that and plenty to support the opposite.

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Quote from: FirstAscent on December 19, 2012, 05:39:39 PM

Quote from: Inaba on December 19, 2012, 05:34:08 PM

I'm just curious as to where and how you acquired your view on life.

But anyway:

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Cars do require certain attributes to be legal, such as meeting safety regulations. Also, traffic laws, including speed limits are indeed laws which put limits on behavior regarding the use of cars. How about behavior laws for guns, such as when and where you may use one, have one on your person, how many bullets you can shoot, etc. Remember, not only is your behavior with cars limited on the roadways, but it is also restricted to roadways. Last time I checked, nobody is going to approve of you driving your car through a playground, a park, a department store, or a movie theater.

You're in luck, those laws already exist with respect to guns... Same as cars. In fact, it's a lot harder to get a hold of a gun than it is to get a hold of a car, typically speaking. You can kill just as many if not more people faster with a car, too.

It's a lot easier to hide a gun than a car. And cars are useful on a daily basis. Sorry, but the car/gun analogy is so tenuously weak, that it isn't worth discussing.

Regarding my views: outside of this forum, they're pretty mainstream. Hang out with some different people for a change and you might discover this yourself.

With regards to your views, I obviously can't speak to what you're like outside the forums... but I can almost guarantee I have met and befriended a far more diverse set of people than you have, which is what has formed my views. I have seen the poverty and death oppression brings, I have lived in it and with it, spoken to and lived with the people it has affected most. The views you've espoused on the forums are unfortunately the views of someone who has had little exposure to the world outside of the United States and parts of western Europe. Travel to other parts of the world, especially the third world and your views on a great many things you are espousing here will change dramatically and quickly. It's unfortunate, but most of the world does not live as comfortably and safely as the US does... but most US citizens never see or experience what life outside the developed Western world is like.

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Quote from: malevolent on December 19, 2012, 05:44:47 PM

Most people are lemmings hence so few of them lead meaningful lives or achieve anything.

Feel free to post some charts and graphs that correlate meaningful life to gun ownership. For that matter, feel free to post some charts and graphs that correlate life expectancy with gun ownership.

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