Topic: 25th Amendment after Trump supporters riot in the Capital - page 4. (Read 1040 times)

Trumplings don't need MSM. As long as OAN is not kicked off cable they'll be fine. If Trump goes to prison it will just add martyrdom points for him. AFAIK one can run for president while being incarcerated. Campaigning might be problematic but maybe he can hold rallies through a chainlink fence.

DoI really want to show you jokers this link?

Listen to the audio video here - https://www.brighteon.com/7255f5d8-eea8-4067-8c8c-5cdb3b942d03

But you can read a bit about it here - https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-14-situation-update-jan-14th-2021-an-astonishing-theory-fema-and-the-us-military-will-save-america-at-its-final-hour.html#

With the storming of the capital and possible pile of sealed indictments waiting for Trump to no longer be president I think there's a very real chance that Trumps days may be pretty much over.  There will always be his most loyal followers and the NY Post, but he lost all social media platforms last week and next week he loses the press corp and the biggest platform there is.  I also expect the MSM to go out of their way to not cover him and get shit when they do (and obviously shit when they don't from the muhThEMeDiA crowd).

Totally agree with this. Trump still holds a massive amount of support within the party and as time goes on people will forget that the event happened due to news reporting / other republicans saying that Trumps role in this entire thing was minimal.

Really depends on how much time Trump supporters spend on Fox, Newsmax, OAN following the Capitol riots. Cause these networks will do a pretty good job of spinning the story.

Not sure who is the new Trump in the party as well. Maybe someone like DeSantis could emerge on the national stage? Cotton?

Republicans like Jim Jordan are already starting to whitewash the whole thing, along the lines that Trump never told these people to be violent, but the election was still fraudulent, and now on top of all this he's a martyr because Twitter et al banned him. And yes, events like these fade in public memory whereas "judges! abortions! Mexicans!" will remain very important to the base. The only thing that can dethrone Trump is perhaps another Trump-like character rising through the ranks, not sure who that could be though.

Happy you were able to figure out what I was saying even though I said ‘lot’ instead of ‘lost’ a lot of supporters.

6% shift though, that’s something. Most of his approval rating came from die hard people, so seeing a shift like that is really something. Important to see if that’s just short term shock in regards to the Capitol, or if these people will genuinely not support Trump in the long term. Impossible for us to see now though.

I would not trust the polling of approval ratings. The polls were far off in the 2020 election, and I have no reason to believe their accuracy has since improved.

Trump is not going to be tried while he is in office, and if he remains banned on social media, his grip on his base is going to deteriorate. There are plenty of Republican Senators who will not have to win a primary for 4-6 years, by the time which Trump will long be forgotten.

The Trump party would be middle of the road. Trump is more of a 1990s Democrat than a Republican. His support is largely from the industrial workers that used to be Democrat until the Democratic Party abandoned them.

What are Trump's positions: Bring the industrial base back home; don't be involved in foreign intervention; and secure the borders.

His position does not attract the global capitalist aspect of either the Democratic or Republican Party.

Kind of...

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/13/trump-approval-rating-poll-458602


Not that much off the ~40% he's usually at, is it?


There you go. His base is still there and it's still holding the GOP hostage. This is basically a death sentence (hopefully not literally; just losing the primaries) for the political career of almost any GOP senator who considers voting to convict Trump in the impeachment trial.

Totally has lot a lot of supporters by the way that he acted. There’s no real way to defend the actions of the President leading up to the Capitol riot because he really was the main reason that these people thought the election was stolen from him. There’s no merit to support all of these crazy claims about the voting systems, fake ballots, mail in fraud, and so on and so forth.

Donald Trump has now been impeached (again) by the House and there is a chance that he is found guilty by the Senate. i think this all highly depends on the timing of Dems sending it to the Senate. If they send it now / in the first few days of the Biden admin when Dems have control of the Senate then I think the liklihood is high as this is still news.

Though if this is sent 100 days from now or some shit like that, then there’s a pretty low chance of passing as it gives the GOP the out of ‘well this is already done and he is so far out of the Presidency, why are we even doing this’ — Plus people won’t really care at this point.

Since Congress and SCOTUS refused to hear the accusations of election fraud that Trump wanted to present evidence of, what is Trump supposed to do? Was he simply lying about the election fraud? He is being censored on various standard media platforms (twitter, facebook, others). Such a thing has never been done before to a president. In the past, everybody wanted to hear what a president had to say, good or bad.

The point of a lost election isn't a problem if Trump is mistaken, and he really lost the election. To me it looks like an attempt to hide the truth that Trump is trying to project, that he won, and few people in media want to show it. Why not let the info out into the open, since appearances by the crowds of supporters seem to show that there are loads of Trump fans, way beyond the few that Biden could muster?

If Trump lost supporters, it's because they don't understand that the media is projecting a biased and wrong view of things that really went on.


If Trump is making claims that seem so bizarre that they couldn't be supported by fact, where is he supposed to show the fact of his claims if they absolutely ARE supported by fact? SCOTUS seems to have cut him off. Congress won't take him seriously even though Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani have spoken about loads of things that were fraudulent in the election. Powell and Giuliani don't talk like this if they don't have evidence or proof. But Trump's idea was to show the proof through Congressional hearings, which Congress wouldn't allow. Now, the media is cutting Trump off so that he can't even show the proof to the people directly.

It looks like the people love Trump, but the Congress and SCOTUS simply don't. SCOTUS has an excuse... can't hear, because of the kind of law they are, and the kind of law Election Law is. It's the kind where there have to be literal live people claiming personal harm or damage, against somebody who personally oversaw the election, or did the counting of the votes. But Congress is different. Congress isn't hearing because they don't like Trump's policies... because Trump might be causing them to lose money through his actions, even though his actions benefit the people of the USA, and the people know it.


Pelosi asking the military to watch out for Trump like he is crazy or something, is part of the show that she HAS to put on. If she doesn't get Trump out of the way, she and loads of others will go down under the avalanche of evidence Trump has regarding the thing they are doing against the country. She has to try everything that she can. If she fails, she is going down big time... along with many others who are using their position in government for making money, with a who-cares-if-it-hurts-American-people attitude.

Portions of the military are divided over Trump. Some love him, and some hate him. Others are simply following orders.


If Trump truly has proof of big-time election fraud, and if he doesn't act directly in some way within the next ten days, what will anybody do if he doesn't leave office on the 20th? Right now he is showing his proof to military leaders in detail, so that they can see that he won the election, and that there should at least be a formal Congressional investigation in detail... an investigation that is broadcast live to the whole country.

We don't see this happening, because Trump has been cut off from the various media platforms. Why do they cut him off? Because if his proof comes out into the open, many media leaders will be taken down because of their role in the election fraud. It's a good thing that they can't cut him off from showing proof to the military. Pelosi's contacting the military about Trump will act against her when the military see's Trump's proof.

I think Trump lost a lot of his supporters by the way he acted since the election, especially in the rally on the 6th. Trump failed to condemn the rioting, and he should have done that. I think Trump was trying to delegitimize Biden's presidency, similar to how his presidency was delegitimized, and he ended up going too far.

Biden appears to be appointing a lot of extremists to his cabinet, and a lot of extremist proposals are being pushed by the left. This is counter to the centrist that Biden presented himself as during the election. I would expect voters to reject this in 2022, and in the 2024 presidential election.

This is very well possible, and unfortunate. He has been making bizarre claims privately (such as in the leaked call to the GA secretary of state) that are unsupported by fact.
Pelosi recently had a call with the military leaders, asking them to not follow Trump's orders if he were to launch military action, or order a nuclear bomb launched. It is unclear as to what their response was, or how the military would actually respond to Trump's orders.
The WSJ editial board called for Trump to resign, and I agree this would be best for our country.

Check the site for links and emphasis.


Pence praises Capitol police after they shot unarmed woman dead during unarmed protest

Trump is very dangerous and very likely is starting to feel cornered.

He came out and said he is quitting and is going to help insure a peaceful transition for Biden.

Frankly I think Trump will pull a rabbit 🐇 out of his hat and bust a solid move against Biden.

I feel Trump planned all of this and started with this plan back in 2016 when he said Hillary had millions of fake votes.  He always pushed that elections 🗳 are fixed. So his people now believe and will always believe this election was fixed.

This is all so very sad. so sad 😭.

Shouldn't be too hard to figure it out, what with all those selfies plastered on various tubetwitgrams.

trump loves to delegate to avoid direct responsibility, he makes calls/orders out to other people to do things for him.
though delegating is a managerial skill it also as a manager comes with the responsibility of taking liability for those you order around. but he does not understand/recognise responsibility or liability

he got giuliani to make the 'fight' speach
he got his loyal trumpette supporters to walk to capital hill

but when it goes bad he announces that he had no association with those orders/people and cuts off any ties with them. blaming them for their actions and saying they have to pay the consequences
just like when he ordered to liberate states last summer.

i dont think trump is looking to re-apply in 2024. i think he is probably going to try to promote ivanka and kushner as an elect in 2024. hoping they will behind the scenes be loyal to daddy trump and follow his orders

Watching the Trump administration is one of the weirdest things that I’ve seen. PR for them is horrible, and it never really works too properly.

Chad Wolfe, the acting DHS secretary (who was actually recently classified as unlawful in his position), put out a statement saying that  Trump should strongly condemn the Capitol violence. Shortly after this the Trump admin announced they withdrew his nomination to lead DHS.

Not really sure if it matters given the fact that he’ll be losing his post very shortly anyway, but still something that matters.

They still need the votes of Trump's supporters.

Another possibility is... He will start his own party. We would get to see how strong the Reps are without Trump and how strong Trump is without the reps. *Assuming that Trump will be a free man by the next elections.

After Giuliani's call to the senator and Trump's call to the Georgia Secretary of State, I'm thinking that Trump might seriously be having a mental breakdown. He's a self-centered narcissist; this alone isn't so bad, and many such people are able to do good things. However, when these people go truly nuts, you can get things like Jonestown. Trump is old, he just had COVID a couple months ago, he's had a traumatic 4 years, and failing so publicly and completely challenges his whole worldview, so a mental breakdown doesn't seem that unlikely. If so, he may literally be unable to comprehend that he's actually lost; he may really think that the election was stolen from him through some conspiracy. There's a risk then that if Israel and Saudi Arabia prod him in the right way, they could get him to think that Iran was behind it, and he could order a strike on them. Or even worse, he could get it into his head that China is behind it, and order a nuclear strike against a nuclear power. These are pretty unlikely, but I would feel better if Trump was 25thed. It's difficult to pull off, though, so I doubt it'll happen.

I think that "teflon Don" really did go too far this time. He was clearly stoking the flames before and during the riot, even if he came just shy of actively supporting them. All of the Republican old guard are abandoning him. They did the same thing after the Access Hollywood tape, but this looks more widespread and final. IMO he won't be able to win a 2024 primary, and his brand will become somewhat tainted in the Republican party.