Topic: 2dice.io - new design - new impressions! Play for free, test your luck (Read 1863 times)

speaking about the investment bankroll , in your example if someone loses 100 bucks casino gets its % straight after the bet usually
EV of the bet is taken into account and then the % they set for servicing bankroll  is going to the site owner , i.e. 100$ loss expected value = 1$
1$ then is multiplied by the % the casino takes for managing bankroll , lets say its 35%
0.35$ goes to the owners , then the bet result is resolved and the bankroll gets the result of the bet win or lose , if the bet loses the investors get 1$ divided across them
according to their bankroll share
one more thing , usually all of the owners invest their money into bankroll too , you won't play at a dice that has only 0.02 btc bankroll, right?
and at first there won't be a que of investors , so you as an owner will HAVE to invest and risk
but investment bankrolls are beneficial for all of the parties involved : for the owners it allows to lessen the risks of getting bankrupt and close the site
for investors its an almost guaranteed longterm income , for gamblers its a sign of stability and increased max bet/ max win figures
if a site is trusted and good , investment model is the way to go

I guess investment to bankroll is the topic here, not dividends or something. There are tons of casinos that open the investment options and allow people to be the bankroll themselves and then use that money to pay the winners and then if gamblers lose take a commission out of it and make the investors take the rest.

So, if someone loses 100 bucks, casino gets couple bucks and gives the rest to investors as profit, if a person wins 100 bucks casino loses nothing but investors pay for that. It allows gamblers to gamble more because bankroll is usually bigger and it allows casinos to be able to spend their money on other stuff to get bigger and bigger instead of using their money as a bankroll for the casino. It is actually quite great for all parties involved.

I do not think that it is what you thought, what he meant is nowadays many sites offer investment programs but not because the dividends but you be part of their bankroll so whether the site is winning you will get some money in return, the same thing when site losing you will lose part of your money as well

But to think that they will make some investment that paying dividends I think it still possible to do as long as there are players willingly to invest and they think it is worth then it might work. You can see some other sites are doing this too

This is why it's extremely difficult for any new gambling site to ever become big in the crypto industry. Most new gambling sites are always almost dice which people are sick of. And even if there is a new and unique idea such as 2dice the other issues becomes lack of capital.

There are 2 ways in which a site lacks in capital.

First one is they don't have enough for the bankroll. This is an issue because if a site has 0 BTC in its house wallet and the site accepts deposits from gamblers and hopes to use that money to pay other winnings, it will be a solvency issue if there are too many winners and they all try to withdraw. This is very common with most new sites. Hence why many people demand some form of proof of funds.

Second is when they have bankroll capital but don't have money for promotions such as ads and signature campaign. This is also important because for a casino to survive it needs gamblers.

It is not good to offer regular interest such as monthly/annual profit, the best investment on a gambling site is bankroll investment like what is being offered by some sites like bitvest, yolodice (stopped), crypto-games, etc. This kind of investment does not give any guarantee profit, so there are two possibilities outcomes whether investors will gain profit or lose the invested money depends on the casino's profit.

Earlier, he said he is not interested in hiring a promotion specialist. He is interested in partnership, someone work as a team member. Problem with hiring someone is- No one guarantee output, in fact, it's not even possible. However, some people including me (Since I was sig campaign manager for 2dice) have suggested some features, strategy which he is not much interested probably.
I had a lot of chat with him, what I understood if he sells the site in bitcointalk, he will certainly not go with scammer. He will hand it out to an honest man, at least he will try that.

There was several gambling sites who offering investment option to the people and they too offering profit share on particular percentages which is usually monthly profit or annual profit so people can earn money instead of gambling through those sites so it's not impossible to combine between both of them and maybe this is can be good solution for gambling sites to increase their bankroll

You mean 2dice should have an investment scheme where we deposit funds to them and they pay us regular interest or dividend. I think you should not mix the gambling site with the investment site. Both of them are different in nature.
Personally i do not like investments sites. They are better suited to those who like to get passive income.

the site looks interesting, very fast response in my browser. but there is something I want to ask, just make sure.

whether the developer of this site has no plans in the future to add investment features because it seems like an investment feature is a great way to get the finances of business healthy.

Public or private, you wouldnt able to know on where do the old owner find out the new owner.Question is- would he tend to tell us about that for sake of transparency?

We cant even point out or conclude that 2dice is already trustable yet its just new and been operation for how many months but at least we are seeing that they are
performing normally but sadly they decide to sell out their site.

I don't think what virasog meant it's better to sell it by privately, since the new owner would be turned to bad and scam people's money. So he is saying its better to sell it publicly, you and everyone will know who's the new admin/owner.  There are already ton of things happened even with well trusted member, so it doesn't guarantee the site will be safe either

Any new sites has unclear future no matter it is being sold to new owner or not. Even if the recent owner keeps the site (not selling it), do you think it has clear future? We do not know the future of any sites, even a trusted site can turn into something worst. We have seen some example of trusted crypto related sites that turn into scam eventually. Changing ownership does not mean it will be bad, it depends on the owner to treat the users. As users, we just need to be careful in anything we are going to do in this online gambling industry.

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My question to 2dice owner, how if there will be no one buy the site after so long time? Do you have deadline of the sale? It should be clear here, so your recent players wont be worry to continue playing on your site. Or probably it is better to put the site down while it is on sale then you can decide what to do if there is no one willing to buy your site. I myself suggest you to cancel the sale and you continue your own project. Frankly speaking, your reason to sell it does not make senses for me because you can hire promotion specialist, you can hire someone from this forum who have good experiences and knowledge on how to promote a gambling site.


Logically if you are saying that selling it privately is better and it is better if the site is sold privately so players do not need to know who are the new owners, am I right? If so, then why do you afraid of the possibility of scammer buy this site to scam people funds while you do not even want to know about the new owner? Basically there is no big difference between selling it privately or publicly as we wont know the real person who buy it unless the one who buy the site is a well known trusted person in this forum. Scam may happen anytime in this online world, people should not affraid about it but people should be ready to avoid of getting scammed.

Exactly, the site is for a public sale. Everyone knows it is a much trusted site than a brand new gambling site. What if a scammer with an evil mind purchase this site and then scam people funds in few months ?

Those who agree with public selling of the website and talk about transparency are right. But the main problem is not with transparency.
Any kind of doubt and uncertainity about the future of a crypto-related website causes users to leave the website. Now the future of 2dice is completely unclear. This makes the website untrusted to gamblers. Why should people play in 2dice while the future is unclear and there are many other websites?

I think we should take this in a positive sense.  Transparency is one thing which is appreciated by everyone and I would just like to appreciate the confidence of the two 2dice.io that they are willing to do everything transparent in front of the public.
I do hope that they will get good new owners and two dice will become one of the major site of gambling in future.

Actually if the site is good as is 2dice, then people do not want that the site change the owners and the management as they are satisfied with their team and their efforts.

On the other hand if the site is not very reputable then selling and announcing it publicly that the site will be sold to some other person may bring benefits in the long term.

I think in both  the cases private selling is much much better so that the end users are not disturbed or force to think that their owner/management is changing at the back end

Yeps, there is no guarantee on that business.
However, business owners must have risk management. As long as businesses have strong purpose, they will survive. And they will get sponsorship or investor for their business

Just an example, freebitco.in... this is the oldest faucet web that I ever saw and played, but this platform still exists till nowadays.
I think, "freebitco.in" is aimed for bitcoin-newbie as the user.

So, what your target and purposes for your platform? Money, visitors or loyal user?

you are absolutely right - this is a business in which there can be no guarantees.

No one would deal on such set-up knowing that the site doesnt have any guarantees if it would generate income or not.So its just normal for these specialist to demand
payment upfront with either bitcoin and other top valuable alts.No worker/marketeer would give out guarantees of success or outcome out of their work and as a business owner
this is part of the risk that you should able to take.You are making a business here and its always accompanied neither success or failure.

Searching for a specialist does not bring results. the budgets requested are huge. I can safely offer the specialist revenue sharing - but everyone wants to pay in advance and of course without guarantees of the results of the promotion company)))
but if there is an enthusiast, I will gladly cooperate.